Strongest Z Fighters

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Strongest Z Fighters

Post by PiccoloG » Mon May 22, 2017 4:23 pm

How would you rank the Z fighters (non-fused) as of now in terms of power level.
1) Goku
2) Vegeta
3) Future Trunks
4) Gohan
5) 17
6) Piccolo
7) Buu
8) 18
9) Trunks
10) Goten
11) Krillin
12) Tien
13) Yamcha
14) Chaiotzu
15) Roshi

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Re: Strongest Z Fighters

Post by TheZFighter » Mon May 22, 2017 4:28 pm

I'd like to think Tien would be above Krillin personally but wouldn't be surprised at all if he isn't. Can't really argue with your list.
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Re: Strongest Z Fighters

Post by MagmonKai » Mon May 22, 2017 4:38 pm

There's a thread about this already.

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Re: Strongest Z Fighters

Post by Israelite Wolfman » Tue May 23, 2017 5:47 am

PiccoloG wrote:How would you rank the Z fighters (non-fused) as of now in terms of power level.
Here are my ranking as of Dragon Ball Super episode 91:

1) Goku
2) Vegeta
3) Gohan (Mystic again)
4) Future Trunks
5) Majin Buu (Slim Form)
6) Android 17
7) Piccolo
8 ) Android 18
9) Trunks (when in SSJ, I believe his base form is weaker than Yamcha)
10) Goten (when in SSJ, ")
11) Krillin
12) Tien
13) Yamcha
14) Chiaotzu
15) Roshi (Yurin's spell made him FAR FAR STRONGER than what he truly is).

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Re: Strongest Z Fighters

Post by PiccoloG » Tue May 23, 2017 7:13 am

Israelite Wolfman wrote:
PiccoloG wrote:How would you rank the Z fighters (non-fused) as of now in terms of power level.
Here are my ranking as of Dragon Ball Super episode 91:

1) Goku
2) Vegeta
3) Gohan (Mystic again)
4) Future Trunks
5) Majin Buu (Slim Form)
6) Android 17
7) Piccolo
8 ) Android 18
9) Trunks (when in SSJ, I believe his base form is weaker than Yamcha)
10) Goten (when in SSJ, ")
11) Krillin
12) Tien
13) Yamcha
14) Chiaotzu
15) Roshi (Yurin's spell made him FAR FAR STRONGER than what he truly is).
Just a few things to ask you,
Do you really believe Yamcha (Captain Ginyu level at best) is stronger than base Trunks & Goten? (This includes the fact they have been to ROSAT & had zenkai since) Judging by your picture, you seem like a Yamcha fan, but come on seriously?

The rest of your assumptions look logical enough though, but I would still put Super Saiyan Rage Future Trunks above current level Mystic Gohan (FTR Trunks went toe to toe with Merged Zamasu), Mystic Gohan can be argued to be SSB Goku at best and Merged Zamasu>>>SSB Goku
Yh ok I guess there can be an argument that Slim Buu is above Piccolo & 17, I was considering fat buu,

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Re: Strongest Z Fighters

Post by wolflonnie » Tue May 23, 2017 7:18 am

1) Goku
2) Vegeta
3) Future Trunks
4) Gohan
5) 17
6) Piccolo
7) Buu
8 ) Trunks
9) Goten
10) 18
11) Krillin
12) Roshi
13) Tien
14) Yamcha
15) Chiaotzu

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Re: Strongest Z Fighters

Post by Israelite Wolfman » Tue May 23, 2017 8:32 am

PiccoloG wrote:Do you really believe Yamcha (Captain Ginyu level at best) is stronger than base Trunks & Goten?
Yes, and who said he was "Captain Ginyu level at best"? any official source? You? stop being such a Noob and look at Yamcha's performances throughout the franchise against much stronger than Captain Ginyu-tier (or final form Frieza from Namek) rivals:

* Cell Jrs. - SURVIVED and in the anime managed to beat one of them for a short while alongside Tien while going serious to save Goku.
* Super Perfect Cell - "anime only", keeps getting on his feet and assisting SSJ Gohan despite being leagues weaker than the Bio Android.
* Olibu & Winged Gorila - both are "anime only" yet Olibu was able to stretch Pikkon (with weighted clothing) for a while, Yamcha defeated them with ease.
* Krillin - "anime only", once being killed by Super Buu Yamcha regained his passion for fighting and was almost equal to "The Strongest Earthling". Once Vegito was turned into candy King Kai freaked out and wanted to send Krillin and Yamcha to Earth to replace Goku and Vegeta, implying they were: "His NEXT best fighters".
* Kid Buu - Krillin and Yamcha managed to stay the longest on their feet out of all of the Grand Kai's Planet, with even Pikkon (who one-shotted Super Perfect Cell in another filler) stayed down.

While in Super Yamcha doesn't fought so far, he did managed to withstand melee from BOTH [Saiyan beyond God] Vegeta and God of Destruction Champa without dying which I'd doubt first form Frieza from the Namek Saga (more than 4 times Ginyu's 120,000) can do.

