Other Saiyajin Survivors?

Chaos Saiyajin · Post by **Chaos Saiyajin** » Tue Jul 04, 2006 10:27 am

Lately I've been thinking about the fact that only four Saiyajin survived the destruction of Vegetasei.

Is it really plausible that only four out of an entire race survived the anhilation of their home planet?

Weren't other Saiyajin out and about on missions at the time?

Just an idea.

vl · Post by vl » Tue Jul 04, 2006 10:42 am

Well, there were more survivors in the movies

MisterFlashdude · Post by **MisterFlashdude** » Tue Jul 04, 2006 1:21 pm

I think Freeza might have pulled a Palpatine and gone after all the surviving Saiya-jins except Vegeta, Nappa, and Radditz.

vl · Post by vl » Tue Jul 04, 2006 2:16 pm

MisterFlashdude wrote:I think Freeza might have pulled a Palpatine and gone after all the surviving Saiya-jins except Vegeta, Nappa, and Radditz.

Why would he forget Goku

, movies left aside, this is a pretty interesting question, cause they probably should be some Saiyans on some missions, and Frezza would probably want to have all of them dead. Which makes me wonder, why did he let Vegeta, Nappa and Radditz alive anyway. Is this explained somewhere in the Anime or Manga, cause i can't remember

Post by **VegettoEX** » Tue Jul 04, 2006 2:22 pm

vl wrote:Why would he forget Goku , movies left aside, this is a pretty interesting question, cause they probably should be some Saiyans on some missions, and Frezza would probably want to have all of them dead. Which makes me wonder, why did he let Vegeta, Nappa and Radditz alive anyway. Is this explained somewhere in the Anime or Manga, cause i can't remember

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MisterFlashdude · Post by **MisterFlashdude** » Tue Jul 04, 2006 2:24 pm

vl wrote:
MisterFlashdude wrote:I think Freeza might have pulled a Palpatine and gone after all the surviving Saiya-jins except Vegeta, Nappa, and Radditz.
Why would he forget Goku , movies left aside, this is a pretty interesting question, cause they probably should be some Saiyans on some missions, and Frezza would probably want to have all of them dead. Which makes me wonder, why did he let Vegeta, Nappa and Radditz alive anyway. Is this explained somewhere in the Anime or Manga, cause i can't remember

I think having a few pet Saiya-jin left over at your side is much less intimidating than a planet full of warriors who seem to only ever get stronger...

Why would he forget Goku?

Hm... well, I would guess that Saiya-jin don't keep good records! I mean, we see Radditz only remember his brother after many, many years after the planet was destroyed...

And since Freeza's scouters probably don't reach across the entire galaxy, I can imagine a few stray Saiya-jin causing havoc under the radar.

supersaiyanguru · Post by **supersaiyanguru** » Tue Jul 04, 2006 5:12 pm

Well, according to the movies, cooler caught little goku flying past his ship, but he let him go.

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Tue Jul 04, 2006 5:20 pm

Freeza didn't know Goku existed so he didn't 'let' him live. He didn't know Goku existed until he showed up on the battlefield on Namek. All other Saiya-jins aside from those 3 he let live probably were killed upon returning from whatever mission they were on.

Deus ex Machina · Post by **Deus ex Machina** » Tue Jul 04, 2006 5:25 pm

supersaiyanguru wrote:Well, according to the movies, cooler caught little goku flying past his ship, but he let him go.

Funny how Coola completly missed Peragus and Broli escaping at the exact same time in a little bubble.

If we want to go into crazy movie logic, we could assume there were other low class Saiyans who might have survived the destruction of Vegeta, like Tullece did. There's no reason why a handful of low-class Saiyans could've slipped under the radar and just tried to stay out of Freeza's way.

Steven Perry · Post by **Steven Perry** » Tue Jul 04, 2006 5:25 pm

Well, if you think about it... OBVIOUSLY there were more Saiyans than a mere four.

Four is a little unrealistic. There could've been some renegade Saiyans, escaping Frieza's control over them. They probably flew away, to a distant planet... and continued their race.

supersaiyanguru · Post by **supersaiyanguru** » Tue Jul 04, 2006 9:31 pm

Yes, that is possible.

The S · Post by **The S** » Tue Jul 04, 2006 10:58 pm

Queerly enough, I was just thinking of this same subject yesterday. It came about when a random story about a Saiya-jin named Naspich popped in my head, and it went on from there.

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Tue Jul 04, 2006 11:48 pm

I know when I first saw the Trunks preview, I assumed that Frieza might have missed a few and that's where he came from.

