Cell's Absorptions/Transformations

chibi_goten · Post by **chibi_goten** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 6:02 pm

I was watching the Saga today when Cell absorbs the androids.

Just a quick question perhaps silly but there is a possibility,

If Cell absorbed 18 before 17 would he look any different?

Now I know some of you are quick to respond with no of course he would look the same!

But there is the slightest possibility he would look diffrent and remember android 18 isn't as strong as 17 so there is the slightest possibility he might not transform at all!

Does anybody think that Cell looks good in his second stage?

Casual Matt · Post by **Casual Matt** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 6:19 pm

First of all, #18 and #17 are the exact same strength, regardless of how strong #17 thinks he is.

Secondly, it's my humble opinion, that if he absorbed #18 instead of #17, he would have been as different from his "#17 Absorbed" form as #17 and #18 were from each other, which is not that different, really.

Just my two cents.

chibi_goten · Post by **chibi_goten** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 6:26 pm

Secondly, it's my humble opinion, that if he absorbed #18 instead of #17, he would have been as different from his "#17 Absorbed" form as #17 and #18 were from each other, which is not that different

Please make that easier to understand...

Does it actually say anywhere that they are the same strength?

I'm not trying to say your wrong or anything I just must have missed the part that's all I have always assumed he was stronger as when he brags about it, no one seems to correct him.

Tyro · Post by **Tyro** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 6:27 pm

The Lecherous Muten Roshi wrote:First of all, #18 and #17 are the exact same strength, regardless of how strong #17 thinks he is.

Actually, Cyborg 18 was stated as "suppressed" when compared to Cyborg 17. Therefore, giving 17 a slight upper hand between the two. Perhaps Gero simply wanted to try a weaker version of a Cyborg, therefore getting less trouble such as what 17 and 18 gave him and ultimately ended his life.

Majin Cell · Post by **Majin Cell** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 7:55 pm

Well, personally I would say no. There really is'nt any evidence to suggest that he would look different if he absorbed #18 first. Dr.Gero designed Cell to have two more forms besides his first fighting stage. #17 and #18 were meant to be part of Cell and he never said that it matterd which order he absorbed them in , only that he absorbed them. So I think Cells second stage would still look the same, even if he absorbed #18 first because that's how his second stage was designed to look. That's my two cents anyways.

veshira · Post by **veshira** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 10:57 pm

Well originally, Toriyama wanted Cell's second stage to be his final, but his editor wanted him to make a third form. Toriyama even makes an SD 2nd Form Cell state, "I'm going to miss my cute little form," (or something like that) in the "title cover" of the manga chapter where he absorbs #18.

This is why I don't think Cell would look any different.

D.G. · Post by **D.G.** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 11:31 pm

17 and 18 were just components of Cell's whole, I don't think it would make any difference which one he absorbed first

Duo · Post by **Duo** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 3:27 am

If you care to observe, you'll notice that in his 2nd Stage, Cell's face very much resembles many subtle traits of that from #17. There are other things about him, as well, that come specifically from #17.

The transformation would be different if he took int #18 first. He would probably weaker, since the Manga states #17 is of greater strength than #18. I also think he would've ended up a bit more docile and less easily enraged in such a state.

That's about all there is too it...unless you want to speculate more.

Bejiita · Post by **Bejiita** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 8:37 am

I also read that Toriyama's editor didn't like Cell's 2nd form because it was ugly, so Toriyama made another transformation.

Wether Cell would look different or not is a mystery, since it was up to Toriyama.

Steven Perry · Post by **Steven Perry** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 12:04 pm

I've never thought about that before.

Well... err... have a look at Majin Buu. He takes on the characteristics of the person he's just absorbed. Why should this not happen to Cell? But then again... when Cell absorbed the humans in Ginger Town, he didn't take on their traits.

Maybe Cell has two different choices after absorption: use the entity for ENERGY, or fuse on a molecular level, and transform?

Anyway, I do think Cell would look different. He'd always look the same in his FINAL form, but his second form would alternate depending on the android he absorbed first. It's like mixing colours- you start with either yellow or blue, but doesn't matter which order you combine them in. It will always turn out green.

That's just my "two cents."

chibi_goten · Post by **chibi_goten** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 5:20 pm

I think Cell second form looks ugly!

I don't think he took on the other people's traits as they were either,

1/ Not powerfull enough by themself to take any effect.

