Criticism/complaining about super.

[bilby]

Hi all

I'm a long time reader, first time poster. I have finally felt the need to make an account just so I can add some positivity on this site. dragon ball and all variations of it is my childhood and one of my favourite series. I assume it is the same for most of you too. I just don't understand all the negative comments super is receiving about story, structure, pacing ( I can understand animation for some eps). We need to all take time to remember that we've been blessed with another CANNON story of dragon ball. Not like the abridged series or super ssj5 bs.
They are adding to the story and allowing their fans to escape reality through a tv show. Just try to appreciate what they are doing. I have absolutely loved most episodes of super. Obviously some eps have been underwhelming and nothing like dbz but at the same time eps have given me the same feeling from watching dbz.
SO PEOPLE PLEASE STOP ALL THE NEGATIVE NONSENSE!!!
Regards: First time poster

[Cure Dragon 255]

I love Dragon Ball,am sick of all the negativity and I still hate this first post. Why is it that people want to police people's opinions like this? Do they think they can "Stop all negativity" by just making a post basically saying "Stop whining you whiners!" like every bit of "negativity" is "Unwarrented Whining"

[Boo Machine]

You're probably going to hear different variations of this, probably better worded as well since I am an imbecile, but just because we have a new entry in our favorite franchise (favorite for most of us at least), doesn't mean it's free from criticism. If something is wrong then it needs to be called out. If something happens that someone doesn't like then they're free to express why that is. It's how discussions are made, which is the whole point of these forums in the first place. Thus ideas and perspectives change and sometimes someone learns something new.

Some negativity can be obnoxious, but most Criticism and Complaints come from a place of love for the franchise and want it to be the best it can be. I love Super but it has quite a few issues that need to be addressed. Or sometimes what happens in the show just doesn't mesh well with some people want whether it's an issue or not, since sometimes people just want different things from the franchise. (Ex. some people want Goku replaced, some don't).

Point is, telling everyone to stop negativity won't do much good. If you feel like someone is saying something off base or you don't agree with, then challenge them. Preferably with Swords, but words work to if you're choosing to go the pacifist route.

Welcome to the forums by the way.

[Chuquita]

My guess is people are so stressed out by real life events that they seek to reduce conflict in whatever venues they feel they have the power to. Like they can't make people around them agree so they try to make people online agree? I don't know, this is all me theorizing.

It's an impossible task though. People are individuals and by nature the odds are no one's going to agree with everyone else all the time. There's things each person likes and dislikes. Mature debate is a healthy. We all exchange different views. We argue or agree or somewhere in between. A forum where everyone agrees all the time isn't a very stimulating one; I also doubt one like that exists.

I think it's important to be able to debate and criticize. It's also important not to take criticisms of Dragon Ball as personal slights. People complain about the franchise because they care about it, I think. It's the whole indifference is the true opposite of love thing.

[Cure Dragon 255]

I was all the ready to be condemned for my rude post. Thanks Chuquita lol.

[Chuquita]

I was all the ready to be condemned for my rude post. Thanks Chuquita lol.

It's all good. I saw a post similar to the thread topic posted on another place I visit (only it was a mod in that case; the responses there were split about even) and it got me wondering why threads like this happen. What I posted was what I concluded.

[TheOne]

First I'd like to say for years I would always check for updates on a new dragon ball series. Heck even a movie or two. When it finally came, I was unbelievably happy! Then when they announced there'd be a new series, I blew a couple loads. I'm ecstatic that we are having a continuation of dragon ball z. I know everyone felt the same as me. But with that being said, everyone had high expectations.

Some of us rewatched dragon ball/z countless times through. There were certain rules that were established throughout the series Aka power rankings, potential for growth, character tendencies etc. not to mention a lot of fantasizing on what we wanted to happen next.

I guess the problem some people have with super is that it's not lining up with the way we personally saw the characters or how we gauged how strong someone was. I know that's how I feel. There were certain rules I knew back then that seem to be none existent now in Super. Is it because Toei wanted to change things up or the writers really didn't know much about the series? Regardless it's frustrating to see such a popular series be treated so poorly.

