How Dragon Ball Super Should Have Booked

[dbzfan7]

I thought this may be an interesting way to get points across. While from past episodes or the current ones, there's a lot of debate. But not a lot of it tells of how we'd do it. What would we do with the ideas presented? What would we change? How would we improve or in some other opinions ruin a concept. So I thought this could be a fun thread where we see an episode we may not be as much of a fan of, and then write how we would fix or do it better. It could help get a lot of points across too I think.

So grab your keyboards, pick an episode you may not like or has issues, and then positively write how it could be better. What would you alter to fix an issue?

I'll start with the recent episode. The idea was good, but could use work. I'll keep out the whole secret thing for now as they seem to be building to something....even if it' likely a gag yell at Goku joke...

So Goku and Gohan see Krillin, say the same things, and Gohan wants to test Krillin as Goku mentions he is quite the strategist. Gohan is book smart, and Krillin has some of the best fighting strategies. Gohan wants to experience that since the show sets up they want Gohan to do planning. Krillin will still win. This time though once blinded, Gohan uses the same tactics he did against Basil. Krillin fires a dozen ki shots to cover the sound of his approach, as well as mislead Gohan's sonar. He then wins by ring out just like in the show. Now Gohan understands what Goku meant, while also not coming off as a complete fool.

Goku wants up next and this time he remains in base and fights Krillin. He of course holds back, but Krillin doesn't like that. He wants more effort because he knows people there will fight harder. Krillin uses strategies and tricks to surprise SSJ Goku. We either stop there, or Goku goes Blue, and Krillin's next trick doesn't work. Gohan and 18 get in the way before Krillin gets hit. But not before Krillin does a good job with some strategies and misdirection. Krillin and Gohan are tasked to work together. We end off with Goku teleporting to God as why is he flying and wasting time?

That's what'd I'd change.

[The gr]

Gohan never fought Basil , but I want to fix episode 66 and 67, they need to do This

have trunks trying to learn the genkidama sword meanwhile vegito figths merged zamasu,have the fight to be a bit longer, and the final Kamehameha damage zamas badly, when they go for the finishing blow, have merged zamasu destroyed the potara ear ring for his last attempt at desperation, merged zamasu almost killed goku and vegeta and trunks genkidama sequence should be the same as ep 66, and in ep 67, Have everyone live happily ever after, but goku forgot Zeno friend,he presses the button and took ft Zeno, and​ let him befriend present Zeno, The end, that ending will be sastifying for Trunks character

[Cipher]

Imagine a version of the last several episodes in which Goku remained torn between his complicity in endangering all the universes and his excitement for the fights, in which Gohan were taking the issue seriously, all their friends were informed, and Beerus maintained his icy demeanor toward Goku from episode 77, acknowledging implications like that because of his actions, only one of the two between himself and Champa can survive.

What an exciting story, pulling through on everyone's characterization and all the relationships ushered in by the new material!

Just imagine.

[Beyond]

I gotta change quite a few episodes. First episode 73 and 74. Both were cute and pretty good, but I'll be throwing them both in the trash. Instead we get 2 episodes of Piccolo developing Gohan's mind. In these episodes Gohan and Piccolo would meditate and use imagine training to develop battle strategies. Piccolo would also force Gohan to fight him with handicaps like being forced to block or dodge everything, and of course no transformation. Basically by the end of their training, Gohan would have gained skills that surpass Piccolo, and Gohan's way of thinking would be far more strategic. His power level would still be relatively low, but he would have full control of his SSJ state again. This would lead perfectly into the exhibition match.

I would have Goku be the one to train Gohan after the exhibition match, and the recruiting process. They would utilize the ROSAT for about half a day. Goku training quickly helps Gohan regain his old power back and more. I wouldn't have Gohan gain blue but his mystic power would be on a different level. Although Gohan wouldn't be a god, I would have it stressed that Goku taught Gohan how it felt to be a god. For foreshadowing purposes.

anyway, the end result is a mind honed by Piccolo, and a body honed by Goku, and a resolve forged on his own. The true ultimate Gohan.

