metamorian fusion multiplier

p-hyvo · Post by **p-hyvo** » Fri Jul 14, 2017 7:12 am

hi guys, I'm curious to know something about the metamor fusion multiplier... i think is (a+b)x10, is that correct?

Polyphase Avatron · Post by **Polyphase Avatron** » Fri Jul 14, 2017 9:30 am

There is no official figure AFAIK

cheddarsword · Post by **cheddarsword** » Fri Jul 14, 2017 11:20 am

I always figured that the fusions both carried the same boost in power at A+B+.5 with the differences being that Metamoran fusion requires the higher power fusee to lower their power level resulting in a sub par result in comparison to Potara where both fusees can be at max.

In other words, addition only, no multiplier until Super Saiyan gets involved.

PerhapsTheOtherOne · Post by **PerhapsTheOtherOne** » Fri Jul 14, 2017 11:39 am

I don't know, some corroborating info might give us a certain sense of how the Fusion Dance turns out.

Although not within the current anime's continuity, Yo! Son Goku and His Friends Return!! gave us the little factoid that Goten and Trunks were comparable to Freeza to some extent in base form. Now, this isn't entirely clear about where ththey lies, especially since the special IS within continuity with the original Battle of Gods movie, where it was clarified that Goku isn't as strong as Freeza's full 100% power in base form.

Then we come to the anime version of Resurrection of F, where Gohan is implied to possibly rival Gotenks in the same forms. That would place base Gotenks at a level somewhere close to or above Piccolo's max power during the Buu Saga.

So, a less-than-full-power-Freeza base level multiplied with itself results in Piccolo levels of strength. All of this depends on how Goten and Trunks related to their dads. They're said to not be too far off, but they're also implied to be below Piccolo, possibly even as Super Saiyans. How about, for simplicity's sake, we put their SS forms as equal to Piccolo?

If Gohan is comparable or above Piccolo in base form in RoF, and if Gotenks is comparable in similar forms to him, and if Goten and Trunks are about equal to Piccolo as Super Saiyans, then that'd place the Fusion Dance multiplier at about 50 times, equivalent to turning SS. Maybe.

Chickenchaser · Post by **Chickenchaser** » Sat Jul 15, 2017 5:02 pm

p-hyvo wrote:hi guys, I'm curious to know something about the metamor fusion multiplier... i think is (a+b)x10, is that correct?

Fusion dance don't have official multiplier so this is hard, In fusion A(Goten) and B(Trunks) they must same power level to the fusion. Let's look on ROF (Dragonball Super) SSJ Gotenks headbutt Togamo who is at level of Gohan/Piccolo or even far stronger than (Gohan/Piccolo) but (Tagoma) weaker than SSJ Gohan (when he was rusty).

In Boo Saga Trunks is stronger than Android No.18 so Gohan probably also stronger. After Fusion and training in rosat Gotenks is stronger than SSJ3 Goku/Super Buu.

I give some numbers:

Android No.18: 240,000,000

(Android No.18 is 2 Times 100% Freeza)

SSJ Trunks: 320,000,000

((I'm giving him a 1.33x difference (Same as Goku KK3(24k) and Vegeta(18k))

SSJ Goten: 308,000,000

(1.04x difference of power same as Zarbon(23k) and Vegeta(24k))

SSJ3 Goku: 12,000,000,000

(1 Kiri= 500,000 Imo)

Super Boo: ~24,000,000,000

(Goku say he and Vegeta no match to Boo and 2x difference is OVERKILL)

Soo Goten/Trukns (Post Rosat): ~15,000,000

And Gotenks: 75,000,000
Super Saiyan 3: 30,000,000,000

(Gotenks is 2.5x Stronger than SSJ3 Goku and 1.25x Stronger than Super Boo)

So IMO Metamoran fusion A(Goten) x5 is Pretty Good.

And Metamoran Fusion technique

•Requires equal power levels. and size

•Requires perfect allignment while performing the dance

•Only lasts for 30 minutes or less

•Can fuse incorrectly (Veku, Fat/Skinny Gotenks)

DB▪Magnum-Expert · Post by **DB▪Magnum-Expert** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 5:08 pm

p-hyvo wrote:hi guys, I'm curious to know something about the Fusion Dance multiplier... i think is (a+b)x10, is that correct?

It's widely inconsistent tbh. There was never a clear confirmation over it. It seems like the "given" answer is being contradicted by other "given" sources, and so on.

It is stated in the Super Exciting Guide that metamoran fusion is A × B in terms of strength.

https://i.neoseeker.com/mgv/870828/828/ ... 9FgTxt.png

Yet it was hinted before that it could be simple addition:

https://i.neoseeker.com/mgv/870828/828/ ... 2RVqzo.png

It describes potara as closer to multiplication rather than simple addition. It's basically implying that there is a "boost" relevant to the Concept of potara, and that boost is simple addition. This page is the same page that states the saiyan multipliers to be 50x base for Ssj, 2x Ssj for Ssj2, and 4x Ssj2 for Ssj3. This leaves the fusions.

But there isn't any main fusion weak enough to be rendered as "Simple Addition". There's always an increase. Goku mentions that Fusion Dance increased the power of the new born being far beyond what the original fuses would ever accomplish on their own in their current state from when they perform it. Kinda contradictory in a sense right?