Despite all the inconsistencies and lack of explanations, I'm still thankful for the series

[bilby]

You're probably going to hear different variations of this, probably better worded as well since I am an imbecile, but just because we have a new entry in our favorite franchise (favorite for most of us at least), doesn't mean it's free from criticism. If something is wrong then it needs to be called out. If something happens that someone doesn't like then they're free to express why that is. It's how discussions are made, which is the whole point of these forums in the first place. Thus ideas and perspectives change and sometimes someone learns something new.

Some negativity can be obnoxious, but most Criticism and Complaints come from a place of love for the franchise and want it to be the best it can be. I love Super but it has quite a few issues that need to be addressed. Or sometimes what happens in the show just doesn't mesh well with some people want whether it's an issue or not, since sometimes people just want different things from the franchise. (Ex. some people want Goku replaced, some don't).

Point is, telling everyone to stop negativity won't do much good. If you feel like someone is saying something off base or you don't agree with, then challenge them. Preferably with Swords, but words work to if you're choosing to go the pacifist route.

Welcome to the forums by the way.

I get that. Fair enough debate all you want but constant moaning and whinging about how poor it is just gets boring after a while. If people have such a BIG issue with the series, you may as well stop watching.

[bilby]

I love Dragon Ball,am sick of all the negativity and I still hate this first post. Why is it that people want to police people's opinions like this? Do they think they can "Stop all negativity" by just making a post basically saying "Stop whining you whiners!" like every bit of "negativity" is "Unwarrented Whining"

It's the constant whining and negativity. Like surely you can point out some things you like in an episode or is it just all bad? If it's all garbage then why do you watch trash tv?

[MaskedRider]

I understand where you are coming from, OP but you also have to understand why people are negative toward Super. I personally welcome Super with loving arms but I see its flaws on its own and comparing it to DB & Z and have to agree with the criticisms people have made about it but that does not mean I have to stop loving it, more Super content is more for me.

[Cure Dragon 255]

I love Dragon Ball,am sick of all the negativity and I still hate this first post. Why is it that people want to police people's opinions like this? Do they think they can "Stop all negativity" by just making a post basically saying "Stop whining you whiners!" like every bit of "negativity" is "Unwarrented Whining"

It's the constant whining and negativity. Like surely you can point out some things you like in an episode or is it just all bad? If it's all garbage then why do you watch trash tv?

I dont complain. I just said I hate the negativity just like you do. I love the new attention Super has brought to the franchise, and I love that kids get to enjoy it as brand new. I would have liked it if you had said that instead because the first post was kind of bad.

Also welcome to Kanzenshuu! I hope you enjoy your stay.

[bilby]

I understand where you are coming from, OP but you also have to understand why people are negative toward Super. I personally welcome Super with loving arms but I see its flaws on its own and comparing it to DB & Z and have to agree with the criticisms people have made about it but that does not mean I have to stop loving it, more Super content is more for me.

I get why people are negative towards it but at the same time they take everything too much into account. Like the smallest detail with the series might be off and everyone loses their minds. It's also consistently happening week after week. I think I've only seen one time where majority of posts were positive. If people can't stand super and think it ruins the DB legacy, then don't watch it. Let the real fans enjoy it.

[Freeza9000]

Point is, telling everyone to stop negativity won't do much good. If you feel like someone is saying something off base or you don't agree with, then challenge them. Preferably with Swords, but words work to if you're choosing to go the pacifist route.

"Swords"?

[bilby]

I love Dragon Ball,am sick of all the negativity and I still hate this first post. Why is it that people want to police people's opinions like this? Do they think they can "Stop all negativity" by just making a post basically saying "Stop whining you whiners!" like every bit of "negativity" is "Unwarrented Whining"

It's the constant whining and negativity. Like surely you can point out some things you like in an episode or is it just all bad? If it's all garbage then why do you watch trash tv?

I dont complain. I just said I hate the negativity just like you do. I love the new attention Super has brought to the franchise, and I love that kids get to enjoy it as brand new. I would have liked it if you had said that instead because the first post was kind of bad.

I'm not saying you do it. But from what I've seen since supers debut is just awful. Granted my first post could of been a little nicer but it was the reason I wanted to make an account. Just to let the constant criticisers know they should appreciate what they've been given. What did we have before this after db finished. Remakes of video games that were never as good as BTK3.
Thanks for the welcome
Also welcome to Kanzenshuu! I hope you enjoy your stay.

