You think Toriyama has a thing for feisty, obnoxious females?

[Totamo]

Because literally almost every female character in this entire franchise is like this.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

They're called mothers, and every kid can relate to that personality type.

[LightBing]

I believe there's a quote from him saying he can only write strong-willed women. Them being obnoxious is relative.

[TheGreatness25]

I feel like #18 isn't like that... well, she wasn't, I can't speak for how she is now. #18 was cool as a cucumber, she was chill. Pan and Marron (Kuririn's daughter) in Z weren't like that, but I guess they were kids as opposed to "women." If you think about it, the only other main cast females were Bulma, Chichi, and Videl. They all had their moments, but Videl went from being annoying and grumpy to being really cool.

[Bullza]

I actually thought Videl was good back in Dragon Ball Z. They completely ruined her character altogether, now she's just the cutesy mom character who doesn't resemble how she was back then at all.

They could be two completely different characters. I thought Videl was one of the better female characters in the show before they ruined her.

[Hirovoid]

Source: http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/ ... nakatsuru/

Who do you prefer: Bulma or Chi-Chi?
Toriyama:
To be honest, I’m really not fond of Chi-Chi as a character. (laughs) In the middle of the comic, I started to think, “I don’t want to draw her anymore,” and, sort of as a way of spiting myself, I decided, “you’ll have to draw her if she gets married to Goku, so marry them off!” So, I drew her as a kind of punishment. (laughs)

Nakatsuru:
So that was your reason behind it! (laughs)

Toriyama:
The women I draw all have the same sort of personality. I can’t draw gentle girls; I only know how to draw ones who are strong-willed.

[Ki Breaker]

"feisty, obnoxious, females"
There is no need to say the same thing 3 times

[Bruma rabu]

"feisty, obnoxious, females"
There is no need to say the same thing 3 times

Savage!

[TheGreatness25]

Source: http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/ ... nakatsuru/

Who do you prefer: Bulma or Chi-Chi?
Toriyama:
To be honest, I’m really not fond of Chi-Chi as a character. (laughs) In the middle of the comic, I started to think, “I don’t want to draw her anymore,” and, sort of as a way of spiting myself, I decided, “you’ll have to draw her if she gets married to Goku, so marry them off!” So, I drew her as a kind of punishment. (laughs)

Nakatsuru:
So that was your reason behind it! (laughs)

Toriyama:
The women I draw all have the same sort of personality. I can’t draw gentle girls; I only know how to draw ones who are strong-willed.

Here's my problem with Akira Toriyama: that quote comes off as if he simply doesn't care. "I didn't want to draw Chichi anymore" and basically he says that in order to force himself to continue drawing her, he married Goku to her. Um... I call bullshit. There was no reason for Akira Toriyama to be drawing Chichi. He drew her one time very early on in the manga. Then, he brought her back and married her to Goku. There was absolutely zero reason for Toriyama to bring her back if he didn't want to draw her or like her as a character. He makes it sound as if she was a main character and in order to force himself not to get rid of her, he married her off to Goku. She made two appearances in Dragon Ball: very early on and in the Tenkaichi Budokai when she was set to marry Goku right away. If he didn't want to draw her, he should have not even brought her back to begin with. So what the hell is he talking about? Love the guy, but god damn...

[TheMikado]

The real issue is that Toriyama only knows how to create two types of women. The feisty ones who are prodigies at something and thus arrogant and entitled, or the docile inept ones such as Bulma s mom. This is most evident with his "dual" personality characters. Launchs powerful side outspoken and strong, while the docile side does very little except traditional female roles. Even Kale has the same issue. In her docile form she is incredibly weak and frail in appearance and action. We look at a character like Videl who was one of the most powerful women we've previously had in the DB series yet we aren't sure if she can even still fight now and her personality completely changed along with the loss of power. We even look at Pan in GT and she has the same personality trait. Stong female=strong personality, weak female = weak personality. That seems to be the extent of his range.