[Soul Breaker]

I'd change episode 66 and extend it for 2 or 3 episodes. In episode 66, the whole time Vegito will be fighting in his base and ssj forms vs. Merged Zamasu(to which he breaks down at the end). For 67, Vegito goes "Blue" at the center or end of the episode when Zamasu goes giant. In between, Trunks is practicing the Spirit Bomb, with Bulma helping him along the way(?). 68, Zamasu hits Vegito with a very cheap blow, so Trunks finishes it and slices him like in the episode(though not as B.S). Biggest change, the fusion is still permanent.

[buutenks]

What id change, make Trunks turning ssj2 for the first time in Super, look much better than it did, he looked way to toon like in ep 49 for my taste. And ep 67, make Vegeta not look so horrible while he is trying to go ssj blue, that badly drawn or poorly art wise or w/e scene ruined the moment IMO.

Other than that, i am OK.

[TheGreatSaiyaman]

I gotta change quite a few episodes. First episode 73 and 74. Both were cute and pretty good, but I'll be throwing them both in the trash. Instead we get 2 episodes of Piccolo developing Gohan's mind. In these episodes Gohan and Piccolo would meditate and use imagine training to develop battle strategies. Piccolo would also force Gohan to fight him with handicaps like being forced to block or dodge everything, and of course no transformation. Basically by the end of their training, Gohan would have gained skills that surpass Piccolo, and Gohan's way of thinking would be far more strategic. His power level would still be relatively low, but he would have full control of his SSJ state again. This would lead perfectly into the exhibition match.

I would have Goku be the one to train Gohan after the exhibition match, and the recruiting process. They would utilize the ROSAT for about half a day. Goku training quickly helps Gohan regain his old power back and more. I wouldn't have Gohan gain blue but his mystic power would be on a different level. Although Gohan wouldn't be a god, I would have it stressed that Goku taught Gohan how it felt to be a god. For foreshadowing purposes.

anyway, the end result is a mind honed by Piccolo, and a body honed by Goku, and a resolve forged on his own. The true ultimate Gohan.

Love this!

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Imagine a version of the last several episodes in which Goku remained torn between his complicity in endangering all the universes and his excitement for the fights, in which Gohan were taking the issue seriously, all their friends were informed, and Beerus maintained his icy demeanor toward Goku from episode 77, acknowledging implications like that because of his actions, only one of the two between himself and Champa can survive.

What an exciting story, pulling through on everyone's characterization and all the relationships ushered in by the new material!

Just imagine.

You assume that bothers Beerus? The closest we have to seeing him "care" for Champa was using the wish, but he hasn't shown that side since and certainly didn't show that side before, I think we can chalk that moment as OoC for Beerus. Besides they are both God of Destruction with a pretty big weakness I am sure they are aware one of the other would kick the bucket one day, and it isn't Goku's fault that Champa like Beerus hasn't been doing his job properly in the first place to be included in the ToP, if Beerus and Champa were good at their jobs then they wouldn't be in the predicament in this first place regardless of Goku, so having a grudge over Goku is pointless especially ever since that reveal by Zen-Oh and the Grand Priest.

[Lord Beerus]