[sintzu]

The reason Super gets criticised is because it's not perfect, it has a lot of issues that have been pointed out time and again and to tell people not to because it's DB is just blind fanboyesm (is that even a word ?).

However, Super also has some good going for it which I think should be recognized and not overlooked just because it has problems.

[bilby]

The reason Super gets criticised is because it's not perfect, it has a lot of issues that have been pointed out time and again and to tell people not to because it's DB is just blind fanboyesm (is that even a word ?).

However, Super also has some good going for it which I think should be recognized and not overlooked just because it has problems.

I'm not saying not to point it out. I'll be the first to say animation for first arc was shit but who cares we got a movie for that arc and it was amazing. Why bash your beloved series so much.

[Yomi]

I feel like you're talking about a very small minority of Kanzenshuu users, and a large majority of youtube commentors (Which no one should take seriously)

I know where you're coming from, I ask myself, why would someone come back 98 times to a product they don't like.
It's like a guy walking into a restaurant, eating their food and calling it garbage every time, just to keep coming back for 2 years.
ex:(I was a Narutard, grew up with Naruto, watched the First episode of Boruto and Dropped it.)

However, I do disagree that the negativity needs to be reduced. Although I'm generally positive towards Super here, I don't think the generally negative people need to just stop, that seems like a censorship of ideas. Also, most of the time their qualms are completely understandable, and is no where near the mindless hate you see in youtube comments.

[Freeza9000]

I understand where you are coming from, OP but you also have to understand why people are negative toward Super. I personally welcome Super with loving arms but I see its flaws on its own and comparing it to DB & Z and have to agree with the criticisms people have made about it but that does not mean I have to stop loving it, more Super content is more for me.

I get why people are negative towards it but at the same time they take everything too much into account. Like the smallest detail with the series might be off and everyone loses their minds. It's also consistently happening week after week. I think I've only seen one time where majority of posts were positive. If people can't stand super and think it ruins the DB legacy, then don't watch it. Let the real fans enjoy it.

People are free to vocalize their complaints whether you like it or not. Though discussions here can admittedly get heated at times, it sounds to me like you are trying to prevent any form of criticism from happening. How boring would it be if this forum is just an echochamber?

As a matter of fact, this is arguably one of the better places to discuss anything DB related.

[bilby]

I understand where you are coming from, OP but you also have to understand why people are negative toward Super. I personally welcome Super with loving arms but I see its flaws on its own and comparing it to DB & Z and have to agree with the criticisms people have made about it but that does not mean I have to stop loving it, more Super content is more for me.

I get why people are negative towards it but at the same time they take everything too much into account. Like the smallest detail with the series might be off and everyone loses their minds. It's also consistently happening week after week. I think I've only seen one time where majority of posts were positive. If people can't stand super and think it ruins the DB legacy, then don't watch it. Let the real fans enjoy it.

People are free to vocalize their complaints whether you like it or not. Though discussions here can admittedly get heated at times, it sounds to me like you are trying to prevent any form of criticism from happening. How boring would it be if this forum is just an echochamber?

I don't think it would be boring, it would actually be fun and exciting with hopes for spectacular to happen but in reality this place is depressing to read. It's like a black hole with twinkles of light. I'm not trying to stop criticism. How would you improve with out it but not like criticising on the page is gonna improve the show. Toriyama isn't gonna be reading every post here and say to himself "oh let me make goku less of an imbecile, I won't refuse animation anymore, lets just please everybody". It's impossible. You get what you're given and you should try to be happy with what you get.

[bilby]

I feel like you're talking about a very small minority of Kanzenshuu users, and a large majority of youtube commentors (Which no one should take seriously)

I know where you're coming from, I ask myself, why would someone come back 98 times to a product they don't like.
It's like a guy walking into a restaurant, eating their food and calling it garbage every time, just to keep coming back for 2 years.
ex:(I was a Narutard, grew up with Naruto, watched the First episode of Boruto and Dropped it.)

However, I do disagree that the negativity needs to be reduced. Although I'm generally positive towards Super here, I don't think the generally negative people need to just stop, that seems like a censorship of ideas. Also, most of the time their qualms are completely understandable, and is no where near the mindless hate you see in youtube comments.

Fair enough but I have seen some comments that make absolutely no sense or are hypocritical and I haven't been able to challenge since never had an account.