Now, people will use 18 and a character example however I see this differently as both 18 and 17 are written first and foremost most as "robotic" this can be seen in their character expressions, speech, and even their methods of thinking. It explains 17s general passively attitude towards universal destruction. This is another personality of Toriyamas so 18 is not categorized or thought of as female first as personality type, but rather "robot" being her primary type and this is excluded from Toriyamas typical categorization.

[ABED]

Mikado, whether Toriyama thinks of 18 as a robot first isn't relevant, she's still a female character. 17 and 18 seemed more almost bored rather than robotic.

[TheMikado]

Mikado, whether Toriyama thinks of 18 as a robot first isn't relevant, she's still a female character. 17 and 18 seemed more almost bored rather than robotic.

Thats fine we can count the 1 vs. literally every other female character he's written for Dragonball. I'm just giving a special circumstance for why she doesn't fit the mold that Toriyama seems to follow 99% of the time. I can allow a 1% deviation in my theory.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

I actually thought Videl was good back in Dragon Ball Z. They completely ruined her character altogether, now she's just the cutesy mom character who doesn't resemble how she was back then at all.

They could be two completely different characters. I thought Videl was one of the better female characters in the show before they ruined her.

What is astonishing to me was Videl was ruined halfway through the Buu arc when she became fodder with the rest of the non-important Z folks. It was the moment she stopped following the rest with Supreme Kai and went back to the tournament she basically became another background character. Disappointing indeed.

[TheGreatness25]

And yet, I feel like Videl's character got better at the actual Tenkaichi Budokai. Before that, she was -- yet again -- another angry, uptight girl growling and yelling at everything. During the Tenkaichi Budokai, she started softening up and I liked that version of her.

[TheMikado]

I actually thought Videl was good back in Dragon Ball Z. They completely ruined her character altogether, now she's just the cutesy mom character who doesn't resemble how she was back then at all.

They could be two completely different characters. I thought Videl was one of the better female characters in the show before they ruined her.

What is astonishing to me was Videl was ruined halfway through the Buu arc when she became fodder with the rest of the non-important Z folks. It was the moment she stopped following the rest with Supreme Kai and went back to the tournament she basically became another background character. Disappointing indeed.

But she was always fodder and never actually stood a chance. Her, having just learned to fly and a much lower power level when compared to the others makes sense. She was stronger than 99.99% of the earthlings but was never actually Z warrior tier in strength. At most I'm thinking she got to Raditz level strength and that's generous considering... if she was keeping pace with everyone else it would have been horrible power scaling and completely unbelievable. They still made her relevant and feisty without her having to be in the middle of the battle and she certainly proved her worth in the tournament.

[emperior]

Source: http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/ ... nakatsuru/

Who do you prefer: Bulma or Chi-Chi?
Toriyama:
To be honest, I’m really not fond of Chi-Chi as a character. (laughs) In the middle of the comic, I started to think, “I don’t want to draw her anymore,” and, sort of as a way of spiting myself, I decided, “you’ll have to draw her if she gets married to Goku, so marry them off!” So, I drew her as a kind of punishment. (laughs)

Nakatsuru:
So that was your reason behind it! (laughs)

Toriyama:
The women I draw all have the same sort of personality. I can’t draw gentle girls; I only know how to draw ones who are strong-willed.

Here's my problem with Akira Toriyama: that quote comes off as if he simply doesn't care. "I didn't want to draw Chichi anymore" and basically he says that in order to force himself to continue drawing her, he married Goku to her. Um... I call bullshit. There was no reason for Akira Toriyama to be drawing Chichi. He drew her one time very early on in the manga. Then, he brought her back and married her to Goku. There was absolutely zero reason for Toriyama to bring her back if he didn't want to draw her or like her as a character. He makes it sound as if she was a main character and in order to force himself not to get rid of her, he married her off to Goku. She made two appearances in Dragon Ball: very early on and in the Tenkaichi Budokai when she was set to marry Goku right away. If he didn't want to draw her, he should have not even brought her back to begin with. So what the hell is he talking about? Love the guy, but god damn...

Yeah it doesn't make much sense. Maybe he didn't intend to marry her to Goku when he brought her back for the 23rd Budokai Tenkaichi, and then the story above happened, so Toriyama married Chi-Chi with Goku (it felt forced in the manga too) so as to force himself to keep her around.

