Goku Black Saga plot-holes keep backfiring in the DBS core

[slamsoze]

Here are some questions about the plot holes from the GOKu Black Saga. I know many will say «come on it is just an anime», but it makes the Core story of the anime weak and inconsistent and destroys the Myth and/or Nerfs the future enemys like the present one from the current saga ToP.

First of all it is stated by Black Goku that he killed every mortal in the other 11 universes.So since Jiren or an other unknown contestant is even more powerfull than Beerus and his realatd GoD how did Goku Black did this.
Secondly if Hit was competitve against Goku in the filler and will be on par in the ToP,how will it be possible since in the U7vsU6 tournament he was equal or a lil bit better than SSBxKaioken Goku and after Goku black saga, Goku and Vegeta went through so much level up form zenkai or from training in the Time Chamber.Even if the zenkai is ineffective for them as it is stated in the manga,after so many big battles it is probable that they have jumped many power levels higher.
And thirdly since the Angel from erased Universes will keep functioning why in G. Blakcs' saga Whis ceased to function cause of Beerus death and how did not Grand Priest didnt notice Zamasus' actions against Gods since he can communicate with every god and angel across the multieverse?

[MisteryOne]

1- Not an issue in the manga since Earth was not the last planet that the Zamasus visited. And applarently it wasn't said that in the anime either so no plothole. It's just that as dissapointing as it sounds Black never faced the Pride Troopers, and in the anime version he didn't even face Hit. So Zamasu's plan would have failed even if Trunks didn't come back in time since he would eventually face a ningen stronger than him. Maybe Future Zamasu's abilities in the manga could help a bit, but I doubt they would manage to beat the mortal stronger than Beerus anyway. Anime Black gets oneshoted by any God tier character.
2- Not an issue in the manga. About the anime, Goku was scrached by a bullet implying he got weaker since the Black arc. It's true however that he had a bullshit zenkai/power up when he against Merged Zamasu with his Kame Hame Ha so he should still be a beast compared to his Champa arc self. I don't get why you think Hit will be equal to him in the ToP trough. That's speculation.
3- This is indeed a giant plothole. I will wait for the manga to see if Grand Priest's abilities is something that Toei made up, but it doesn't change the fact that in both medias Zeno didn't notice the Zero Ningen Plan yet he noticed the tournament between Beerus and Champa. I don't get the angels thing as well. Whis should not be able to be reactivated if Shin or Beerus died and new Gods are not selected.

I would say the anime has another big plothole (ignoring SSIkari) and is the fact that Black knows Vegeta. It doesn't make sense.

[Yedis]

Here are some questions about the plot holes from the GOKu Black Saga. I know many will say «come on it is just an anime», but it makes the Core story of the anime weak and inconsistent and destroys the Myth and/or Nerfs the future enemys like the present one from the current saga ToP.

First of all it is stated by Black Goku that he killed every mortal in the other 11 universes.So since Jiren or an other unknown contestant is even more powerfull than Beerus and his realatd GoD how did Goku Black did this.
Secondly if Hit was competitve against Goku in the filler and will be on par in the ToP,how will it be possible since in the U7vsU6 tournament he was equal or a lil bit better than SSBxKaioken Goku and after Goku black saga, Goku and Vegeta went through so much level up form zenkai or from training in the Time Chamber.Even if the zenkai is ineffective for them as it is stated in the manga,after so many big battles it is probable that they have jumped many power levels higher.
And thirdly since the Angel from erased Universes will keep functioning why in G. Blakcs' saga Whis ceased to function cause of Beerus death and how did not Grand Priest didnt notice Zamasus' actions against Gods since he can communicate with every god and angel across the multieverse?

1. Goku Black and Zamasu only stated they killed all the gods, they never said anything about the mortals in other universes.
2. Jiren is not more powerful than Beerus that's an assumption by some of the fans. However your right in that there are Mortals who are on par with SSB Goku/Vegeta, Black couldn't kill Trunks after 1 year. It is not believable he killed anyone that was that much stronger.
3. Goku and Vegeta don't have a monopoly on improvement. For plot reasons other characters can become stronger. Also Hit wasn't allowed to use all his assassination techniques in the tournament, he was when he fought Goku the 2nd Time.
4. I agree with this point, Grand Priest is capable of peering into a universe at any given moment. But he doesn't notice that all the Kaioshins, Hakaishins, and ANgels are gone. Must have been busy.

[HeroR]

Here are some questions about the plot holes from the GOKu Black Saga. I know many will say «come on it is just an anime», but it makes the Core story of the anime weak and inconsistent and destroys the Myth and/or Nerfs the future enemys like the present one from the current saga ToP.

