What is the DBS canon? Anime, manga or both?

[DragonSkyX]

Hey Guys! Is everything fine with you?

I think this is asked here many times, but i dont found on forum. What is canon on Dragon ball Super. Many ppl say the only events on manga are canon, and anothers tell that is reverse, only events on anime is canon. Some guys says that we need fusion the events that happened on Manga and anime...

But, for you guys, what is really canon on Dragon Ball Super?

[Gafonso6]

For me it's the anime since it's the one I'm following, but if you really want the one and only canon I guess it's the transcripts Toriyama gives to Toei and Toyotaro since the anime and the manga are just two different paths to achieve the same thing, from the differences I've seen between the Anime and the Manga, the anime is my canon.

[Saikyo no Senshi]

I don't know what canon is. I don't care what canon is. I like what I like and I don't like what I don't like. I enjoy parts of both the manga and anime for its different approaches. The word canon needs to die.

[ChronoTwigger]

As Dragon Ball has become an open franchise, and other people can work on it with their own ideas, CANON it's a very debatable term.
To me, everything published by right owners is canon.
To find a sense in the mess, i personally assume as "canon" the CHARACTERS, not the plots.
Characters can be used in any media, with apparently contradictions.
So, for example, CABBA is canon, while in games, manga, videogames and the anime have different skill, potential and lines.
Main plot points are character background retcon or indepths, not story ones.

[Boo Machine]

Canon has become such a mixed bag with this franchise, that I feel it barely matters anymore. At the very least where the anime and manga is concerned. I say just enjoy which ever and don't be a jerk of someone likes the other.

[DragonSkyX]

Understood Guys! I only asked, because in every damm discussion that I'm enter about Power Levels, Kaioken or something like else, someone tell that this isn't canon, or this isn't canon... Is something boring... I think this forum is really better than the another ones about Dragon Ball.


Thanks

[Jinzoningen MULE]

There is no defined canon, it's pretty much whatever you want it to be at this point. Although for the sake of continuity discussion, it's probably best to stick to the manga and Super anime.

[Grimlock]

In regards to Dragon Ball Super, Toriyama's script is canon. Everything else is just a version of whom is adapting that script.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

In regards to Dragon Ball Super, Toriyama's script is canon. Everything else is just a version from whom is adaptating that script.

That standard is absolutely useless though. By that metric, the best we can do is see where the manga and anime are similar, and deduce vague versions of events from that. It's better to side with an actual product rather than some vague, behind the scenes portion of the scripting process.

[emperior]

Super would be 100% canon only if Toriyama provided more detailed scripts and scenarios. As of now, the manga is diverging too much from the anime, yet Toyotaro says his manga is as close as possible to Toriyama script. This only means Toriyama is too lazy to write something more detailed even though his stories and characters are still awesome. I am crossing my fingers for the next arc to finally be detailed and on par with the original manga stories. Even though I'm pretty sure that with just a tiny bit more attention to details and story, the Future Trunks arc could have surpassed any story from DBZ

[TheMikado]

GT is canon. Nothing else.

[Lord Beerus]

It really comes down to personal preference at this stage. What we know is that the anime and manga both take the plot points provided Toriyama's baseline overall plot of any given major arc and then fills in the blanks. But we really don't know the extent of how much detail Toriyama puts in his plot outline for the show. And given that Toyotaro and the Toei writing staff often take liberties in regards to how they get from one plot point to another, it's very difficult to tell just exactly which medium is more faithful the original source material Toriyama has provided.

[DragonSkyX]

I'm really hope that SSB Kaioken 10X will be considered canon for Toriyama...

[Bulma's Foot Masseur]

The manga is a promotion for the anime. The anime will be what stays relevant for future properties, whether's it more anime or more manga written by different people.

yet Toyotaro says his manga is as close as possible to Toriyama script.

If Toyotaro hasn't grasped the concept of Goku retaining Super Saiyan God's strength after the BoG movie and Toriyama's interviews on the subject, then I say he was off to a pretty bad start.

