Unspoken Plothole in the Future Trunks Arc

[gohan_black]

in episode 61 zamasu and black blame trunks that his time travel was the reason who made them want to execute the zero mortals plan. however. back to episode 48. trunks escape with the time machine and black dont recognize its a time machine. he thinks its a plane. only in episode 50 when black come to the present he understand its a time machine after hearing the z fighters say it. so in short. black did not know trunks has a time machine prior to episode 50 and therefore his claims that trunks time travel was the main reason that awaken his ''justice'' is simply not true.

[Simere]

Don't have to know what his time machine looks like to know he time traveled.

[Doctor.]

This never made much sense to me. If they know Trunks time travelled, you'd think they'd know what he did it with. Besides that, Black was clearly surprised Trunks even had the ability to time travel at all, not at the time machine.

My guess is that after his journey to the past, he told future Zamasu to investigate it, and they found out about Trunks' time travels through God magic and then just told him it was all his fault to instigate him further into rage.

[Asura]

The time travel stuff in that arc is just an absolute mess. TOEI had to make an info-graph to try and explain everything, but even then it still doesn't all add up.

I mean just look at this, it's barely coherent:

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[emperior]

Zuno probably told Black (when he was still Zamasu) about how a guy named Trunks came from the future and saved him from death with a medicine.

[gohan_black]

Don't have to know what his time machine looks like to know he time traveled.

he did not know he has a time machine up until episode 50

[Simere]

Don't have to know what his time machine looks like to know he time traveled.

he did not know he has a time machine up until episode 50

That quote implies he doesn't recognize that it's a time machine, not necessarily that he doesn't know he has a time machine. Even if it did, also don't have to know he has a time machine to know he time traveled.

[gohan_black]

Don't have to know what his time machine looks like to know he time traveled.

he did not know he has a time machine up until episode 50

That quote implies he doesn't recognize that it's a time machine, not necessarily that he doesn't know he has a time machine. Even if it did, also don't have to know he has a time machine to know he time traveled.

only that black and zamasu did clearly stated in episode 61 the time machine made by humans that trunks used to travel trough time. you dont really think i rushed this post without doing my homework before right?

[Pantheon]

he did not know he has a time machine up until episode 50

That quote implies he doesn't recognize that it's a time machine, not necessarily that he doesn't know he has a time machine. Even if it did, also don't have to know he has a time machine to know he time traveled.

only that black and zamasu did clearly stated in episode 61 the time machine made by humans that trunks used to travel trough time. you dont really think i rushed this post without doing my homework before right?

But this is after Black finds out about the time machine. He didn't know about it initially but later figured out what it was when he went to the past and then he destroyed it.

[gohan_black]

That quote implies he doesn't recognize that it's a time machine, not necessarily that he doesn't know he has a time machine. Even if it did, also don't have to know he has a time machine to know he time traveled.

only that black and zamasu did clearly stated in episode 61 the time machine made by humans that trunks used to travel trough time. you dont really think i rushed this post without doing my homework before right?

But this is after Black finds out about the time machine. He didn't know about it initially but later figured out what it was when he went to the past and then he destroyed it.

in that scene in episode 61 black claim that the time machine was the main reason for him starting the zero mortal plan to begin with. meaning. this was the reason that he did all of this only that dosent make sense cuz he discoverd about it in episode 50 which is more then a year after he appeard on earth.

[MisteryOne]

Black should not even know about Vegeta since he only watched the part of the Champa tournament where Goku fought Hit. That's why he never used Kaioken and was surprised when Goku used it (as Merged Zamasu). The time travel is just a big mess because of trying so hard that Beerus killing Zamasu.

[Pantheon]

only that black and zamasu did clearly stated in episode 61 the time machine made by humans that trunks used to travel trough time. you dont really think i rushed this post without doing my homework before right?

But this is after Black finds out about the time machine. He didn't know about it initially but later figured out what it was when he went to the past and then he destroyed it.

in that scene in episode 61 black claim that the time machine was the main reason for him starting the zero mortal plan to begin with. meaning. this was the reason that he did all of this only that dosent make sense cuz he discoverd about it in episode 50 which is more then a year after he appeard on earth.

we already know why Zamasu turned evil it had nothing to do with Trunks. Black and Zamasu were just tormenting Trunks. They were victim blaming in order to make him despair because they hate him. The show never portrayed this as the truth since we already know that it wasn't. It was always just something to get a rise out of Trunks.