Potara was stated to be multiplication in the anime also, and hinted to be more powerful that Fusion Dance. However it showed contradictory signs, like where it was mentioned in El Manga Legendario (Official Guide by Bird studio) that the result between Kaioshin and Kibito didn't have an effect much:

http://pm1.narvii.com/6519/ac57bb1785fe ... 380_hq.jpg

The increase of Vegito due to Rival Boost was so strong it pushed base Vegito > Hypothetical base Gokhan:

http://pm1.narvii.com/6340/a561dde0511c ... 66a_hq.jpg

It's too controversial tbh

p-hyvo · Post by **p-hyvo** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 6:41 am

Chickenchaser wrote:
p-hyvo wrote:hi guys, I'm curious to know something about the metamor fusion multiplier... i think is (a+b)x10, is that correct?
Fusion dance don't have official multiplier so this is hard, In fusion A(Goten) and B(Trunks) they must same power level to the fusion. Let's look on ROF (Dragonball Super) SSJ Gotenks headbutt Togamo who is at level of Gohan/Piccolo or even far stronger than (Gohan/Piccolo) but (Tagoma) weaker than SSJ Gohan (when he was rusty).

In Boo Saga Trunks is stronger than Android No.18 so Gohan probably also stronger. After Fusion and training in rosat Gotenks is stronger than SSJ3 Goku/Super Buu.

I give some numbers:

Android No.18: 240,000,000

(Android No.18 is 2 Times 100% Freeza)

SSJ Trunks: 320,000,000

((I'm giving him a 1.33x difference (Same as Goku KK3(24k) and Vegeta(18k))

SSJ Goten: 308,000,000

(1.04x difference of power same as Zarbon(23k) and Vegeta(24k))

SSJ3 Goku: 12,000,000,000

(1 Kiri= 500,000 Imo)

Super Boo: ~24,000,000,000

(Goku say he and Vegeta no match to Boo and 2x difference is OVERKILL)

Soo Goten/Trukns (Post Rosat): ~15,000,000

And Gotenks: 75,000,000
Super Saiyan 3: 30,000,000,000

(Gotenks is 2.5x Stronger than SSJ3 Goku and 1.25x Stronger than Super Boo)

So IMO Metamoran fusion A(Goten) x5 is Pretty Good.

And Metamoran Fusion technique

•Requires equal power levels. and size

•Requires perfect allignment while performing the dance

•Only lasts for 30 minutes or less

•Can fuse incorrectly (Veku, Fat/Skinny Gotenks)

for me is a bit different, starting from the statemente "1 kiro = 50'000"
that makes ssj 3 Goku 1'200'000'000
in my opinion, super buu is 1'300'000'000
base goten is ( after rst training) 325'000, trunks 375'000
then they fuse , (a+b)x5, so base gotenks is 3'500'000
for me #18 is 128'000'000
now, lets do 3'500'000 x400, it makes 1'400'000'000
that makes perfectly sense, right?

Chickenchaser · Post by **Chickenchaser** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 9:45 am

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p-hyvo wrote:
Chickenchaser wrote:
p-hyvo wrote:hi guys, I'm curious to know something about the metamor fusion multiplier... i think is (a+b)x10, is that correct?
Fusion dance don't have official multiplier so this is hard, In fusion A(Goten) and B(Trunks) they must same power level to the fusion. Let's look on ROF (Dragonball Super) SSJ Gotenks headbutt Togamo who is at level of Gohan/Piccolo or even far stronger than (Gohan/Piccolo) but (Tagoma) weaker than SSJ Gohan (when he was rusty).

In Boo Saga Trunks is stronger than Android No.18 so Gohan probably also stronger. After Fusion and training in rosat Gotenks is stronger than SSJ3 Goku/Super Buu.

I give some numbers:

Android No.18: 240,000,000

(Android No.18 is 2 Times 100% Freeza)

SSJ Trunks: 320,000,000

((I'm giving him a 1.33x difference (Same as Goku KK3(24k) and Vegeta(18k))

SSJ Goten: 308,000,000

(1.04x difference of power same as Zarbon(23k) and Vegeta(24k))

SSJ3 Goku: 12,000,000,000

(1 Kiri= 500,000 Imo)

Super Boo: ~24,000,000,000

(Goku say he and Vegeta no match to Boo and 2x difference is OVERKILL)

Soo Goten/Trukns (Post Rosat): ~15,000,000

And Gotenks: 75,000,000
Super Saiyan 3: 30,000,000,000

(Gotenks is 2.5x Stronger than SSJ3 Goku and 1.25x Stronger than Super Boo)

So IMO Metamoran fusion A(Goten) x5 is Pretty Good.

And Metamoran Fusion technique

•Requires equal power levels. and size

•Requires perfect allignment while performing the dance

•Only lasts for 30 minutes or less

•Can fuse incorrectly (Veku, Fat/Skinny Gotenks)

for me is a bit different, starting from the statemente "1 kiro = 50'000"
that makes ssj 3 Goku 1'200'000'000
in my opinion, super buu is 1'300'000'000
base goten is ( after rst training) 325'000, trunks 375'000
then they fuse , (a+b)x5, so base gotenks is 3'500'000
for me #18 is 128'000'000
now, lets do 3'500'000 x400, it makes 1'400'000'000
that makes perfectly sense, right?

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It's good cuz Goku freeza fight is 3M so imo 500,000 kiri is good. This list is pretty good.

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