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Re: Strongest Z Fighters

Post by PiccoloG » Tue May 23, 2017 8:45 am

Israelite Wolfman wrote:
PiccoloG wrote:Do you really believe Yamcha (Captain Ginyu level at best) is stronger than base Trunks & Goten?
Yes, and who said he was "Captain Ginyu level at best"? any official source? You? stop being such a Noob and look at Yamcha's performances throughout the franchise against much stronger than Captain Ginyu-tier (or final form Frieza from Namek) rivals:

* Cell Jrs. - SURVIVED and in the anime managed to beat one of them for a short while alongside Tien while going serious to save Goku.
* Super Perfect Cell - "anime only", keeps getting on his feet and assisting SSJ Gohan despite being leagues weaker than the Bio Android.
* Olibu & Winged Gorila - both are "anime only" yet Olibu was able to stretch Pikkon (with weighted clothing) for a while, Yamcha defeated them with ease.
* Krillin - "anime only", once being killed by Super Buu Yamcha regained his passion for fighting and was almost equal to "The Strongest Earthling". Once Vegito was turned into candy King Kai freaked out and wanted to send Krillin and Yamcha to Earth to replace Goku and Vegeta, implying they were: "His NEXT best fighters".
* Kid Buu - Krillin and Yamcha managed to stay the longest on their feet out of all of the Grand Kai's Planet, with even Pikkon (who one-shotted Super Perfect Cell in another filler) stayed down.

While in Super Yamcha doesn't fought so far, he did managed to withstand melee from BOTH [Saiyan beyond God] Vegeta and God of Destruction Champa without dying which I'd doubt first form Frieza from the Namek Saga (more than 4 times Ginyu's 120,000) can do.
Ok you are giving Yamcha way too much credit here. His last real "major" one on one fight in db universe was against a saibaman. Let's analyse what he has done since.
Ok he beat Recoome during the battle at King Kai's (though it was filler) but was completely useless against Gero during the Androids arc where he literally got one-shotted (Gero can be argued to be around the same league as Namek Frieza).
The Cell Jrs he was defending well, but he wasn't actually giving them a good fight like Future Trunks or Vegeta were. Plus, you had Piccolo intervening and helping the likes Tien, Krillin, injured Goku and Yamcha himself, so please don't argue he was on par with a Cell Jr, that would be an insult to Vegeta & FTR Trunks at the time.
Super Perfect Cell, well everyone was attacking Cell from behind during the beam struggle but it made no difference to Cell and no one really did anything to him significantly until Vegeta intervened. Hell even Roshi could have joined in if he was there and had the same impact as Yamcha.

About Majin Buu, King Kai said he wanted to send Krillin & Yamcha if Goku & Vegeta were down because there would be no one of significant strength left. Gohan, Piccolo, Trunks & Goten were all absorbed and so it would be down to fodder like the humans to do something. That does not mean Yamcha was not even remotely close to a power like Buu's, its just they would be extremely limited in options.

As for Super, he has done nothing, so there is literally no evidence he is even near Trunks & Goten's base power, let alone stronger. BTW Remember, pre-ROSAT Trunks & Goten in their base gave 18 a good fight at the tournament, so if you said Yamcha was stronger than the boys then you would be saying he is on a similar league to 18?

Fine I'll push it and say Yamcha, as of super, is of first form Frieza level at Namek, and that is being extremely generous given the fact that he is a waste of fighter right now!

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Re: Strongest Z Fighters

Post by Lord Beerus » Tue May 23, 2017 10:30 am

1. Goku
2. Vegeta
3. Gohan
4. Future Trunks
5. Android 17
6. Buu
7. Piccolo
8. Trunks
9. Goten
10. Android 18
11. Krillin
12. Tien
13. Roshi
14. Yamcha
15. Chaiotzu

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Re: Strongest Z Fighters

Post by Shinda Forever » Tue May 23, 2017 10:50 am

1) Goku
2) Vegeta
3)Android 17

4) Majin Buu (Slim Form)
5) Gohan (Mystic again)
6) Future Trunks

7) Piccolo
8 ) Android 18
9) Trunks (when in SSJ, ")

10) Goten (when in SSJ, ")
11) Krillin
12) Roshi

13) Yamcha
14) Tenshinhan
15) Chiaotzu
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Re: Strongest Z Fighters

Post by Rubens » Tue May 23, 2017 10:57 am

My list is probably more like how I think it should be, or rather how I would like it to be:
[spoiler]1. Goku
2. Vegeta
3. Gohan
4. Majin Boo
5. Trunks (future)
6. Piccolo
7. #17
8. Trunks
9. Goten
10. #18
11. Kuririn
12. Tenshinhan
13. Yamcha
14. Chaozu
15. Muten Roshi

Quick note: I'm taking in account their overall power, not just their "base".