2/ They are not part of his design like Android 17 and 18.

Which brings me to would he look different if he absorbed 18 first and take on some other chracteristics to his form different to the ones of when he absorbed 18.

Either way he would end up the same, but could there be a possible change in the middle, being a different android with different characteristics and a weaker power level?

Another question,

Why didn't Cell absorb Android 16 or Piccolo did he already think he couldn't get anymore powerfull. Yes he had Piccolo's cells but could he not use his power like the people in Ginger Town and the villages he caused havoc in?

Was it the Saiyan and Freeza cells within him that built up his confidence?

Bura · Post by **Bura** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 5:47 pm

chibi_goten wrote:Why didn't Cell absorb Android 16 or Piccolo did he already think he couldn't get anymore powerfull.

#16 was fully mechanic and couldn't be absorbed by Cell, he even tried by sticking his "stinger" into his neck, but #16 pulled it out without any trouble.

chibi_goten · Post by **chibi_goten** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 5:59 pm

Are you sure it was his stinger?

I thourght it was just a punch or something, he was going for the place that deactivated him or knocked of some of his defense I'm not sure will have to watch the episode.

Your probably right so don't reply, I will watch the episode again.

veshira · Post by **veshira** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 9:05 pm

The transformation would be different if he took int #18 first. He would probably weaker, since the Manga states #17 is of greater strength than #18. I also think he would've ended up a bit more docile and less easily enraged in such a state.

That's about all there is too it...unless you want to speculate more.

He'd have better fashion sense?

[incoming tomatoes]

Are you sure it was his stinger?
...
Your probably right so don't reply, I will watch the episode again.

*replies* Myahaha...

It was, indeed, his tail. It went into 16's neck and then 16 swings Cell around and breaks his tail off. But, ahh, what's this? Cell has Piccolo's cells. Oh noes!

Acid_Reign · Post by **Acid_Reign** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 11:39 pm

Steven Perry wrote:Well... err... have a look at Majin Buu. He takes on the characteristics of the person he's just absorbed. Why should this not happen to Cell?

Boo is a magical being, whereas Cell is a carefully-designed cyborg. Their techniques are simply different.

Daizensushi-x · Post by **Daizensushi-x** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 9:30 am

chibi_goten wrote:I was watching the Saga today when Cell absorbs the androids.

Just a quick question perhaps silly but there is a possibility,

If Cell absorbed 18 before 17 would he look any different?

Now I know some of you are quick to respond with no of course he would look the same!

But there is the slightest possibility he would look diffrent and remember android 18 isn't as strong as 17 so there is the slightest possibility he might not transform at all!

Does anybody think that Cell looks good in his second stage?

Hmm...this is kinda weird, but I've thought about this. You know when Cell absorbed 17, he looked more "manly". Like he just got injected with a lot of testosterone. Then when he absorbed 18, he got a little bit of his "manliness" taken away. He started to get things like a prettier face. (ITS TRUE!) Uhh....so what I'm saying is that if he absorbed 18 first, he might have turned out really damn girly. Then absorbing 17 after would balance it out to the perfect form we see now.

So, only the second form would change. That's my crappy theory.
Haha, you don't have to take it seriously.

gohanku · Post by **gohanku** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 3:08 am

Hey Daizensushi-X has a point, it like equalziling something, when Cell absorbs 17, he becomes buff and manly. And when he absorbs 18, he gets balanced and less buffy. So the theory might work...

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 10:16 am

gohanku wrote:Hey Daizensushi-X has a point, it like equalziling something, when Cell absorbs 17, he becomes buff and manly. And when he absorbs 18, he gets balanced and less buffy. So the theory might work...

Cell with breasts?

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 12:18 pm

Quick! Somebody do a fanart!

Mr.Piccolo · Post by **Mr.Piccolo** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 12:36 pm

Well, looking at some of the designs of Cell: Here, I like to think if No.18 was absorbed first, it would either end up looking the same or more humanoid, kind of like the ones by the finished Cell (or the one with the hair). Cell's plan was to absorb them on the island where Piccolo and No.17 were fighting, so I guess there isn't a really difference in who he absorbs and how he'll look like after that. Seeing how No.17 is said to be more powerful compared to his sister, maybe absorbing her would have Cell end up slightly weaker (the jump between his second form and complete form is way larger than his jump from his first to second form).
-Rick

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