Weaker competitors in the tournament

[Polyphase Avatron]

Since we have characters like Roshi, Krillin, Tenshinhan, etc. participating in the tournament, do you think they will be matches against opponents on their level so they can get a chance to shine? Maybe Krillin faces off against someone only slightly stronger than him and has a really good fight, winning via skill and strategy? I'd like to see that.

[Boo Machine]

I would think that not all of the other fighters are god level. I'm sure there are a few "normal" fighters in the mix aside from the humans, but probably have some gimmick, skill, or exploitable weakness, like Magetta's inability to take harsh words.

[Freeza9000]

My guess is that each universe is gonna have their own respective fodders and god tier characters.

[Hakaishin Saitama]

Some universes probably won't even have god-tier fighters. Let's not forget that it was only within the last few years we got our first god tier characters in U7 (Goku and Vegeta), and only a short time before that Freeza was the most powerful being in U7 and he's now considered a complete weakling (disregarding his second return). Also, aside from Hit, the entire U6 team was basically a joke to Vegeta and Goku.

Besides, I hope that Beerus and Whis give the earthlings a taste of the training Goku and Vegeta have received. If given any time to train people up I have no doubt that Beerus would do this to save his own and U7's skin.

[nickzambuto]

I really don't see a weak character defeating another weak character as a "moment to shine." If Krillin has an intense battle with somebody slightly stronger than himself and manages to come out on top against all odds... it would be entirely meaningless. Surely Goku could have taken .00000001 microseconds out of his own battle to touch that fighter making him explode, and avoid any struggle at all.

I would much rather see the weak fighters teaming up, and using their willpower and techniques to strategically defeat somebody who is actually something worth talking about. At least a Majin Boo level fighter. It would be nice to see the Kienzan actually fulfill its intended purposes and chop a super-strong guy right in half for once.

[Lujin_16]

This tournament will have 2 vs 2 battles so team work plays a important role they will fight much better than 1vs1 and of course a
longer fight

[namekiansaiyan]

No one is weak on Team Universe 7 and they will surprise most of you lot being so negative.

[Simere]

I really don't see a weak character defeating another weak character as a "moment to shine." If Krillin has an intense battle with somebody slightly stronger than himself and manages to come out on top against all odds... it would be entirely meaningless. Surely Goku could have taken .00000001 microseconds out of his own battle to touch that fighter making him explode, and avoid any struggle at all.

I would much rather see the weak fighters teaming up, and using their willpower and techniques to strategically defeat somebody who is actually something worth talking about. At least a Majin Boo level fighter. It would be nice to see the Kienzan actually fulfill its intended purposes and chop a super-strong guy right in half for once.

I agree with your first sentiment, but still don't see your second as shining moment of glory either. And if it managed to work, it would also greatly call into question why teaming up previously never worked out; save once, in very unusual circumstances and much closer powers. With Buu, even the idea of teaming up was dismissed out of hand by Piccolo.

[Beyond]

I really don't see a weak character defeating another weak character as a "moment to shine." If Krillin has an intense battle with somebody slightly stronger than himself and manages to come out on top against all odds... it would be entirely meaningless. Surely Goku could have taken .00000001 microseconds out of his own battle to touch that fighter making him explode, and avoid any struggle at all.

I would much rather see the weak fighters teaming up, and using their willpower and techniques to strategically defeat somebody who is actually something worth talking about. At least a Majin Boo level fighter. It would be nice to see the Kienzan actually fulfill its intended purposes and chop a super-strong guy right in half for once.

I agree with your first sentiment, but still don't see your second as shining moment of glory either. And if it managed to work, it would also greatly call into question why teaming up previously never worked out; save once, in very unusual circumstances and much closer powers. With Buu, even the idea of teaming up was dismissed out of hand by Piccolo.

What would you consider a shining moment or do you believe that the weaker characters are worthless?

[nickzambuto]

I really don't see a weak character defeating another weak character as a "moment to shine." If Krillin has an intense battle with somebody slightly stronger than himself and manages to come out on top against all odds... it would be entirely meaningless. Surely Goku could have taken .00000001 microseconds out of his own battle to touch that fighter making him explode, and avoid any struggle at all.

I would much rather see the weak fighters teaming up, and using their willpower and techniques to strategically defeat somebody who is actually something worth talking about. At least a Majin Boo level fighter. It would be nice to see the Kienzan actually fulfill its intended purposes and chop a super-strong guy right in half for once.

