Beerus' Power Was Causing The Universe's Destruction, Not Goku's

[theherodjl]

How exactly is it that SSJG Goku & suppressed Beerus can endanger the universe just from physical blows alone yet various fighters with a higher degree of power, performing more effective attacks towards causing celestial annihilation such as massive Ki blasts, fail to jump the shark as much as the first major battle of Dragonball Super?
My guess is this, Beerus being the catty God that he is channeled his own unique power of destruction outwards when fighting Goku and the clashing blows splashed said power all around the universe thus causing massive instability. If we look at Beerus vs Champa, either of their petty squabbles caused the nearby vincinity to become unstable in a way that not even SSJB Vegetto & Merged Zamasu could replicate, Beerus even erased a Zamasu from existence just by touching him when Goku would need a powerful Ki blast to make such a conclusion so.
With no real clarification by either Toei or Toyotaro towards the consistency of feats in Dragonball Super, I'm willing to believe Hakaishin power would explain universal destruction over something uninteresting as "strong guys with a lot of Ki make the universe go boom".
Yes? No? Maybe?

[Gog]

How exactly is it that SSJG Goku & suppressed Beerus can endanger the universe just from physical blows alone yet various fighters with a higher degree of power, performing more effective attacks towards causing celestial annihilation such as massive Ki blasts, fail to jump the shark as much as the first major battle of Dragonball Super?
My guess is this, Beerus being the catty God that he is channeled his own unique power of destruction outwards when fighting Goku and the clashing blows splashed said power all around the universe thus causing massive instability. If we look at Beerus vs Champa, either of their petty squabbles caused the nearby vincinity to become unstable in a way that not even SSJB Vegetto & Merged Zamasu could replicate, Beerus even erased a Zamasu from existence just by touching him when Goku would need a powerful Ki blast to make such a conclusion so.
With no real clarification by either Toei or Toyotaro towards the consistency of feats in Dragonball Super, I'm willing to believe Hakaishin power would explain universal destruction over something uninteresting as "strong guys with a lot of Ki make the universe go boom".
Yes? No? Maybe?

Think about it like this.

'God Ki'

[nickzambuto]

Goku learned how to cancel the shockwaves during his fight with Beerus. This was explained very blatantly. That's why they don't happen anymore. I don't understand why so many people missed this scene. Did they just all decide they were tired of reading at the same moment?

[Saiyan007]

Goku learned how to cancel the shockwaves during his fight with Beerus. This was explained very blatantly. That's why they don't happen anymore. I don't understand why so many people missed this scene. Did they just all decide they were tired of reading at the same moment?

THIS TIMES 100000

It seems people only watched a part of episode 12 for the fancy shockwaves and ignore the statements it was literally stated why it stopped happening.

Goku learned how to cancel out the shockwaves.

When the shockwaves stopped happening and Goku and Beerus powered up Goku says Beerus punching power is on a whole nother level meaning those hits are even stronger than those punches that would have destroyed the universe.

Even when Goku was no longer a SSJG meaning Goku had no god ki at the moment.The narrator still said that he and Beerus were hitting each other again and again with the power to destroy the universe.

They can throw around universal energy withoutdestroying the universe.God Ki or not anyone as strong or stronger than SSJG Goku is Universal.

[Nejishiki]

With no real clarification by either Toei or Toyotaro towards the consistency of feats in Dragonball Super, I'm willing to believe Hakaishin power would explain universal destruction over something uninteresting as "strong guys with a lot of Ki make the universe go boom".

While I don't agree with your overall reasoning, I want to take this comment into consideration. This is food for thought, as they say. It's been claimed a Hakaishin shouldn't battle against another Hakaishin or else the universe would be in peril. It's almost like a safeguard, isn't it? What if a pure Super Saiyan God, not the modified version Goku & Vegeta use, shared properties with the Hakaishin? I'm not saying they share strength & abilities, but composition for how their vessels work. I think it would be interesting if the series proposed some sort of condition to discourage these powerful, godly beings from fighting each other. That is, they risk death of themselves alongside the universe if they violently engage. It gives Angels a stronger, additional motivation to make them behave, I think.

[nickzambuto]

With no real clarification by either Toei or Toyotaro towards the consistency of feats in Dragonball Super, I'm willing to believe Hakaishin power would explain universal destruction over something uninteresting as "strong guys with a lot of Ki make the universe go boom".

While I don't agree with your overall reasoning, I want to take this comment into consideration. This is food for thought, as they say. It's been claimed a Hakaishin shouldn't battle against another Hakaishin or else the universe would be in peril. It's almost like a safeguard, isn't it? What if a pure Super Saiyan God, not the modified version Goku & Vegeta use, shared properties with the Hakaishin? I'm not saying they share strength & abilities, but composition for how their vessels work. I think it would be interesting if the series proposed some sort of condition to discourage these powerful, godly beings from fighting each other. That is, they risk death of themselves alongside the universe if they violently engage. It gives Angels a stronger, additional motivation to make them behave, I think.

Goku and Vegeta use a modified Super Saiyan God form?

[Nejishiki]

With no real clarification by either Toei or Toyotaro towards the consistency of feats in Dragonball Super, I'm willing to believe Hakaishin power would explain universal destruction over something uninteresting as "strong guys with a lot of Ki make the universe go boom".

