Why isn't the 18 universe thing in the manga?

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Why isn't the 18 universe thing in the manga?

Post by Totamo » Tue Feb 28, 2017 3:19 am

I feel thats important information but its not in the manga.


The reason i say this is because it kind of screws up the twin universe thing.


So what gives?

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Re: Why isn't the 18 universe thing in the manga?

Post by Sora Saiyan » Tue Feb 28, 2017 3:54 am

It is in the manga. In chapter 14 Whis mentions that there used to be 18 universes.

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Re: Why isn't the 18 universe thing in the manga?

Post by Gig » Tue Feb 28, 2017 4:56 am

Totamo wrote: The reason i say this is because it kind of screws up the twin universe thing.
Excuse me, but how would that "screw up" the "twin universes" thing? It has never been stated, but it's quite likely that originally each universe had TWO twin universes instead of ONE...
Do you mean the universes numbering scheme, maybe?

I'm not so good at math, maybe there is some combination which allows to have 6 series of 3 numbers which give the same result, without re-using any number?

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Re: Why isn't the 18 universe thing in the manga?

Post by TheMikado » Tue Feb 28, 2017 8:14 am

Gig wrote:
Totamo wrote: The reason i say this is because it kind of screws up the twin universe thing.
Excuse me, but how would that "screw up" the "twin universes" thing? It has never been stated, but it's quite likely that originally each universe had TWO twin universes instead of ONE...
Do you mean the universes numbering scheme, maybe?

I'm not so good at math, maybe there is some combination which allows to have 6 series of 3 numbers which give the same result, without re-using any number?
I'm not understanding why 18 universes screws up anything.

9 sets of 2.

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Re: Why isn't the 18 universe thing in the manga?

Post by Alruneia » Tue Feb 28, 2017 10:03 am

Gig wrote:
Totamo wrote: The reason i say this is because it kind of screws up the twin universe thing.
Excuse me, but how would that "screw up" the "twin universes" thing? It has never been stated, but it's quite likely that originally each universe had TWO twin universes instead of ONE...
Do you mean the universes numbering scheme, maybe?

I'm not so good at math, maybe there is some combination which allows to have 6 series of 3 numbers which give the same result, without re-using any number?
I'm about 96 % sure there's not, but I'll try to look into it. It's much easier for there to have been 9 twin universes, though. 1 + 18, 2 + 17... You get the idea. And after the six universes' destruction, the remaining ones were renamed.

Edit: I don't know how rigid this is, but:
The total sum of all 18 universes, in other words the 18th triangle number, is 171. This sum would have to be evenly distributed across six triplet universes (they all add up to the same number), which means that we get 171/6. The answer has to be an integer, because there's no way to add a finite amount of integers together and get something other than an integer. The answer isn't an integer, though; it's 28.5. Therefore, no proper numbering system for six triplet universes exists.
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Re: Why isn't the 18 universe thing in the manga?

Post by Gig » Tue Feb 28, 2017 1:14 pm

Alruneia wrote: The total sum of all 18 universes, in other words the 18th triangle number, is 171. This sum would have to be evenly distributed across six triplet universes (they all add up to the same number), which means that we get 171/6. The answer has to be an integer, because there's no way to add a finite amount of integers together and get something other than an integer. The answer isn't an integer, though; it's 28.5. Therefore, no proper numbering system for six triplet universes exists.
Wow! Thank you!
So, 9 groups of 2 universes seems to be the only option remaining... unless one screws up the numbering schemes...

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Re: Why isn't the 18 universe thing in the manga?

Post by immakillya » Tue Feb 28, 2017 1:22 pm

Gig wrote:
Alruneia wrote: The total sum of all 18 universes, in other words the 18th triangle number, is 171. This sum would have to be evenly distributed across six triplet universes (they all add up to the same number), which means that we get 171/6. The answer has to be an integer, because there's no way to add a finite amount of integers together and get something other than an integer. The answer isn't an integer, though; it's 28.5. Therefore, no proper numbering system for six triplet universes exists.
Wow! Thank you!
So, 9 groups of 2 universes seems to be the only option remaining... unless one screws up the numbering schemes...
The twins for Universe's 1-12 add up to 13 (ie. 1+12, 2+11, 3+10, ect.) and the twins for universe 13-18 add up to 31 (ie. 13+18, 14+17, 15+16)
Something like that could work

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Re: Why isn't the 18 universe thing in the manga?

Post by ChronoTwigger » Tue Feb 28, 2017 2:21 pm

Looking at how Zeno and angels are obsessed by schemes and order, and don't give a f..., maybe they spared 12 universe and name that ways just for the sole reason of having that simmetry XD.
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Re: Why isn't the 18 universe thing in the manga?

Post by Gig » Tue Feb 28, 2017 2:56 pm

I can think about "ordered" groups of 3 universes as 1-7-13, 2-8-14, 3-9-15, 4-10-16, 5-11-17, 6-12-18.
Or just 1-2-3, 4-5-6, 7-8-9, 10-11-12, 13-14-15, 16-17-18.

If you don't care about the sums, of course!

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Re: Why isn't the 18 universe thing in the manga?

Post by TheUltimateNinja » Tue Feb 28, 2017 4:31 pm

Gig wrote:I can think about "ordered" groups of 3 universes as 1-7-13, 2-8-14, 3-9-15, 4-10-16, 5-11-17, 6-12-18.
Or just 1-2-3, 4-5-6, 7-8-9, 10-11-12, 13-14-15, 16-17-18.

If you don't care about the sums, of course!
How would the twin universe system work here?

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Re: Why isn't the 18 universe thing in the manga?

Post by Gig » Tue Feb 28, 2017 5:54 pm

TheUltimateNinja wrote:
Gig wrote:I can think about "ordered" groups of 3 universes as 1-7-13, 2-8-14, 3-9-15, 4-10-16, 5-11-17, 6-12-18.
Or just 1-2-3, 4-5-6, 7-8-9, 10-11-12, 13-14-15, 16-17-18.

If you don't care about the sums, of course!
How would the twin universe system work here?
Excuse me, what do you mean?
For how I see it, two (or three) universes are "twin" when they are very similar (e.g. both u6 and u7 have saiyans and Frieza's race)... and in theory they could still be twins even if their "names" ("numbers") would have been random. In other words the fact they used the trick "A+B=13 so they are twins" is handy, but wasn't strictly necessary... Champa's and Beerus' universes may have been twins even if they were named "Universe lol" and "Universe qwerty"...
So, IMHO, also other numbering schemes which would do not require the sums to be the same, would not prevent the "twin universes" idea.

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Re: Why isn't the 18 universe thing in the manga?

Post by Gig » Wed Mar 01, 2017 4:28 am

TheUltimateNinja wrote:
Gig wrote:I can think about "ordered" groups of 3 universes as 1-7-13, 2-8-14, 3-9-15, 4-10-16, 5-11-17, 6-12-18.
Or just 1-2-3, 4-5-6, 7-8-9, 10-11-12, 13-14-15, 16-17-18.

If you don't care about the sums, of course!
How would the twin universe system work here?
If you were simply asking about the relationshinp of those numbers, well...
In the first example you take your universe number and add (or remove) 6 or 12 to find out its two counterparts. (Examples: 7-6=1, 7+6=13; 4+6=10, 4+12=16)
In the second example, they are very simply grouped, to find out your two counterparts you look at the list.

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