Are we talking about from beginning to the current arc, because as much as I like Super, I would changed a lot of shit:
- Have Vegeta turn SSJ3 when Beerus slaps Bulma
- Scrap the Namekian Book Of Legends nonsense, unless that plan is that will lead to Piccolo getting a power up from it (A point I will refer to later)
- Scrap the bullshit 10% line Beerus gave
- Vegeta does the Super Saiyan God ritual after Battle Of Gods arc ends
- Explain how God ki works when Goku and Vegeta train with Whis (I can't stress this enough. Half of the issues I have with Super are tied to this. And the power scaling became an almighty mess because of the lack of explanation for this).
- Freeza destroys Namek and the Namekian Dragon Balls before arriving to Earth in the Resurrection F arc
- Have Freeza train for more than four months and train with Tagoma and Shisami, leading them to becoming much more powerful
- Gohan doesn't lose his Ultimate Power-Up/Form
- None of the Ginyu(Frog) swapping bodies with Tagoma bollocks happens, as it adds nothing to the story and is anticlimactic as hell
- Tagoma lives and is killed by Gohan and Shisami is taken down by Piccolo in hard battles
- Yamcha joins in fighting Freeza's army
- The whole "Krillin needs confidence to defeat Freeza's mooks" bullshit angle never happens
- Goku actually dies from the Sorbet's Laser Ring and is happens in his base form.
- When Whis rewinds time, change it so that he can't rewind the moments of Goku's death and have a team attack from Ultimate Gohan, Piccolo, Krillin, Tien and Yamcha killing Final Form Freeza
- Have Goku's death lead up to the cast needing find a way to bring him back to life as Namek is gone and Goku was already brought back to life with Shenron once. This can wonderfully lead into the introduction of the Super Dragon Balls which the cast will need to bring him back to life. This will make the Universe 6/7 Tournament feel like it has more stakes and meaning and feel like less of throwaway tournament.
- Have Gohan train with Whis (To learn how to tap into God Ki) and King Kai (To learn the Kaioken)
- If the Namekian Book Of Legends is going to be a plot point, use for the means of Piccolo discoviering an acient Namekia method of him becoming stronger. You can even throw in a new outfit as a bonus.
- Each Universe 6 fighter has an episode dedicated them for building up their character and learning more about their background
- Swap in Gohan for Goku's place for the Universe 6/7 Tournament, thereby making him more relevant to the story. And have everything pan in the tournament as it did in the anime/manga, concluding with the cast using the Super Dragon Balls to revive Goku.
- The stupid Copy Vegeta/Monaka arc never happens
- Scrap the whole Time Paradox bullshit that plagued the narrative of the Future Trunks arc and made Goku Black's origins nonsensical
- Give Future Trunks SSJ3 because I can't stand the idea that SSJ2 Future Trunks can given SSJ3 Goku a run for his money
- Have the Mafuba actually seal Future Zamasu leading to Goku Black to break the Mafuba Jar and release him
- Have Future Trunks train with Whis or Vegeata in the ROSAT so that his Super Saiyan Rage transformation has more of basis for existing
- Merged Zamasu take no damage from anyone until he battles SSJB Vegetto
- The SSJB Vegetto/Merged Zamasu fight lasts 10 more minutes
- Have Goku gather the energy for Genki Dama and then channels the energy into Future Trunks' sword as he uses it to kill Merged Zamasu

I'm fine with how the current arc is progressing. So I wouldn't change it that much.

[Totamo]

Imagine a version of the last several episodes in which Goku remained torn between his complicity in endangering all the universes and his excitement for the fights, in which Gohan were taking the issue seriously, all their friends were informed, and Beerus maintained his icy demeanor toward Goku from episode 77, acknowledging implications like that because of his actions, only one of the two between himself and Champa can survive.

What an exciting story, pulling through on everyone's characterization and all the relationships ushered in by the new material!

Just imagine.

You know, did Goku care about what freeza would do after he let him go?

[ChaosLordBrandon]

