Female Saiyans and Super Saiyan

[Lord Frieza]

Ok their have been a lot of threads about why Caulifla and even Kale are able to transform and power up so quickly even compared to the likes of Cabba and I was wondering....

Could it just be that female saiyans are just naturally better at all this Super Saiyan stuff then the guys?

[Basaku]

Doesn't seem to be. Caulifla is suppoused to be exceptionally gifted fighter and Kale's got the whole inner-LSSJ-monster twist, the show makes it rather specific that both are more so special cases than the norm for female or both male/female U6 Saiyans

[Zephyr]

I don't see how they went any quicker than Cabba. Or, for that matter, Goten and Trunks.

[Lord Frieza]

I don't see how they went any quicker than Cabba. Or, for that matter, Goten and Trunks.

Trunks and Goten are the decedents of super saiyans and Cabba had to be pushed by Vegeta. Caulifla has jumped to SS and SS2 in the blink of an eye. Cabba is now the weakest of the three and it happened faster then you can say "Saiyan".

Doesn't seem to be. Caulifla is suppoused to be exceptionally gifted fighter and Kale's got the whole inner-LSSJ-monster twist, the show makes it rather specific that both are more so special cases than the norm for female or both male/female U6 Saiyans

Your probably right, especially with Kale. But I would find it funny that the very power the boys have taken years to master and develop is something girls can do much more easily.

[Zephyr]

I don't see how they went any quicker than Cabba. Or, for that matter, Goten and Trunks.

Trunks and Goten are the decedents of super saiyans and Cabba had to be pushed by Vegeta. Caulifla has jumped to SS and SS2 in the blink of an eye. Cabba is now the weakest of the three and it happened faster then you can say "Saiyan".

Kale had to be pushed as well. Fair points on the rest, though.

[Zagacious]

I don't see how they went any quicker than Cabba. Or, for that matter, Goten and Trunks.

Cabba Going SS
A Saiyan who is naturally very powerful, but has not heard of SS. He is fighting off an opponent possibly 1000x or more stronger than him (SSB Vegeta) who is telling him that he will destroy his planet. This is completely justifiable that he is able to go SS under this stress, especially when Vegeta is basically guiding him.

Caulifla/Kale
Then we have Caulifla.. grunts for a few seconds, focuses energy in her back, and becomes SSJ
Kale struggled, but still got irrationally angry for a few seconds and went LSSJ. This was handled a lot better than Caulifla's.. but becoming an exact copy of Broly kind of ruined it.

Now how do you compare these at all to how Cabba went SSJ.. I don't see it at all, they are drastically different. One has reasonable buildup, the other two do not. They are definitely strong enough to become SSJ, it was just way too rushed and no build up, like they are doing some incredibly common move that they've known for years.Then to top it off Caulifla goes SSJ2.. in probably a time span of an hour or less she has gone SSJ and SSJ2. It's not as if Caulifla was exactly struggling against LSSJ Kale either.. so going SSJ2 for that battle IMO is not really justified either, it wasn't a real battle. I was hoping they would actually struggle to fight LSSJ Kale, but it was basically like there was no battle, Caulifla just dominated effortlessly.

Goten and Trunks going SSJ was not all that ridiculous, in respect to the many things that happened before it:
Goten and Trunks explanation was that they were half saiyans and get power much easier / have more potential. The whole end of Cell saga was trying to prove this by having Gohan and FT stronger than Goku and Vegeta respectively, so Goten and Trunks was hardly just out of nowhere like they are doing now.

There were also a few scenes in the Great Saiyaman saga where young Trunks (Not FT) was shown watching Vegeta come out of training in SS form. Trunks was not surprised by this. This leads to a possible conclusion that he has seen his father in SS many times, possibly for years, making it much easier for Trunks to get it and train it to Goten. When Gohan or someone else mentions that they went SS, Vegeta already knows.

Headcanon reason:
It also makes some sense with how power works in this universe, that Goku and Vegeta would hand down some power capabilities to their sons. If Ki/Energy is a real thing in this universe, then it would make some sense that a new born energy body (Goten/Trunks) who is based on an incredibly strong parent, would be born naturally stronger than if was just born of another random Saiyan.

[Basaku]

Your probably right, especially with Kale. But I would find it funny that the very power the boys have taken years to master and develop is something girls can do much more easily.

Hey, it could make up for an interesting twist and result in a more matriarchal U6 saiyan society with a Queen and all to play off Vegeta's backstory but it wouldn't really fly with the whole "U6 saiyans didn't know about SSJ" thing. If all females could unlock it so easily, there's no chance it wouldn't be known. It can sorta pass if it's only with special cases like Cauli/Kale and that they somehow managed to avoid it happen to them through life, but whole female population would be unplausible.

Though I guess you can argue it's already unplausible that U6 Saiyans never knew about it and no one, not even elite warriors ever in history got mad by accident or circumstance.

[Zagacious]

Your probably right, especially with Kale. But I would find it funny that the very power the boys have taken years to master and develop is something girls can do much more easily.

Hey, it could make up for an interesting twist and result in a more matriarchal U6 saiyan society with a Queen and all to play off Vegeta's backstory but it wouldn't really fly with the whole "U6 saiyans didn't know about SSJ" thing. If all females could unlock it so easily, there's no chance it wouldn't be known. It can sorta pass if it's only with special cases like Cauli/Kale and that they somehow managed to avoid it happen to them through life, but whole female population would be unplausible.

Though I guess you can argue it's already unplausible that U6 Saiyans never knew about it and no one, not even elite warriors ever in history got mad by accident or circumstance.

Especially with how little anger Kale and Caulifla had to have to become SSJ.. it really makes no sense that their society hasn't discovered SSJ accidentally.