First of all it is stated by Black Goku that he killed every mortal in the other 11 universes.So since Jiren or an other unknown contestant is even more powerfull than Beerus and his realatd GoD how did Goku Black did this.
Secondly if Hit was competitve against Goku in the filler and will be on par in the ToP,how will it be possible since in the U7vsU6 tournament he was equal or a lil bit better than SSBxKaioken Goku and after Goku black saga, Goku and Vegeta went through so much level up form zenkai or from training in the Time Chamber.Even if the zenkai is ineffective for them as it is stated in the manga,after so many big battles it is probable that they have jumped many power levels higher.
And thirdly since the Angel from erased Universes will keep functioning why in G. Blakcs' saga Whis ceased to function cause of Beerus death and how did not Grand Priest didnt notice Zamasus' actions against Gods since he can communicate with every god and angel across the multieverse?

1. Goku Black and Zamasu only stated they killed all the gods, they never said anything about the mortals in other universes.
2. Jiren is not more powerful than Beerus that's an assumption by some of the fans. However your right in that there are Mortals who are on par with SSB Goku/Vegeta, Black couldn't kill Trunks after 1 year. It is not believable he killed anyone that was that much stronger.
3. Goku and Vegeta don't have a monopoly on improvement. For plot reasons other characters can become stronger. Also Hit wasn't allowed to use all his assassination techniques in the tournament, he was when he fought Goku the 2nd Time.
4. I agree with this point, Grand Priest is capable of peering into a universe at any given moment. But he doesn't notice that all the Kaioshins, Hakaishins, and ANgels are gone. Must have been busy.

That is because Trunks kept hiding from him and managed to escape thanks to the sacrifices of others. He easily almost killed Trunks in their first encounter. It had nothing to do with strength.

As for the Grand Priest, it depends on his level of care. We already know the Grand Priest isn't all seeing since he was shocked but Future Zen'o.

[BlueBasilisk]

Any mortal foe stronger than Goku Black would probably be handled by the immortal Zamasu. Eventually they would be worn down and could be killed.

[emperior]

It was never stated that Black killed all the mortals in the other universes. He just said he already killed countless of humans. Maybe he started from U10 and then moved to U7, and Earth was his last target of the universe. I'm not sure about it but maybe he already also killed every Saiyan, and Trunks was the last one alive, so he must have went to Sadal. Anyways, it's easy to assume that Future Zamasu did most of the humans killing while Black handled the Kaioshins.

You may be right in the part about Daishinkan, that could be a plot-hole. Unless Daishinkan also deactivates when all the angels cease to function. By the way he doesn't need to always watch what the Gods are doing and the show implied many times that it's rare for Gods to meet eachothers. Elder Kai who has lived at least as much as Beerus only visited Zeno's place 3 times in his entire lifetime. It's only recently for the tournament that Gods are meeting regularly.

[Basako]

Was it really established in the anime that the Earth was their last planet? It would be a problem if it was, but as I read in other comments, it wasn't.

In the manga it wasn't. I doubted until now that he was going to be able to fulfill his plans, but since he is able to replicate himself to the infinite, now he has it. They could eliminate all ningens and gods of the six timelines and all their universes quite fast.

About the Daishinkan, angels are supposed to be neutral, they don't fight.

[Animelover5487]

I would say the anime has another big plothole (ignoring SSIkari) and is the fact that Black knows Vegeta. It doesn't make sense.

Black knows about Vegeta through Zuno. Zamasu told Zuno to tell him everything he knows about Goku, after all.

[The_Destroyer]

Like others have stated, Black didn't kill all the mortals in other planets. He did visit a few before going to Earth, but none of them had fighters like Hit or Jiren probably.

[Lord Frieza]

Cant add to much here since everyone has basically shot the holes in the plot holes save the only real one.

I will as this, after the Frieza arc Zenkai stopped being a thing. It didn't exist before that arc and aside from Cell and Black's Super Zenkai it has not once been used since. GT talks about it but gives no definitive proof of it. The only time it ever cropped up for the heroes again was in the Cooler movie. Zenkai was a plot device used to get Goku and Vegeta up to Frieza's level during the arc. Nothing more, nothing less.

Once the Frieza arc was over Zenkai got put in a little box and Goku and the other saiyans went back to good old fashioned training. Infact during the Black arc they steal Gohan's rage boost instead. If Zenkai were still a thing then Vegeta should have been powerful enough to beat Black after he got stabbed by him then healed.