I mean, the anime isn't 100% consistent on it either, but that was the whole point of Goku being more prodigious than the last Super Saiyan God. Goku overcame the weakness that Beerus was hoping to exploit and that's the main reason Beerus spared him.

[sintzu]

You could say the anime is canon to the DB and Kai anime while the last 2 movies, The 2008 OVA and Super's manga starting from the 5th chapter are canon to Toriyama's manga.

[ChiefWamsutta]

I go by this canon:

Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Kai, Dragon Ball Super, and History of Trunks.

It is whatever you want, really. Some people like to throw in some movies, or certain filler scenes.

[Bullza]

I don't know it's all so confusing now because you have three different versions of the same story but they're all different enough that they're separate continuities.

When it comes to the Battle of Gods and Resurrection F stories then the movies are definitely the most canon to the original manga being written by Toriyama himself.

The Dragon Ball Super anime and manga versions are just retelling that story.

The manga seems as though it's acting as a continuation of the original manga same as the movies. The anime is definitely a continuation of the Dragon Ball Kai anime what with having Ginyu, Gregory and Mr Satan's apprentices.

When it comes to the Universe 6 and Future Trunks saga then it's the outline that's canon. The anime and manga are just adaptating it their own way. Neither is more canon.

Though really in the grand scale of things the anime will obviously take precedence over the manga moving forward because millions upon millions of people will watch and be familiar with the anime compared to maybe tens of thousands who will read the manga.

If they ever make a game that covers the events of Super it'll be similar to the anime and not the manga.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

I'm really hope that SSB Kaioken 10X will be considered canon for Toriyama...

Why do you care? Toriyama's opinions have nothing to do with the product. If you like it, that's legitimate enough. I guess I don't get why people need someone else's validation to like something.

[Nejishiki]

If Toyotaro hasn't grasped the concept of Goku retaining Super Saiyan God's strength after the BoG movie and Toriyama's interviews on the subject, then I say he was off to a pretty bad start.

Toyotaro's manga continuity hasn't failed its in-universe logic in regard to Super Saiyan God. Goku did not become Super Saiyan against Beerus in his story. These details are exclusive to Battle of Gods & Dragon Ball Super's anime continuity. I wouldn't hold it against him for portraying his own unique story. He's not obligated to craft a 1:1 adaption and he's encouraged to handle Dragon Ball Super his way. That's not a fair statement to claim he's off to a bad start when his usage of the transformation is consistent within the establishments of its own realm.

Goku overcame the weakness that Beerus was hoping to exploit and that's the main reason Beerus spared him.

The continuities differ here, too. In Dragon Ball Super's anime continuity, Beerus almost regrets his decision to spar against the Super Saiyan God. Beerus doesn't reflect these feelings in the Battle of Gods film nor Dragon Ball Super's manga continuity. Instead, he commends Goku and expresses he's having fun, respectively. It's vital to mind that there are three, separate interpretations of Beerus' search for the Super Saiyan God.

The anime is definitely a continuation of the Dragon Ball Kai anime what with having Ginyu, Gregory and Mr Satan's apprentices.

When it comes to the Universe 6 and Future Trunks saga then it's the outline that's canon. The anime and manga are just adaptating it their own way. Neither is more canon.

That isn't necessarily the case, at least not "definitely". Dragon Ball Super was produced independently of Dragon Ball Kai. The powers that be undoubtedly took advantage of their previous Dragon Ball series wrapping its story up alongside Resurrection F sparking increased interest in producing a new Dragon Ball series (unlike with their previous experiment). However, it's not as if the final chapters of Dragon Ball Kai were initially considered for the Dragon Ball Super project. The placement of events were like lightning in a bottle, I'd say. While there's no defined canon, it's been made apparent that Dragon Ball Super's anime is the main product while its manga is a promotional product.

[Gog]

There is no stated canon, except for all the fan works that have nothing to do with Toei, and or Akira Toriyama. Those I could say at the very least can go down the non canon proverbial hole