[Basaku]

Especially with how little anger Kale and Caulifla had to have to become SSJ.. it really makes no sense that their society hasn't discovered SSJ accidentally.

Yeah :/ At the very least, I think they made a mistake not saving at least one of those transformations for the tournament anyway. Would go with Kale, roll on the unexpected Broly She-Hulk monster eruption halfway through mass fighting instead of making it happen in 1 minute during training episodes. Or make it so that Kale knows about her LSSJ form, but is avoiding anger and stuff on purpouse and never told anyone because she looses control while transformed

[Zagacious]

Especially with how little anger Kale and Caulifla had to have to become SSJ.. it really makes no sense that their society hasn't discovered SSJ accidentally.

Yeah :/ At the very least, I think they made a mistake not saving at least one of those transformations for the tournament anyway. Would go with Kale, roll on the unexpected Broly She-Hulk monster eruption halfway through mass fighting instead of making it happen in 1 minute during training episodes. Or make it so that Kale knows about her LSSJ form, but is avoiding anger and stuff on purpouse and never told anyone because she looses control while transformed

Nah they're saving Caulifla SSB for the tournament xD. I'm joking but I wouldn't be at all surprised...

I bet within 1 episode of Caulifla seeing Goku/Vegeta in SSB, she will go SSG at least

[Basaku]

Nah they're saving Caulifla SSB for the tournament xD. I'm joking but I wouldn't be at all surprised...

Me neither really, she's picking them SSJ forms like berries

Someone mentioned that we will have exactly 6 Saiyans competing in the tournament, makes you wonder if they will pull red-haired SSG for one of them for some reason

[DrakenballP]

I swear if Caulifla becomes SSB in the Tournament I'm done with this show. I don't like her to begin with, but for her to be able to tap into that kind of power. LOL.

[MagmonKai]

I swear if Caulifla becomes SSB in the Tournament I'm done with this show. I don't like her to begin with, but for her to be able to tap into that kind of power. LOL.

You'll be back. This show is like McDonald's. You swear you'll quit it, but you'll just keep coming back because you're addicted to the garbage they sale.

[DrakenballP]

I swear if Caulifla becomes SSB in the Tournament I'm done with this show. I don't like her to begin with, but for her to be able to tap into that kind of power. LOL.

You'll be back. This show is like McDonald's. You swear you'll quit it, but you'll just keep coming back because you're addicted to the garbage they sale.

I was late into watching Super to begin with and even though hooked now, the introduction of the U6 Saiyan's has been entirely off-putting for me. Kale is the only one that peaks my interest. Them doing this would push me over the edge.

[MagmonKai]

I swear if Caulifla becomes SSB in the Tournament I'm done with this show. I don't like her to begin with, but for her to be able to tap into that kind of power. LOL.

You'll be back. This show is like McDonald's. You swear you'll quit it, but you'll just keep coming back because you're addicted to the garbage they sale.

I was late into watching Super to begin with and even though hooked now, the introduction of the U6 Saiyan's has been entirely off-putting for me. Kale is the only one that peaks my interest. Them doing this would push me over the edge.

I'm not interested in them either. I hate their designs, I wish they had discovered SSJ a much different way than what was presented in the show.

[Basaku]

I swear if Caulifla becomes SSB in the Tournament I'm done with this show. I don't like her to begin with, but for her to be able to tap into that kind of power. LOL.

You'll be back. This show is like McDonald's. You swear you'll quit it, but you'll just keep coming back because you're addicted to the garbage they sale.

Nah I think you've just described every fan and fandom

+ 1 on not into their designs though. Sorry Toriyama but out with those stick legs and giant heads, it's clashes awfully with more classically-designed older characters standing right next to U6 saiyans

[MagmonKai]

I swear if Caulifla becomes SSB in the Tournament I'm done with this show. I don't like her to begin with, but for her to be able to tap into that kind of power. LOL.

You'll be back. This show is like McDonald's. You swear you'll quit it, but you'll just keep coming back because you're addicted to the garbage they sale.

Nah I think you've just described every fan and fandom

+ 1 on not into their designs though. Sorry Toriyama but out with those stick legs and giant heads, it's clashes awfully with more classically-designed older characters standing right next to U6 saiyans

I know right! People swear they love the design and "oooh look at Caulifla; isn't she hot," and I'm like dude she looks like she's 12... all of them are like anorexic Saiyan preteens. I think Toriyama should have left them out of the story or did a better job at designing them. I get that they're supposed to have "evolved" differently but damn come on man.

[Basaku]

I know right! People swear they love the design and "oooh look at Caulifla; isn't she hot," and I'm like dude she looks like she's 12... all of them are like anorexic Saiyan preteens. I think Toriyama should have left them out of the story or did a better job at designing them. I get that they're supposed to have "evolved" differently but damn come on man.

I mean, are they even suppoused to evolve that differently? It's debetable whether the dudes at Caulifla's hideout were Saiyans but her brother definitely was and he looked straight of of U7 Saiyan line. Heck, he was suppoused to be barely walking yet still muscular

[TheMikado]

Fan service

[Lord Beerus]

Caulifla is stated to be extremely gifted and talented, So it really shouldn't be much of shock that she can pick up abilities and techniques faster than normal if she has the right incentive and teaching. She's basically U6 version of Son Goku. Once Cabba explained to her how to channel the strength required to become a Super Saiyan, she just needed to power up once into the form before she got the knack of it and could power up innately afterward. It's the same deal with how she became a SSJ2. She just tapped into more strength and powered up more.

Kale's transformation was more of a freak accident, in what was for her, extreme circumstances. This is epitomized with the monstrous SSJ form she turned into.