Are we talking about from beginning to the current arc, because as much as I like Super, I would changed a lot of shit:
- Have Vegeta turn SSJ3 when Beerus slaps Bulma
- Scrap the Namekian Book Of Legends nonsense, unless that plan is that will lead to Piccolo getting a power up from it (A point I will refer to later)
- Scrap the bullshit 10% line Beerus gave
- Vegeta does the Super Saiyan God ritual after Battle Of Gods arc ends
- Explain how God ki works when Goku and Vegeta train with Whis (I can't stress this enough. Half of the issues I have with Super are tied to this. And the power scaling became an almighty mess because of the lack of explanation for this).
- Freeza destroys Namek and the Namekian Dragon Balls before arriving to Earth in the Resurrection F arc
- Have Freeza train for more than four months and train with Tagoma and Shisami, leading them to becoming much more powerful
- Gohan doesn't lose his Ultimate Power-Up/Form
- None of the Ginyu(Frog) swapping bodies with Tagoma bollocks happens, as it adds nothing to the story and is anticlimactic as hell
- Tagoma lives and is killed by Gohan and Shisami is taken down by Piccolo in hard battles
- Yamcha joins in fighting Freeza's army
- The whole "Krillin needs confidence to defeat Freeza's mooks" bullshit angle never happens
- Goku actually dies from the Sorbet's Laser Ring and is happens in his base form.
- When Whis rewinds time, change it so that he can't rewind the moments of Goku's death and have a team attack from Ultimate Gohan, Piccolo, Krillin, Tien and Yamcha killing Final Form Freeza
- Have Goku's death lead up to the cast needing find a way to bring him back to life as Namek is gone and Goku was already brought back to life with Shenron once. This can wonderfully lead into the introduction of the Super Dragon Balls which the cast will need to bring him back to life. This will make the Universe 6/7 Tournament feel like it has more stakes and meaning and feel like less of throwaway tournament.
- Have Gohan train with Whis (To learn how to tap into God Ki) and King Kai (To learn the Kaioken)
- If the Namekian Book Of Legends is going to be a plot point, use for the means of Piccolo discoviering an acient Namekia method of him becoming stronger. You can even throw in a new outfit as a bonus.
- Each Universe 6 fighter has an episode dedicated them for building up their character and learning more about their background
- Swap in Gohan for Goku's place for the Universe 6/7 Tournament, thereby making him more relevant to the story. And have everything pan in the tournament as it did in the anime/manga, concluding with the cast using the Super Dragon Balls to revive Goku.
- The stupid Copy Vegeta/Monaka arc never happens
- Scrap the whole Time Paradox bullshit that plagued the narrative of the Future Trunks arc and made Goku Black's origins nonsensical
- Give Future Trunks SSJ3 because I can't stand the idea that SSJ2 Future Trunks can given SSJ3 Goku a run for his money
- Have the Mafuba actually seal Future Zamasu leading to Goku Black to break the Mafuba Jar and release him
- Have Future Trunks train with Whis or Vegeata in the ROSAT so that his Super Saiyan Rage transformation has more of basis for existing
- Merged Zamasu take no damage from anyone until he battles SSJB Vegetto
- The SSJB Vegetto/Merged Zamasu fight lasts 10 more minutes
- Have Goku gather the energy for Genki Dama and then channels the energy into Future Trunks' sword as he uses it to kill Merged Zamasu

I'm fine with how the current arc is progressing. So I wouldn't change it that much.

what about Goku's relationship with Zamasu, Black, Hit, Beerus and Gowasu? And now that I think about a lot more other things to like, Goku can just go right back to earth with king yamma's help or how in this current arc their is about to a entire segment on it focused Gohan training Piccolo.

What does Vegeta turning ssj3 even do? infact that would be a major ass pull just like how SSrage was.

Also they only have to wait a couple of months just to bring Goku back with dende dragon balls any ways, so the u6 arc still has no stakes. the only tournament that had real stakes in db was the current one and the one with Piccolo, the 23 one if I recall it right. and none of the characters in any of the tournements in DB or DBZ besides the main cast had any episode focused on them besides Nam.

And there is a lot things which do not even make it the same series if half of this stuff happpened.

Goku fight with Hit and becoming friends with Hit and Zeno it legit the only reason why this current arc is happening. how can this happend when zeno left long before they used the Super Dragon Balls and didn't even know a man called Goku even was around?

How does entire black arc play out since, Zamasu meeting Goku seeing Goku fighting Hit was the reason the reason why it happened?

Not mention that Goku wouldn't even be known by the u6 characters as well and he wouldn't have entire friendship with Hit which sure to be a major thing in the current arc.

Not to mention future Zeno to, who was the only reason the entire exhibition matches happened. No telling other things he might be the caused for as well.

Edit: current arc stuff added.

[Cipher]

You know, did Goku care about what freeza would do after he let him go?

Did you know I've read this argument literally dozens of times and disagree fully that Goku's cavalier attitude toward letting opponents go differs from the level of regret he might feel in being complicit in the extermination of multiple universes?

A character can be mostly selfish and naive to a fault without being a complete sociopath. I'd argue the first two consistently characterize Goku in the manga while the latter does not.

