Super Saiyans and Chakra (A new way of looking at things).

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Super Saiyans and Chakra (A new way of looking at things).

Post by cheddarsword » Tue May 30, 2017 12:24 am

After the most recent episode of Super, I'm sure many of us are either intrigued or saying "oh brother" with the new information about how Super Saiyan is triggered. I for one am rather intrigued.

I watched a video on Youtube a few weeks ago. One from Gaijin Goomba, where he talked about Naruto's link to Bhudism through the use of Chakra. Rather educational I must say.

In the video, He shows images of Chakra points in the body and interestingly enough, the different points are represented by colors.

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If you notice the Yellow chackra's location and definition, it actually makes sense. Fire and Ego, along with being located in the middle of the body. But let's take it a step further. You might be thinking, "Middle of the body, but not between the shoulder blades." and you might be right, but not every chakra chart shows the same thing.

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If THIS image is to be believed, then it makes even more sense. Now you may be thinking something else. "If this is truly how it's been done ever since Goku did it back on Namek, then how did he find the right spot? Luck?" Nope. Not luck. Though not an image relating directly to chakra, I believe this may explain something.

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Some of the feelings of anger generate in the lower torso region. RIght where the stomach is located. According to this image, these organs are linked to the general area of the spine where the energy must gather for the Super Saiyan transformation to occur. It would be no far stretch to imagine the energy flowing between these areas could trigger it. Or at the very least, energy gathering in the stomach region overflowing to the point of reaching the "SS trigger point".

Now you may be thinking "Okay, but if red is SSG and blue is SSB, then the power scaling is off!" except, this isn't about the placement of the colors. That doesn't matter here. Whatever is stronger, is simply stronger. Some simply are. That being said, take a look here:

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Yellow:

I stand up for myself
I express myself in a powerful way
I feel my own power



Red:

I am connected to my body
I am open to possibilities
I am grateful for all the challenges that helped me to grown and transform
I stand for my values, for truth and for justice



Light blue:

I am at peace



Red SS4:

I feel deeply rooted
I am connected to my body
I have what I need
I am trounded, stable, standing on my own two feet.
I trust myself



Now for Broly and Kale, I've thought about their situation quite a bit. I just couldn't fit them into the Green color category one bit. It deals with the heart, loving and being loved. But then it struck me. They do fit, but only if some things are inverted:

Green:

I am wanted and loved inverts to: No one wants me, they all hate me
All love resides in my heart inverts to: All hate resides in my heart
I accept things as they are inverts to: I will destroy everything that annoys me
I am connected with other beings


These are still matters relating to the heart though, and as such, mesh with both of these green haired warriors, sometimes in an inverted way.

At this time, I am still working out Super Saiyan Rose, but I at least know this much. Some depictions of the Crown chakra display it as either pink or white. Why the Crown chakra is important is due to it's relationship with a sense of divinity, as Zamasu was not only a divine being, but also strongly identified himself as such. If Pink, then he need only channel through that chakra point alone, but if white, then he would have to channel through both the Crown AND Root chakra points.

It doesn't help that most of these charts are rather inconsistent. I also tried looking up some 12 chakra point charts, but they only make matters worse.

Most 7 point charts though, depict the Crown as either purple or dark purple. At which point, he would have to be using multiple chakra points for the color to be correct. And if you think about it like that, It still becomes possible, as all but the Root chakra point has an affirmation about being peaceful, which is rather interesting, because the literal translation of the word Zamasu, is "To calm down".


I would really appreciate some more input on this. I think there's too much evidence to just call it all a coincidence at this point.
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Re: Super Saiyans and Chakra (A new way of looking at things).

Post by DBZ Macky » Tue May 30, 2017 1:00 am

First of all, this is an amazing post. Nice find.
cheddarsword wrote: The only thing that I can see as of now that throws this off a bit is Broly and Kale's green tinted hair. I can see some links, but I'm not sure it's enough.

Thoughts?
You could interpret that as Broly trying to accept everything. He wants to be open to love and accept himself, but he doesn't have anything else except his overwhelming power. He wants to be loved and wanted by someone, but his father is a vengeful asshole and doesn't actually care about him. He wants to be grateful to the challenges that made him what he is. But he can't, because he had the power from his birth, and Paragus is just exploiting him. Finally, he just accepts it all and just loses it, attaining his highly unstable "legendary" SS form.

Broly was very different from other Saiyans, but the way he was banished at birth, stabbed as a kid, and nurtured to be an instrument of revenge must have really disturbed him and his psychological growth, making him a psychopath brute who holds power above everything else.
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Re: Super Saiyans and Chakra (A new way of looking at things).