If I was going for how I think they stand judging from what I watch:

1. Goku
2. Vegeta
3. Gohan
4. #17
5. Majin Boo
6. Trunks (future)
7. Piccolo
8. #18
9. Trunks
10. Goten
11. Kuririn
12. Tenshinhan
13. Muten Roshi
14. Yamcha
15. Chaozu[/spoiler]
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Re: Strongest Z Fighters

Post by Basako » Tue May 23, 2017 11:13 am

Goku
Vegeta
Freeza
Gohan
Boo
Trunks (future)
Piccolo
Kibito
Shin
17
18
Trunks
Goten
Krilin
Tenshinhan
Roshi
Yamcha
Chaoz
Yajirobe
Jaco
Videl
Satan

I include retired fighters and ocasional allies.
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Re: Strongest Z Fighters

Post by Lapislettuce » Tue May 23, 2017 12:25 pm

1-Goku
2-Vegeta
3-17
4-Future Trunks
5-Gohan
6-Piccolo
7-18
8-Trunks
9-Goten
10-Krillin
11-Tien
12-ROshi
and others
(ps i can't believe people keep downplaying 17 below Piccolo funny)

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Re: Strongest Z Fighters

Post by SansrivaaL » Tue May 23, 2017 12:33 pm

Goku
Vegeta
Future Trunks
17
Gohan
Boo
Piccolo
18
Trunks
Goten
Krillin
Roshi
Tien
Yamcha

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Re: Strongest Z Fighters

Post by Beyond » Tue May 23, 2017 12:48 pm

I'll make two lists. The first is what it is now. The second what I think it will be at the end.

First List:
Goku
Vegeta
Gohan
17
Massive Gap
Buu
Piccolo
big gap
18
Trunks
Goten
medium gap
Krillin
Roshi
Tien

Second List:
Goku/Gohan
Vegeta
17
18
Massive gap
Piccolo
Trunks
Goten
??? gap
Krillin
Roshi
Tien

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Re: Strongest Z Fighters

Post by precita » Tue May 23, 2017 1:56 pm

People placing Roshi above Tenshinhan and Yamcha makes me sick. There is no way Roshi can be stronger than characters who trained under King Kai, can actually fly, and surpassed him a long time ago by the end of Dragonball.

I know Super has shown Roshi to be stronger than he was in DBZ, but there is no way he could get that much more powerful.

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Re: Strongest Z Fighters

Post by Akyon » Tue May 23, 2017 2:59 pm

Vegetto
Goku
Vegeta
Gohan
Future Trunks
Gotenks
Buu
17/Piccolo
Piccolo/17
18
Trunks/Goten
Goten/Trunks
Krillin
Tenshinhan
Yamcha
Roshi(as of super)
Pan
Yajirobe
Chiaoutzu/Jaco
Jaco/Chiaoutzu
Bulla
Chi-Chi
Ox King
Videl
Mr. Satan
Bulma
Puar/Oolong/Turtle/Pilaf/Mai/Shu

No idea where to put current Uub. Maybe around Yamcha pre-training?
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Re: Strongest Z Fighters

Post by Beyond » Tue May 23, 2017 3:05 pm

precita wrote:People placing Roshi above Tenshinhan and Yamcha makes me sick. There is no way Roshi can be stronger than characters who trained under King Kai, can actually fly, and surpassed him a long time ago by the end of Dragonball.

I know Super has shown Roshi to be stronger than he was in DBZ, but there is no way he could get that much more powerful.
17 went from equal with Piccolo and know he can finger flick him. Roshi went from weaker than Tienshinan and now he can beat him with a named attack. It happens. :cry:

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Re: Strongest Z Fighters

Post by Lapislettuce » Tue May 23, 2017 3:21 pm

Akyon wrote:Vegetto
Goku
Vegeta
Gohan
Future Trunks
Gotenks
Buu
17/Piccolo
Piccolo/17
18
Trunks/Goten
Goten/Trunks
Krillin
Tenshinhan
Yamcha
Roshi(as of super)
Pan
Yajirobe
Chiaoutzu/Jaco
Jaco/Chiaoutzu
Bulla
Chi-Chi
Ox King
Videl
Mr. Satan
Bulma
Puar/Oolong/Turtle/Pilaf/Mai/Shu

No idea where to put current Uub. Maybe around Yamcha pre-training?
Umm out of curiosity why is 17 so low in your list ? lol

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Re: Strongest Z Fighters

Post by Lapislettuce » Tue May 23, 2017 3:22 pm

precita wrote:People placing Roshi above Tenshinhan and Yamcha makes me sick. There is no way Roshi can be stronger than characters who trained under King Kai, can actually fly, and surpassed him a long time ago by the end of Dragonball.

I know Super has shown Roshi to be stronger than he was in DBZ, but there is no way he could get that much more powerful.
Tien is obviously stronger than Roshi but Roshi being above Yamcha isn't that hard to swallow since Yamcha hasn't fought or trained for ages and we know Saiyans and humans get weaker from lack of training.

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