[Lord Beerus]

Are we talking about from beginning to the current arc, because as much as I like Super, I would changed a lot of shit:
- Have Vegeta turn SSJ3 when Beerus slaps Bulma
- Scrap the Namekian Book Of Legends nonsense, unless that plan is that will lead to Piccolo getting a power up from it (A point I will refer to later)
- Scrap the bullshit 10% line Beerus gave
- Vegeta does the Super Saiyan God ritual after Battle Of Gods arc ends
- Explain how God ki works when Goku and Vegeta train with Whis (I can't stress this enough. Half of the issues I have with Super are tied to this. And the power scaling became an almighty mess because of the lack of explanation for this).
- Freeza destroys Namek and the Namekian Dragon Balls before arriving to Earth in the Resurrection F arc
- Have Freeza train for more than four months and train with Tagoma and Shisami, leading them to becoming much more powerful
- Gohan doesn't lose his Ultimate Power-Up/Form
- None of the Ginyu(Frog) swapping bodies with Tagoma bollocks happens, as it adds nothing to the story and is anticlimactic as hell
- Tagoma lives and is killed by Gohan and Shisami is taken down by Piccolo in hard battles
- Yamcha joins in fighting Freeza's army
- The whole "Krillin needs confidence to defeat Freeza's mooks" bullshit angle never happens
- Goku actually dies from the Sorbet's Laser Ring and is happens in his base form.
- When Whis rewinds time, change it so that he can't rewind the moments of Goku's death and have a team attack from Ultimate Gohan, Piccolo, Krillin, Tien and Yamcha killing Final Form Freeza
- Have Goku's death lead up to the cast needing find a way to bring him back to life as Namek is gone and Goku was already brought back to life with Shenron once. This can wonderfully lead into the introduction of the Super Dragon Balls which the cast will need to bring him back to life. This will make the Universe 6/7 Tournament feel like it has more stakes and meaning and feel like less of throwaway tournament.
- Have Gohan train with Whis (To learn how to tap into God Ki) and King Kai (To learn the Kaioken)
- If the Namekian Book Of Legends is going to be a plot point, use for the means of Piccolo discovering an ancient Namekian method of him becoming stronger. You can even throw in a new outfit as a bonus.
- Each Universe 6 fighter has an episode dedicated them for building up their character and learning more about their background
- Swap in Gohan for Goku's place for the Universe 6/7 Tournament, thereby making him more relevant to the story. And have everything pan in the tournament as it did in the anime/manga, concluding with the cast using the Super Dragon Balls to revive Goku.
- The stupid Copy Vegeta/Monaka arc never happens
- Scrap the whole Time Paradox bullshit that plagued the narrative of the Future Trunks arc and made Goku Black's origins nonsensical
- Give Future Trunks SSJ3 because I can't stand the idea that SSJ2 Future Trunks can given SSJ3 Goku a run for his money
- Have the Mafuba actually seal Future Zamasu leading to Goku Black to break the Mafuba Jar and release him
- Have Future Trunks train with Whis or Vegeata in the ROSAT so that his Super Saiyan Rage transformation has more of basis for existing
- Merged Zamasu take no damage from anyone until he battles SSJB Vegetto
- The SSJB Vegetto/Merged Zamasu fight lasts 10 more minutes
- Have Goku gather the energy for Genki Dama and then channels the energy into Future Trunks' sword as he uses it to kill Merged Zamasu

I'm fine with how the current arc is progressing. So I wouldn't change it that much.

what about Goku's relation ship with Zamasu, Black, Hit, Beerus and Gowasu?

what does Vegeta turning ssj3 even do? infact that would be a major ass pull just like how SSrage was.

Also they only have to wait a couple of months just to bring goku back with dende dragon balls any ways, so the u6 arc still has no stakes. the only tournament that had real stakes in db was the current one and the one with Piccolo, the 23 one if I recall it right. and none of the characters in any of the tournements in DB or DBZ besides the main cast had any episode focused on them besides Nam.

And there is a lot things which do not even make it the same series if half of this stuff happpened.

Goku fight with Hit and becoming friends with Hit and Zeno it legit the only reason why this current is happening.