[VegettoEX]

"feisty, obnoxious, females"
There is no need to say the same thing 3 times

This is a super-fucked-up thing to say and is not OK.

Much appreciation to everyone else's well-written posts citing relevant points.

[Ki Breaker]

"feisty, obnoxious, females"
There is no need to say the same thing 3 times

This is a super-fucked-up thing to say and is not OK.

Much appreciation to everyone else's well-written posts citing relevant points.

I suppose I should have mentioned I am writing this in the context of Dragonball females..
This was in relation to toriyama saying he can't draw females types other than strong willed ones, which more or less come off as what I mentioned to most..

I apologize for the inconvenience

[SansrivaaL]

[spoiler]

Source: http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/ ... nakatsuru/

Who do you prefer: Bulma or Chi-Chi?
Toriyama:
To be honest, I’m really not fond of Chi-Chi as a character. (laughs) In the middle of the comic, I started to think, “I don’t want to draw her anymore,” and, sort of as a way of spiting myself, I decided, “you’ll have to draw her if she gets married to Goku, so marry them off!” So, I drew her as a kind of punishment. (laughs)

Nakatsuru:
So that was your reason behind it! (laughs)

Toriyama:
The women I draw all have the same sort of personality. I can’t draw gentle girls; I only know how to draw ones who are strong-willed.

[/spoiler]
This was a surprising read, I didnt know this. So he forced Goku into a marriage so that he can be forced to draw Chichi despite not liking her? damn
I've read some interviews from other mangaka's but Toriyama's the only one who speaks some crazy stuffs about his creation, well then again Kishimoto was sort of like this with Sakura but not like how literal Toriyama was in here.
I remember another interview where Nozawa was like "The world would be a better place if we were all like Goku" and he replied "I dont think the world would function that well if we're all like him"
I love how blunt the guy is.

[Lord Beerus]

Source: http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/ ... nakatsuru/

Who do you prefer: Bulma or Chi-Chi?
Toriyama:
To be honest, I’m really not fond of Chi-Chi as a character. (laughs) In the middle of the comic, I started to think, “I don’t want to draw her anymore,” and, sort of as a way of spiting myself, I decided, “you’ll have to draw her if she gets married to Goku, so marry them off!” So, I drew her as a kind of punishment. (laughs)

Nakatsuru:
So that was your reason behind it! (laughs)

Toriyama:
The women I draw all have the same sort of personality. I can’t draw gentle girls; I only know how to draw ones who are strong-willed.

Here's my problem with Akira Toriyama: that quote comes off as if he simply doesn't care. "I didn't want to draw Chichi anymore" and basically he says that in order to force himself to continue drawing her, he married Goku to her. Um... I call bullshit. There was no reason for Akira Toriyama to be drawing Chichi. He drew her one time very early on in the manga. Then, he brought her back and married her to Goku. There was absolutely zero reason for Toriyama to bring her back if he didn't want to draw her or like her as a character. He makes it sound as if she was a main character and in order to force himself not to get rid of her, he married her off to Goku. She made two appearances in Dragon Ball: very early on and in the Tenkaichi Budokai when she was set to marry Goku right away. If he didn't want to draw her, he should have not even brought her back to begin with. So what the hell is he talking about? Love the guy, but god damn...

Yeah it doesn't make much sense. Maybe he didn't intend to marry her to Goku when he brought her back for the 23rd Budokai Tenkaichi, and then the story above happened, so Toriyama married Chi-Chi with Goku (it felt forced in the manga too) so as to force himself to keep her around.

I agree. None of this adds up. Why would Toriyama keep around a character he very clearly didn't care for? My guess is that Toriyama thought that Chi Chi getting married and becoming Goku's wife would mean he would never have to deal with her in any significant capacity anymore because housewives don't do anything of significance in Dragon Ball and barely appear in the story, as seen with Mrs Briefs. But we still see Chi Chi appear several times in the story later on. This really comes across as not giving a shit in the slightest.