Post by Generico Garbagio » Tue May 30, 2017 9:26 am

Wait. So does that mean that Goku went Super Saiyan God with his butt? Bonus points because a bunch of other people had to transfer their energy to him.

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Post by cheddarsword » Tue May 30, 2017 12:25 pm

Generico Garbagio wrote:Wait. So does that mean that Goku went Super Saiyan God with his butt? Bonus points because a bunch of other people had to transfer their energy to him.
Hmm... seems... legit?

...Actually, it kinda makes sense. Remember, that's where saiyan tails should be.

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Post by Generico Garbagio » Tue May 30, 2017 12:55 pm

cheddarsword wrote:...Actually, it kinda makes sense. Remember, that's where saiyan tails should be.
With all the powering up I guess they should watch out for Super Saiyan hemorrhoids.

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Post by cheddarsword » Tue May 30, 2017 6:46 pm

Generico Garbagio wrote:
cheddarsword wrote:...Actually, it kinda makes sense. Remember, that's where saiyan tails should be.
With all the powering up I guess they should watch out for Super Saiyan hemorrhoids.
"I've used Blue too much, I'm gonna have to use Super Saiyan God! Ugh, but the last time i did, Chichi wouldn't stop telling me about how bad it made my pants smell!"

I swear, I had nothing butt good intentions when I made this thread. I can't help it if the facts point to such things!

In all seriousness though, another thing to think about is this. Super Saiyan 4 fur is red as well, and the form can only be achieved if the user can achieve the Great Ape form, which requires either both a tail and the user to look at the item emitting the blutz waves, or for the saiyan to be flooded with them outright.

This just keeps getting more and more interesting!

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Post by Generico Garbagio » Tue May 30, 2017 6:49 pm

cheddarsword wrote:In all seriousness though, another thing to think about is this. Super Saiyan 4 fur is red as well, and the form can only be achieved if the user can achieve the Great Ape form, which requires either both a tail and the user to look at the item emitting the blutz waves, or for the saiyan to be flooded with them outright.
Even more confirmed because GT is the hemorrhoids of Dragon Ball.

But your arguments make sense too.

If you did read it please tell me how.

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Post by cheddarsword » Tue May 30, 2017 6:54 pm

Generico Garbagio wrote:
cheddarsword wrote:In all seriousness though, another thing to think about is this. Super Saiyan 4 fur is red as well, and the form can only be achieved if the user can achieve the Great Ape form, which requires either both a tail and the user to look at the item emitting the blutz waves, or for the saiyan to be flooded with them outright.
Even more confirmed because GT is the hemorrhoids of Dragon Ball.

But your arguments make sense too.
Haha! I agree completely with these statements!

SS4 is cool though. Best thing in GT, even if it came about in an odd way.

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Re: Super Saiyans and Chakra (A new way of looking at things).

Post by Saturnine » Wed May 31, 2017 5:28 am

I'm actually happy that you used the term "chakra" correctly. After Naruto that's a rare luxury, Kishimoto completely butchered the concept by using the name for what's supposed to be prana.

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Post by cheddarsword » Wed May 31, 2017 12:27 pm

Saturnine wrote:I'm actually happy that you used the term "chakra" correctly. After Naruto that's a rare luxury, Kishimoto completely butchered the concept by using the name for what's supposed to be prana.
The video helped, but i also have a fair understanding of how the body's nerves work. In all honesty, the way chakra works isn't to far off from things like reflexology. In fact, I think acupuncture is meant to work with the nerves, but in some circles, it is used to open up the body's chakra points.

I myself use reflexology to great effect, so I'm no stranger to this kind of thing.

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Post by cheddarsword » Thu Jun 01, 2017 1:15 am

Sorry to double post, but I wanted to signal that I had updated the first post with more thoughts, this time covering Broly, Kale and Super Saiyan Rose.

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Post by Generico Garbagio » Fri Jun 02, 2017 6:03 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1CDyXzIXY4

MasakoX did a video on it now. Hehe... You beat him to it. :)

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Post by cheddarsword » Fri Jun 02, 2017 7:09 pm

Generico Garbagio wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1CDyXzIXY4

MasakoX did a video on it now. Hehe... You beat him to it. :)
Yeah, I watched it earlier. He does a better job explaining it all than I do, but I also cover SS4, he doesn't. I linked this topic in a comment I made on his video. I guess we'll see if that becomes anything.

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