[MisteryOne]

Any mortal foe stronger than Goku Black would probably be handled by the immortal Zamasu. Eventually they would be worn down and could be killed.

I honestly don't see how for example Jiren could be taken out that way. He would keep oneshoting Zamasu over and over. He could even kidnap him and use it as a glorified punching bag when he gets bored. His inmortality doesn't make him invencible at all. Imagine you are Jiren. You oneshot Zamasu. While he's healing you kill the mosquito Black is with another hit. Then, if you can't seal Zamasu away, you keep punching his head until you figure out something like paralyze him or make a prison for him. The Pride Troopers are an organization of the strongest fighters in U11. They would realize something to stop him, or again, just use him as a punching bag. Hit on the other hand doesn't really need to kill Zamasu, and with his timeskip he would not even touch him.

I can see his manga version defeating Hit with the help of Black and his paralysis power. But that's it. No matter if you are inmortal, if you are a joke for the enemy you can't do nothing but get punched over and over and over

[MisteryOne]

I would say the anime has another big plothole (ignoring SSIkari) and is the fact that Black knows Vegeta. It doesn't make sense.

Black knows about Vegeta through Zuno. Zamasu told Zuno to tell him everything he knows about Goku, after all.

Not true at all. He rushed Zuno to tell him only the important things about Goku. I seriously doubt a detailed description of Vegeta is something important for Son Goku's backstory.

[Lord Frieza]

Any mortal foe stronger than Goku Black would probably be handled by the immortal Zamasu. Eventually they would be worn down and could be killed.

I honestly don't see how for example Jiren could be taken out that way. He would keep oneshoting Zamasu over and over. He could even kidnap him and use it as a glorified punching bag when he gets bored. His inmortality doesn't make him invencible at all.

I can see his manga version defeating Hit with the help of Black and his paralysis power. But that's it. No matter if you are inmortal, if you are a joke for the enemy you can't do nothing but get punched over and over and over

Lol it would be like Saitama vs Boros, Jiren punches Zamasu, Zamasu reforms, rinse and repeat.

[Lord Frieza]

I would say the anime has another big plothole (ignoring SSIkari) and is the fact that Black knows Vegeta. It doesn't make sense.

Black knows about Vegeta through Zuno. Zamasu told Zuno to tell him everything he knows about Goku, after all.

Not true at all. He rushed Zuno to tell him only the important things about Goku. I seriously doubt a detailed description of Vegeta is something important for Son Goku's backstory.

Cant agree with that.

Vegeta is the prince of his home world and was a major threat to earth before becoming a long time allie. Even if Zuno did just the cliff notes version of Goku's life, Vegeta would come up at some point.

[MisteryOne]

Black knows about Vegeta through Zuno. Zamasu told Zuno to tell him everything he knows about Goku, after all.

Not true at all. He rushed Zuno to tell him only the important things about Goku. I seriously doubt a detailed description of Vegeta is something important for Son Goku's backstory.

Cant agree with that.

Vegeta is the prince of his home world and was a major threat to earth before becoming a long time allie. Even if Zuno did just the cliff notes version of Goku's life, Vegeta would come up at some point.

And? Vegeta would come out with a description detailed enough for Black to know him the moment he saw him in the present? It doesn't make sense. If anything he would mention that he became friends with Goku. Not describe him physically. And Black recognized him the moment he saw him.

[MisteryOne]

Any mortal foe stronger than Goku Black would probably be handled by the immortal Zamasu. Eventually they would be worn down and could be killed.

I honestly don't see how for example Jiren could be taken out that way. He would keep oneshoting Zamasu over and over. He could even kidnap him and use it as a glorified punching bag when he gets bored. His inmortality doesn't make him invencible at all.

I can see his manga version defeating Hit with the help of Black and his paralysis power. But that's it. No matter if you are inmortal, if you are a joke for the enemy you can't do nothing but get punched over and over and over

Lol it would be like Saitama vs Boros, Jiren punches Zamasu, Zamasu reforms, rinse and repeat.

Pretty much. If anything, considering Zamasu's personality and that Black would have died, Zamasu would become crazy before Jiren became tired. And we don't even know about the mortals in the four remaning universes. Sadly, it looks like Zamasu's plan would have failed in every scenario. If he only waited a couple of arcs more to steal Goku's body

[Lord Frieza]

Not true at all. He rushed Zuno to tell him only the important things about Goku. I seriously doubt a detailed description of Vegeta is something important for Son Goku's backstory.

Cant agree with that.