Instead of the whole time paradox/stable loop deal. I'd just have Zamasu find a way of cloning himself. And that clone travel to another timeline (Future Trunks).

At that point I think I'd toss Vegeta a bone and give him SSJ3. Why not?

Goku has already been brought back to life by Shenlong. He can't revive the same person twice.

The only reason the current arc is happening is because Goku got mugged and a bullet scratched him.

[ChaosLordBrandon]

Are we talking about from beginning to the current arc, because as much as I like Super, I would changed a lot of shit:
- Have Vegeta turn SSJ3 when Beerus slaps Bulma
- Scrap the Namekian Book Of Legends nonsense, unless that plan is that will lead to Piccolo getting a power up from it (A point I will refer to later)
- Scrap the bullshit 10% line Beerus gave
- Vegeta does the Super Saiyan God ritual after Battle Of Gods arc ends
- Explain how God ki works when Goku and Vegeta train with Whis (I can't stress this enough. Half of the issues I have with Super are tied to this. And the power scaling became an almighty mess because of the lack of explanation for this).
- Freeza destroys Namek and the Namekian Dragon Balls before arriving to Earth in the Resurrection F arc
- Have Freeza train for more than four months and train with Tagoma and Shisami, leading them to becoming much more powerful
- Gohan doesn't lose his Ultimate Power-Up/Form
- None of the Ginyu(Frog) swapping bodies with Tagoma bollocks happens, as it adds nothing to the story and is anticlimactic as hell
- Tagoma lives and is killed by Gohan and Shisami is taken down by Piccolo in hard battles
- Yamcha joins in fighting Freeza's army
- The whole "Krillin needs confidence to defeat Freeza's mooks" bullshit angle never happens
- Goku actually dies from the Sorbet's Laser Ring and is happens in his base form.
- When Whis rewinds time, change it so that he can't rewind the moments of Goku's death and have a team attack from Ultimate Gohan, Piccolo, Krillin, Tien and Yamcha killing Final Form Freeza
- Have Goku's death lead up to the cast needing find a way to bring him back to life as Namek is gone and Goku was already brought back to life with Shenron once. This can wonderfully lead into the introduction of the Super Dragon Balls which the cast will need to bring him back to life. This will make the Universe 6/7 Tournament feel like it has more stakes and meaning and feel like less of throwaway tournament.
- Have Gohan train with Whis (To learn how to tap into God Ki) and King Kai (To learn the Kaioken)
- If the Namekian Book Of Legends is going to be a plot point, use for the means of Piccolo discovering an ancient Namekian method of him becoming stronger. You can even throw in a new outfit as a bonus.
- Each Universe 6 fighter has an episode dedicated them for building up their character and learning more about their background
- Swap in Gohan for Goku's place for the Universe 6/7 Tournament, thereby making him more relevant to the story. And have everything pan in the tournament as it did in the anime/manga, concluding with the cast using the Super Dragon Balls to revive Goku.
- The stupid Copy Vegeta/Monaka arc never happens
- Scrap the whole Time Paradox bullshit that plagued the narrative of the Future Trunks arc and made Goku Black's origins nonsensical
- Give Future Trunks SSJ3 because I can't stand the idea that SSJ2 Future Trunks can given SSJ3 Goku a run for his money
- Have the Mafuba actually seal Future Zamasu leading to Goku Black to break the Mafuba Jar and release him
- Have Future Trunks train with Whis or Vegeata in the ROSAT so that his Super Saiyan Rage transformation has more of basis for existing
- Merged Zamasu take no damage from anyone until he battles SSJB Vegetto
- The SSJB Vegetto/Merged Zamasu fight lasts 10 more minutes
- Have Goku gather the energy for Genki Dama and then channels the energy into Future Trunks' sword as he uses it to kill Merged Zamasu

I'm fine with how the current arc is progressing. So I wouldn't change it that much.

what about Goku's relation ship with Zamasu, Black, Hit, Beerus and Gowasu?

what does Vegeta turning ssj3 even do? infact that would be a major ass pull just like how SSrage was.