I agree with your first sentiment, but still don't see your second as shining moment of glory either. And if it managed to work, it would also greatly call into question why teaming up previously never worked out; save once, in very unusual circumstances and much closer powers. With Buu, even the idea of teaming up was dismissed out of hand by Piccolo.

Teaming up has worked in the past. It's just that sometimes, when the power gaps are monstrously large, weaker fighters just can't keep up. But that only happens sometimes, about as often as teamwork WAS viable.

Goku needed Tenshinhan to beat Piccolo.

Goku, Piccolo and Gohan were able to take down Raditz.

Goku needed Gohan, Krillin and Yaj in order to beat Vegeta.

Vegeta, Gohan and Krillin working together were able to kill Guldo despite his time stop and paralysis abilities.

Gohan and Krillin were able to take the advantage on Ginyu-Goku. With Vegeta, they were even able to force Freeza out of his first form.

17 stated that the whole Dragon Team would be too much for 18 to handle alone, which is why he had to step in.

Cell required Vegeta to help Gohan.

And Boo required Goku, Vegeta, Mr. Boo, Satan, and the whole Earth (and Namek) to kill.

The movies show Goku and Vegeta being greatly outmatched by Meta Cooler only to defeat him by teaming up, and the anime shows a similar scenario against Boohan after they get absorbed.

[kinisking]

I really don't see a weak character defeating another weak character as a "moment to shine." If Krillin has an intense battle with somebody slightly stronger than himself and manages to come out on top against all odds... it would be entirely meaningless. Surely Goku could have taken .00000001 microseconds out of his own battle to touch that fighter making him explode, and avoid any struggle at all.

I would much rather see the weak fighters teaming up, and using their willpower and techniques to strategically defeat somebody who is actually something worth talking about. At least a Majin Boo level fighter. It would be nice to see the Kienzan actually fulfill its intended purposes and chop a super-strong guy right in half for once.

I agree with your first sentiment, but still don't see your second as shining moment of glory either. And if it managed to work, it would also greatly call into question why teaming up previously never worked out; save once, in very unusual circumstances and much closer powers. With Buu, even the idea of teaming up was dismissed out of hand by Piccolo.

Teaming up has worked in the past. It's just that sometimes, when the power gaps are monstrously large, weaker fighters just can't keep up. But that only happens sometimes, about as often as teamwork WAS viable.

Goku needed Tenshinhan to beat Piccolo.

Goku, Piccolo and Gohan were able to take down Raditz.

Goku needed Gohan, Krillin and Yaj in order to beat Vegeta.

Vegeta, Gohan and Krillin working together were able to kill Guldo despite his time stop and paralysis abilities.

Gohan and Krillin were able to take the advantage on Ginyu-Goku. With Vegeta, they were even able to force Freeza out of his first form.

17 stated that the whole Dragon Team would be too much for 18 to handle alone, which is why he had to step in.

Cell required Vegeta to help Gohan.

And Boo required Goku, Vegeta, Mr. Boo, Satan, and the whole Earth (and Namek) to kill.

The movies show Goku and Vegeta being greatly outmatched by Meta Cooler only to defeat him by teaming up, and the anime shows a similar scenario against Boohan after they get absorbed.

This is why it boggles my mind when people try to call characters besides for Goku (and sometimes Vegeta) useless. Everyone of the fighters on the u7 team have had a vital role in the past.

[namekiansaiyan]

We also don't know how strong everyone will be during the tournament or the format.

It could be something like 2vs2 battles and best out of 5 between episodes.

It could be a system where each fighter can only fight so many times.

It could have some sort of points system which also includes some non fighting activities.

Until we know the format you can't say they will definitely be useless.

[Simere]

Teaming up has worked in the past. It's just that sometimes, when the power gaps are monstrously large, weaker fighters just can't keep up. But that only happens sometimes, about as often as teamwork WAS viable.

The power gap between Roshi, Krillin, Tien, #17 and #18, and maybe Piccolo against your proposed Buu level fighter would be monstrously large. And If you're counting things like Tien moving Goku out of the way or the Spirit Bomb as teamwork, then yeah, that happens all the time in DB. But I didn't think that's what you were proposing. I don't think it's what most people think of when they hear fighting as a team. Actual fighting, with punches and kicks and ki and dodging, has only worked out twice against a superior opponent(I forgot about the first Vegeta fight).

And against Guldo, if you want to count that gimmick. Do you think defeating Guldo was glorious? How did their teamwork work out against Recoome, someone who could actually fight?