Vegeta is the prince of his home world and was a major threat to earth before becoming a long time allie. Even if Zuno did just the cliff notes version of Goku's life, Vegeta would come up at some point.

And? Vegeta would come out with a description detailed enough for Black to know him the moment he saw him in the present? It doesn't make sense. If anything he would mention that he became friends with Goku. Not describe him physically. And Black recognized him the moment he saw him.

Well either way the big point in that moments favor is that we dont see it. We dont know how long they talked for or if Zamasu asked questions posed the Goku history lesson.

Zamasu may have asked question like, "Who are his allies" also its possible that he he found out stuff about Goku post the body swap since he took the time to make his new gi as well. Plus we are dealing with time travel and teleportation, meaning Zamasu could find out a lot about Goku in a very short space of time.

Time is quit literally on his side....

Pretty much. If anything, considering Zamasu's personality and that Black would have died, Zamasu would become crazy before Jiren became tired. And we don't even know about the mortals in the four remaning universes. Sadly, it looks like Zamasu's plan would have failed in every scenario. If he only waited a couple of arcs more to steal Goku's body

Yet for all that he can be an impatient punk at times. He wanted that body and he wanted it yesterday.

[Draconic]

Well, talking about the first point, we don't know where all those guys ended up in Trunks' time. Maybe they retired, got weaker, were weaker in the first place, got killed by other people before Zamasu's plan. Toppo might have actually been the God of Destruction of his universe by that point and died with the Kaioshin. And all of that assuming Earth was the last planet in the first place, which I guess it's loosely implied, but not really stated in a definitive way.

Regarding the Grand Priest situation, well, he might not even exist, since Zeno abandoned his place in that timeline pretty easily and came unattended to Earth. Or, he somehow got "deactivated" much like the other angels.

The thing is, Trunks' timeline is so far in the future that anything might have happened in it to facilitate the Zero Humans Plan. And since Zamasu chose it specifically, it's implied from the start that it would be the one holding the highest rate of success. I mean, just look how different Universe 7 got between Raditz' arrival and Trunks' first trip back and that was only about five years. 17 years is three times that and then some!

[GodKaio-Ken]

Not true at all. He rushed Zuno to tell him only the important things about Goku. I seriously doubt a detailed description of Vegeta is something important for Son Goku's backstory.

Cant agree with that.

Vegeta is the prince of his home world and was a major threat to earth before becoming a long time allie. Even if Zuno did just the cliff notes version of Goku's life, Vegeta would come up at some point.

And? Vegeta would come out with a description detailed enough for Black to know him the moment he saw him in the present? It doesn't make sense. If anything he would mention that he became friends with Goku. Not describe him physically. And Black recognized him the moment he saw him.

Maybe he watched some more GodTube.

[slamsoze]

1- Not an issue in the manga since Earth was not the last planet that the Zamasus visited. And applarently it wasn't said that in the anime either so no plothole. It's just that as dissapointing as it sounds Black never faced the Pride Troopers, and in the anime version he didn't even face Hit. So Zamasu's plan would have failed even if Trunks didn't come back in time since he would eventually face a ningen stronger than him. Maybe Future Zamasu's abilities in the manga could help a bit, but I doubt they would manage to beat the mortal stronger than Beerus anyway. Anime Black gets oneshoted by any God tier character.
2- Not an issue in the manga. About the anime, Goku was scrached by a bullet implying he got weaker since the Black arc. It's true however that he had a bullshit zenkai/power up when he against Merged Zamasu with his Kame Hame Ha so he should still be a beast compared to his Champa arc self. I don't get why you think Hit will be equal to him in the ToP trough. That's speculation.
3- This is indeed a giant plothole. I will wait for the manga to see if Grand Priest's abilities is something that Toei made up, but it doesn't change the fact that in both medias Zeno didn't notice the Zero Ningen Plan yet he noticed the tournament between Beerus and Champa. I don't get the angels thing as well. Whis should not be able to be reactivated if Shin or Beerus died and new Gods are not selected.

I would say the anime has another big plothole (ignoring SSIkari) and is the fact that Black knows Vegeta. It doesn't make sense.

Ok for the first i was confused cause i have watched the episode with unofficial subs so it was stated that Buraku killed all ningens. It is also stated like this in XEnoverse 2 DLC story mode,although it is noon-canon. ABout Hit,i agree thats my speculation ,but it would be so inconvenient especially for Hit funs, if they make him irrelevant so early, since there is only one canon saga since he was introduced and co-stared, and the build-up for his power background and potential was so strong. It would be like abondoning a well introduced character.