Also they only have to wait a couple of months just to bring goku back with dende dragon balls any ways, so the u6 arc still has no stakes. the only tournament that had real stakes in db was the current one and the one with Piccolo, the 23 one if I recall it right. and none of the characters in any of the tournements in DB or DBZ besides the main cast had any episode focused on them besides Nam.

And there is a lot things which do not even make it the same series if half of this stuff happpened.

Goku fight with Hit and becoming friends with Hit and Zeno it legit the only reason why this current is happening.

Instead of the whole time paradox/stable loop deal. I'd just have Zamasu find a way of cloning himself. And that clone travel to another timeline (Future Trunks).

At that point I think I'd toss Vegeta a bone and give him SSJ3. Why not?

Goku has already been brought back to life by Shenlong. He can't revive the same person twice.

The only reason the current arc is happening is because Goku got mugged and a bullet scratched him.

King Yemma.

[Totamo]

You know, did Goku care about what freeza would do after he let him go?

Did you know I've read this argument literally dozens of times and disagree fully that Goku's cavalier attitude toward letting opponents go differs from the level of regret he might feel in being complicit in the extermination of multiple universes?

A character can be mostly selfish and naive to a fault without being a complete sociopath. I'd argue the first two consistently characterize Goku in the manga while the latter does not.

That's not what I was implying.

Freeza was basically space gengis khan and Goku was going to let him roam free. If Freeza never went back to Earth and just carried on his business, how would Goku look to you?


Besides, we both know nothing is going to happen and the universes will be fine or do you really think they are going through with this?

[Cipher]

That's not what I was implying.

Freeza was basically space gengis khan and Goku was going to let him roam free. If Freeza never went back to Earth and just carried on his business, how would Goku look to you?

Besides, we both know nothing is going to happen and the universes will be fine or do you really think they are going through with this?

The implication is that Goku hasn't cared about the repercussions of his actions in the past, he wouldn't care about them in this different situation now, right? That's where I disagree.

And no, I don't think the arc will actually end with the permanent erasure of seven universes. As far as Goku and all the other characters know right now, though, it will. Their current reactions are what I take issue with.

[Totamo]

That's not what I was implying.

Freeza was basically space gengis khan and Goku was going to let him roam free. If Freeza never went back to Earth and just carried on his business, how would Goku look to you?

Besides, we both know nothing is going to happen and the universes will be fine or do you really think they are going through with this?

The implication is that Goku hasn't cared about the repercussions of his actions in the past, he wouldn't care about them in this different situation now, right? That's where I disagree.

And no, I don't think the arc will actually end with the permanent erasure of seven universes. As far as Goku and all the other characters know right now, though, it will. Their current reactions are what I take issue with.

The implication is that Goku is shortsighted. He doesn't see how bad things could get until they have already gotten that bad.

I want to see how he reacts to destruction before I make that call that he is a sociopath. Until then, we have to wait and see.

[Cipher]

The implication is that Goku is shortsighted. He doesn't see how bad things could get until they have already gotten that bad.

I agree, which is why I though the way he kick-started the arc in episode 77 worked well, but his reaction in the face of immediate consequences (up to and including being called out by possible victims of the situation at the exhibition match) hasn't felt right.

[kinisking]

The implication is that Goku is shortsighted. He doesn't see how bad things could get until they have already gotten that bad.

I agree, which is why I though the way he kick-started the arc in episode 77 worked well, but his reaction in the face of immediate consequences (up to and including being called out by possible victims of the situation at the exhibition match) hasn't felt right.

Even Gohans reactions aren't as serious as Gokus should be. Mr Satan and Beerus are the only characters that give a shit apparently .

[Cipher]

Even Gohans reactions aren't as serious as Gokus should be. Mr Satan and Beerus are the only characters that give a shit apparently .

Even Mr. Satan barely gives a shit. He's like, "Please win!", but he's generally in a pretty good mood.

I've mentioned this in episode threads of yore, but I thought it was absolutely ridiculous that Mr. Satan and Gohan both seemed to be cheering for Goku against Botamo without any hints of internal conflict.

EDIT -- Bergamot, not Botamo. Leaving error in for posterity.