Addressing your other examples I didn't touch on above:

Gohan and Krillin were able to take the advantage on Ginyu-Goku. With Vegeta, they were even able to force Freeza out of his first form.

Taking the advantage is a nice phrasing that downplays the fact that they still ended up losing. They took the advantage against a severely weakened Ginyu and lost anyway. Against first form Freeza they did literally nothing, though I acknowledge they claimed they could have. Even if they could, it's still not a success story to make your opponent start trying a little bit.

17 stated that the whole Dragon Team would be too much for 18 to handle alone, which is why he had to step in.

Vegeta stated they wouldn't be of any help. Since it didn't happen, it just comes down to what you believe.

I haven't seen the movies.

[ChronoTwigger]

I don't see how it's possible to willingly watch 50 fighting scenes one after another.
So, for your own sake, hope instead that the tournament will include other kind of events.
Buu can compete in a food fight, Piccolo in a smart contest, and so on.
This way you could spare yourself the anguish of Krillin enter the stage and get beaten EACH damned time 'cause Goku need to shine.
It could also be one fighter for each event, so they spend the slots based on individual strenghts. Goku is powerfull, but of course Tien can fight blindfolded, 18 is more skilled with hunting and animals in a forest, and so on.
Think of it: in a poisoned atmosphere that almost drunk you, who's the better fighter ? VEGETA? You already know who is.
Less power levels and more fantasy, please.

[Simere]

A tournament to decide the strongest of all the universes with the fate of their universe being the stakes shouldn't be decided by hot dog eating contests.

Though now that you say it, I fear it will happen.

[HeroR]

Some universes probably won't even have god-tier fighters. Let's not forget that it was only within the last few years we got our first god tier characters in U7 (Goku and Vegeta), and only a short time before that Freeza was the most powerful being in U7 and he's now considered a complete weakling (disregarding his second return). Also, aside from Hit, the entire U6 team was basically a joke to Vegeta and Goku.

Besides, I hope that Beerus and Whis give the earthlings a taste of the training Goku and Vegeta have received. If given any time to train people up I have no doubt that Beerus would do this to save his own and U7's skin.

Someone of Namek Saga Freeza's level would wiped half of U7's team.

This tournament will have 2 vs 2 battles so team work plays a important role they will fight much better than 1vs1 and of course a
longer fight

Assumption. Such a thing hasn't been stated.

[Freeza9000]

Someone of Namek Saga Freeza's level would wiped half of U7's team..

Nope, only Krillin, Tien, and Roshi would be wiped out by someone "Namek Freeza's level".

[HeroR]

Someone of Namek Saga Freeza's level would wiped half of U7's team..

Nope, only Krillin, Tien, and Roshi.

That is still a third of the team. And someone of Perfect Cell's level, not even Super Perfect Cell, could wiped out the rest outside of Buu, Gohan, Goku, and Vegeta. The point is, the enemy don't have to be as strong as Goku and Vegeta's base forms to beat most of U7. They just have to be as strong as Fat Buu before he lost his evil half.

[Freeza9000]

That is still a third of the team. And someone of Perfect Cell's level, not even Super Perfect Cell, could wiped out the rest outside of Buu, Gohan, Goku, and Vegeta. The point is, the enemy don't have to be as strong as Goku and Vegeta's base forms to beat most of U7. They just have to be as strong as Fat Buu before he lost his evil half.

I doubt someone of Perfect Cell's level would be capable of taking out Piccolo now, considering the fact that you said " someone of Perfect Cell's level could wiped out the rest outside of Buu, Gohan, Goku, and Vegeta". But otherwise, I agree with the fact that many of U7's team could be handled pretty easily.

[HeroR]

That is still a third of the team. And someone of Perfect Cell's level, not even Super Perfect Cell, could wiped out the rest outside of Buu, Gohan, Goku, and Vegeta. The point is, the enemy don't have to be as strong as Goku and Vegeta's base forms to beat most of U7. They just have to be as strong as Fat Buu before he lost his evil half.

I doubt someone of Perfect Cell's level would be capable of taking out Piccolo now, considering the fact that you said " someone of Perfect Cell's level could wiped out the rest outside of Buu, Gohan, Goku, and Vegeta". But otherwise, I agree with the fact that many of U7's team could be handled pretty easily.

As far as we know, Piccolo got no noticeable power boost. Even during the Champa Saga Goku made no mention of Piccolo being stronger than before. We saw him react more to Gohan. The last time we saw Piccolo do anything that we can compare, he was still inferior to Perfect Cell.