While I don't agree with your overall reasoning, I want to take this comment into consideration. This is food for thought, as they say. It's been claimed a Hakaishin shouldn't battle against another Hakaishin or else the universe would be in peril. It's almost like a safeguard, isn't it? What if a pure Super Saiyan God, not the modified version Goku & Vegeta use, shared properties with the Hakaishin? I'm not saying they share strength & abilities, but composition for how their vessels work. I think it would be interesting if the series proposed some sort of condition to discourage these powerful, godly beings from fighting each other. That is, they risk death of themselves alongside the universe if they violently engage. It gives Angels a stronger, additional motivation to make them behave, I think.

Goku and Vegeta use a modified Super Saiyan God form?

I'm simply using synonyms. I'm aware of Super Saiyan Blue being Super Saiyan with the power of Super Saiyan God. It gets boring describing something the same way all of the time, wouldn't you say? I wasn't banking on that being the takeaway from my brief hypothetical...

[Ki Breaker]

Goku learned how to cancel the shockwaves during his fight with Beerus. This was explained very blatantly. That's why they don't happen anymore. I don't understand why so many people missed this scene. Did they just all decide they were tired of reading at the same moment?

Most probably didn't understand the concept of same magnitude opposite direction forces cancel out and viewed it simply as MOOOOREEE POWWRRRRR

[DBZ Macky]

The way I've always seen that episodes for months now was that Goku does indeed possess power capable of destroying the very universe, but he won't.
Because, apparently he can also nullify the shockwaves generated from the attack.

I have a feeling this was so that the lack of collateral damage in future episodes could be explained and we could also get some cool feats from an otherwise poor retelling.

[Polyphase Avatron]

Is this a way to trying to clear Goku of blame for the damage caused?

[TheUltimateNinja]

Is this a way to trying to clear Goku of blame for the damage caused?

Either way it's not really his fault, there's no way he could immediately gain control of such a huge amount of power and even if he weren't there Beerus' attacks would easily destroy the universe on their own.

[Polyphase Avatron]

Is this a way to trying to clear Goku of blame for the damage caused?

Either way it's not really his fault, there's no way he could immediately gain control of such a huge amount of power and even if he weren't there Beerus' attacks would easily destroy the universe on their own.

If he wasn't there, Beerus would have no one to attack in the first place.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Is this a way to trying to clear Goku of blame for the damage caused?

Either way it's not really his fault, there's no way he could immediately gain control of such a huge amount of power and even if he weren't there Beerus' attacks would easily destroy the universe on their own.

If he wasn't there, Beerus would have no one to attack in the first place.

He'd blow up the earth, and likely the solar system as well. Sure, Goku ended up taking out some planets but most of them were likely uninhabited.

[Polyphase Avatron]

Either way it's not really his fault, there's no way he could immediately gain control of such a huge amount of power and even if he weren't there Beerus' attacks would easily destroy the universe on their own.

If he wasn't there, Beerus would have no one to attack in the first place.

He'd blow up the earth, and likely the solar system as well. Sure, Goku ended up taking out some planets but most of them were likely uninhabited.

There's no real reason for him to do anything more than destroy the Earth as he did to those other planets he visited in the first few episodes. He might even only have blown up half of it.

[TheUltimateNinja]

If he wasn't there, Beerus would have no one to attack in the first place.

He'd blow up the earth, and likely the solar system as well. Sure, Goku ended up taking out some planets but most of them were likely uninhabited.

There's no real reason for him to do anything more than destroy the Earth as he did to those other planets he visited in the first few episodes. He might even only have blown up half of it.

Whis said if Beerus got pissed off he'd destroy the solar system, and no pudding + no SSGod would certainly put him over the edge.

Anyway, it doesn't even matter if he only destroys half the planet, all plant & animal life and even 99% of microorganisms would be taken out since the earth would spin out of orbit and collapse on itself.

[Polyphase Avatron]

He'd blow up the earth, and likely the solar system as well. Sure, Goku ended up taking out some planets but most of them were likely uninhabited.

There's no real reason for him to do anything more than destroy the Earth as he did to those other planets he visited in the first few episodes. He might even only have blown up half of it.

Whis said if Beerus got pissed off he'd destroy the solar system, and no pudding + no SSGod would certainly put him over the edge.

Anyway, it doesn't even matter if he only destroys half the planet, all plant & animal life and even 99% of microorganisms would be taken out since the earth would spin out of orbit and collapse on itself.

But still there would be less death than what happened, with planets all over the universe destroyed.

[Tsufuru]

the same reason why nappa blew up a city casualy and yet nothing even close to it when he was serios.

choose one.
1. ki control
2. author not giving a damn.
if its not any of those than toriyama literally retconned every characters power in every fight in the manga which is the most stupid thing to think.

in beerus vs goku case it was explained why and kibitoshin literally asked why they dont make the shockwaves anymore.

[TheUltimateNinja]

There's no real reason for him to do anything more than destroy the Earth as he did to those other planets he visited in the first few episodes. He might even only have blown up half of it.

Whis said if Beerus got pissed off he'd destroy the solar system, and no pudding + no SSGod would certainly put him over the edge.

Anyway, it doesn't even matter if he only destroys half the planet, all plant & animal life and even 99% of microorganisms would be taken out since the earth would spin out of orbit and collapse on itself.

But still there would be less death than what happened, with planets all over the universe destroyed.

DB doesn't really follow real life very much, but given how incredibly rare life is even if they took out billions of planets they likely didn't kill anything.

[Polyphase Avatron]

in beerus vs goku case it was explained why and kibitoshin literally asked why they dont make the shockwaves anymore.

But he didn't really give an answer to that

[TheUltimateNinja]

in beerus vs goku case it was explained why and kibitoshin literally asked why they dont make the shockwaves anymore.

But he didn't really give an answer to that

Goku learned to control his power and cancel the shockwaves.