Terra-jin · Post by **Terra-jin** » Wed Jul 05, 2006 9:28 am

This is an interesting question. Both Freeza and Vegeta were absolutely sure that no other Saiyans survived but Vegeta, Nappa and Raditz. Apparently, Freeza didn't know of Goku's escape, but Raditz did.
Like Steven Perry said, there could have been Saiyans like Turles, who lived independently from Freeza's empire. Also, there could have been many cases of low-class Saiyans sent away to weak planets, like Goku. Furthermore, there may have been Saiyans who survived an ambush like Bardock, who was killed because he got too strong.

If Freeza and Vegeta are so sure about no other Saiyans existing, it appears Freeza did his best to kill them all of. However, I do not think Vegeta or Freeza can be absolutely sure about the surviving Saiyans.

future_trunks · Post by **future_trunks** » Wed Jul 05, 2006 9:41 am

Maybe the other saiyans got word of the revolt via scouter, and decided to come help.

_Jrinu_ · Post by **_Jrinu_** » Wed Jul 05, 2006 10:54 am

Well lets look at it like this:

Originally we knew four saiya-jin's had survived
Goku (Kakarotto)
Radditz
Vegeta
Nappa

After seeing the movies we learn that there were more survivors than we thought
Tullece
Broly
Paragus

Now we are up to seven survivors (eight if you want to count Onio from Neko Majin Z)

So considering the Saiya-jin lifestyle, that's a pretty reasonable number. I have no doubt that there were some low class warriors on other planets, but they probably died in battle like saiya-jins always do.

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Wed Jul 05, 2006 2:19 pm

Steven Perry wrote:Well, if you think about it... OBVIOUSLY there were more Saiyans than a mere four. Four is a little unrealistic. There could've been some renegade Saiyans, escaping Freeza's control over them. They probably flew away, to a distant planet... and continued their race.

Well, not really. I mean, if the Saiya-jins generally stayed on their world unless on a mission, and the only ones on a mission were Raditz, Nappa, and Vegeta, then it's highly probable.

But I did explore this idea with a fic once (that I plan to re-write!) and not only did they continue their race, they mereged with another race (like those on Earth were doing with the Humans there) and made a race of hybrids even stronger than the ones of Earth!

Iyouboushi · Post by **Iyouboushi** » Wed Jul 05, 2006 4:30 pm

MisterFlashdude wrote:Why would he forget Goku? Hm... well, I would guess that Saiya-jin don't keep good records! I mean, we see Radditz only remember his brother after many, many years after the planet was destroyed...

That's something that's always bugged me. Radditz always called him "brother" but they don't really look alike. I mean, Bardock and Gokuu looks so freakin' close they could be twins (which is why Freeza even remembers Bardock when he sees Gokuu). And Taurus/Tullis/however you spell his name also looks really close to Gokuu. But Radditz doesn't look anything like him.

Could Radditz really be using "Brother" like how people of the church call each other "brother" and not mean it as a physical blood relation?

Sorry to go a bit off topic... but that's been bugging me for awhile. :p

On topic.. I'm more inclined to believe that Freeza would have stuck around until some of the Saiya-jins that were on missions would have returned home only to find their planet destroyed and a huge ki-blast waiting for them. He didn't go after Gokuu because Gokuu didn't return/was just a baby at the time and was no threat. I imagine there were probably a few other babies around out on other planets that could have survived too. Of course what became of them after is anyone's guess.

Mr. Announcer · Post by **Mr. Announcer** » Wed Jul 05, 2006 6:52 pm

No, I'm pretty sure they're related by blood, afterall Radditz does refer to them having the same parents. At the time Radditz was first introduced I would say he resembled Gokuh a good deal more than most of the cast. Radditz also points out that Gokuh looks very much like their father so maybe the saiyans just produce nearly identical offspring every now and then, a bit like Gokuh and Goten perhaps.

As for Freeza, I'm going with the theory that he just killed off all the saiyans returning from missions since he already had all the saiyans he needed. I guess since he also had significant influence over them, he could've found a way to get them to all return to Vegeta before he blew it up. As for the babies, I'm guessing the saiyan's weren't a very large population to begin with, given their violent nature and the ease with which they were exterminated, and they probably didn't have much time for kids either. There may not have been all that many babies clearing off weak planets at the time. I dunno, that doesn't sound all that reasonable.

Alucard · Post by **Alucard** » Thu Jul 06, 2006 2:51 am

Iyouboushi wrote: Could Radditz really be using "Brother" like how people of the church call each other "brother" and not mean it as a physical blood relation?

Raditz: "I'll tell you, then. You are not a human from this planet. You were born on Planet Vegeta. You are a proud Saiyan, the mightiest warrior race in the universe! And I am your older brother, Raditz!"

And there you have it.