[BlueBasilisk]

I don't think that's really a plothole, it's just roundabout because of the causal paradox. Keep in mind that Black is the same Zamasu that Goku would later go on to fight, just from further in the timeline. He's already seen the result of Trunks' time travelling shenanigans, which is the fight with Goku, leading to where they are now. Following Trunks back in time and meeting Goku like he did probably let Black figure out the chain of logic back to the root cause. He doesn't start blaming Trunks and calling him a sinner until after going to the past. The nature of the paradox is that Trunks only goes back because Black ruins his timeline, which only happens because Trunks goes back in time because of Black in the first place. But he's so drunk on his own righteousness that he absolves himself of all the blame.

[Simere]

he did not know he has a time machine up until episode 50

That quote implies he doesn't recognize that it's a time machine, not necessarily that he doesn't know he has a time machine. Even if it did, also don't have to know he has a time machine to know he time traveled.

only that black and zamasu did clearly stated in episode 61 the time machine made by humans that trunks used to travel trough time. you dont really think i rushed this post without doing my homework before right?

It would be rude of me if I were to say yes... You seem to be rushing your replies at any rate. What you just quoted doesn't prove he already knew what a time machine was at the time he said he didn't recognize it.

To demonstrate a plot hole you need to show all of these things:

A) That he knew Trunks time travel

B) That he traveled with a time machine

C) That he knew what the time machine looks like

If and only if all these things are demonstrated can you say it's a plot hole for him to not recognize the time machine. A is already assumed by his claim, so you just have to prove B and C, which you have not done.

[gohan_black]

But this is after Black finds out about the time machine. He didn't know about it initially but later figured out what it was when he went to the past and then he destroyed it.

in that scene in episode 61 black claim that the time machine was the main reason for him starting the zero mortal plan to begin with. meaning. this was the reason that he did all of this only that dosent make sense cuz he discoverd about it in episode 50 which is more then a year after he appeard on earth.

we already know why Zamasu turned evil it had nothing to do with Trunks. Black and Zamasu were just tormenting Trunks. They were victim blaming in order to make him despair because they hate him. The show never portrayed this as the truth since we already know that it wasn't. It was always just something to get a rise out of Trunks.

i dont know it dident seem like they were just bluffing.

[FortuneSSJ]

Not a plothole.

Black/Zamasu knew about FT Trunks time travel because of the green Time Rings. Every time a parallel world is created, a green Time Ring is created along it.
In the manga they even talked about a guy from an advanced civilization of Universe 12 who used time travel too. That's how they keep humans in check.

Not recognizing a Time Machine doesn't mean he didn't know what FT Trunks did in the past.
But more than anything, in that scene Black/Zamasu wanted to shove down FT Trunks throat how he went against the laws of Universe and he had to take the blame for it.

[Cipher]

Black would logically know about Trunks' time travel from his "Tell me everything about Son Goku" moment with Zuno, right? Kind of difficult to provide Goku's life story leaving that incident out.

He wouldn't necessarily know what the time machine looks like or think to remember it as Trunks was escaping.

[gohan_black]

Black would logically know about Trunks' time travel from his "Tell me everything about Son Goku" moment with Zuno, right? Kind of difficult to provide Goku's life story leaving that incident out.

He wouldn't necessarily know what the time machine looks like or think to remember it as Trunks was escaping.

here is the scene where goku black discover FOR THE FIRST TIME. that trunks time traveling. saying in a suprised voice. he did not knew about trunks time travel prior to episode 50

[Lord Frieza]

Maybe they just forgot?

Zamasu learned everything about Goku from Zuno and they only had the one talk a while ago. Just saying most of us struggle to remember every detail of one conversation after some time has passed unless an event triggers your memory or you have time to site and reflect about it over a nice cup of tea.

[Yomi]

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I believe you are grasping at straws. Let's say Black doesn't know what a time machine looks like, Trunks suddenly goes in a "plane" and disappears. 2 minutes later he see's his time ring activate. then says the line "so it WAS time travel". I don't see how that's a plot hole.

You wanted him to make that assumption much earlier? Does he look surprised? Like "OMG!!! TRUNKS CAN TIME TRAVEL?!?!?!KJKJ"