If Universe 6 and 7 still make up the VAST majority of eliminations by the end, will they explain why?

[Asura]

36 people have been eliminated thus far. 23 of them were eliminated by U7. 10 of them were eliminated by U6. 2 were eliminated by U2 and 1 was eliminated by U9.

U7 has 64% of all eliminations thus far.
U6 has 28% of all eliminations thus far.

In total, U7 and U6 are responsible for 92% of all eliminations thus far. That is a ridiculous majority. 44 fighters still remain. If we're not counting U6 and U7, only 26 fighters from other universes remain.

More than likely, I predict the U7 and U6 eliminations will be somewhere around 80-90% of all eliminations by the time this tournament ends. Many are already criticizing this and rightfully so. The question is, will they do anything to explain why this is afterwards? Will there be some explanation as to why U7 and U6 is so powerful compared to every other universe? The sad part is it doesn't even really feel like anyone from U7 or U6 is trying yet they're still effortlessly knocking everyone around. Even the weaklings like Roshi and Tenshinhan don't seem to be having trouble. The only ones who seem to be exerting some effort are Caulifla, Kale, Gohan, and I guess Botamo and Krillin? Although we're going to see Hit get serious next episode. But as for everyone else? It's like an effortless breeze.

It seems as if the only ones capable of putting up a serious fight are Dyspo, Toppo and Jiren. 3 out of 60. Is it lazy writing? Are we going to get an explanation for it? Well actually I can already answer the first half of that question yes it is lazy writing, but I just hope they try and give us some explanation for it. TOEI isn't very good at explaining things though. We've seen examples of that multiple times.

[sintzu]

That's because none of the other universes have anyone established so seeing nobodies eliminate other nobodies won't have any weight to it. Having established characters do that barely has any weight to it.

[Doctor.]

That's because none of the other universes have anyone established so seeing nobodies eliminate other nobodies won't have any weight to it. Having established characters do that barely has any weight to it.

They could have used the recruitment episodes to establish big names with believable motivations and backstories then. Or hell, use the tournament itself to hype up strong characters by having them knock out a large number of characters to show how strong and dangerous they are.

[emperior]

That's because none of the other universes have anyone established so seeing nobodies eliminate other nobodies won't have any weight to it. Having established characters do that barely has any weight to it.

It would give some more weight to characters such as Dyspo, Toppo, Ribrianne, Ganos etc... If they actually eliminated someone. There's still time to fix things though. It makes absolutely zero sense that only U6 and U7 are racking up eliminations. Are other universes sleeping or are they just camping until someone from either U7 or U6 approaches them?

[FortuneSSJ]

Because the overall audience is not interested in seeing unknown fighter vs unknown fighter. Fans want to see the characters they like to shine.
Universe 6/7 are the ones we know the most, it's just normal they take the spotlight.

[Lord Frieza]

From an old post...

U7 and U6 being the best and how that ties into the themes of the arc - I few the scoring system for the universes as a representation of Japans over fixation on perfectionism, test scores and how these are what the japanses people are measured by in sociasty rather then their individual worth as a person. U7 and U6 haveing the best fighters is a big middle finger to that ideology, yes they scored low but that dose not make them inferior to the others. Infact these harsher universes have bread more powerful warriors though trial and adversity. Even U9's best seem to outrank the others but they fall short due to their underhanded ways, which may have cost them strong fighters if the Trio's words are taken into account. 3,4 and 10 are overly fixated on a single aspect, brains, brawn and underhandedness, this limits their individual warriors ability due to lack of diversity. U2 and U11 show that the other way can work but is also flawed. The Kamikaze Fireballs (and the rest of U2) are too used to people playing by their rules. U11's heroic nature influences its heroes in both beneficial and negative ways to. They destroy problems for good, work as a team and always do the right thing but this black and white view can only take them so far as it stunts the growth of their lesser warriors. By comparison U7 & 6 flawed way, with their fighters going through hardship and mistakes has forged them into better warriors as they have had to grown and adapted in the face of adversity. Not perfect either but it has given them a greater number of quality fighters.

[sintzu]

They could have used the recruitment episodes to establish big names with believable motivations and backstories then. Or hell, use the tournament itself to hype up strong characters by having them knock out a large number of characters to show how strong and dangerous they are.

Or why not have someone from u10 help against Zamasu ? There's so many things they could've done but instead they're doing the bare minimum with everything. When the concept of the 12 universes was shown in 2013 it was the coolest thing ever, knowing there was so much out there but now that they've shown some of it I wished it stayed a mystery.

Are other universes sleeping or are they just camping until someone from either U7 or U6 approaches them?

They're stuck under the pens of very uncreative writers.

[FortuneSSJ]

Or why not have someone from u10 help against Zamasu ? There's so many things they could've done but instead they're doing the bare minimum with everything.

The bare minimum would be if they pulled a DB Multiverse and instead of having new characters on other universes we would have different versions of Goku, Vegeta, etc..
That's the worst they could have done.

[sintzu]

The bare minimum would be if they pulled a DB Multiverse and instead of having new characters on other universes we would have different versions of Goku, Vegeta, etc..
That's the worst they could have done.

Seeing Vegeta and Piccolo interact with their old selves would've been 10× better than what we have here.

Do you think this is more of a Toei arc than a Toriyama one ? nothing has Toriyama's feel to it. Jerin for example is one of the most boring characters I've seen and I just don't see him coming from Toriyama, especially after coming up with Black and Hit.

[FortuneSSJ]

Seeing Vegeta and Piccolo interact with their old selves would've been 10× better than what we have here.

Not even 2x. It's in times like this that fans show they can't do better.

Do you think this is more of a Toei arc than a Toriyama one ? nothing has Toriyama's feel to it. Jerin for example is one of the most boring characters I've seen and I just don't see him coming from Toriyama, especially after coming up with Black and Hit.

Why?! Didn't he came up with Hit which is basically the same trope of the badass serious and silent opponent?!
Goku Black only worked thanks to Toei flawless execution. In the manga he's a joke. The reason he's not as bad as Xicor from DB AF is thanks to Toriyama's plot points.

[OLKv3]

You'd think they'd hype up U11 by having Jiren and co eliminating warriors. Instead Jiren has accomplished nothing so far, and neither has the rest of the Pride Troopers

[perucho1990]

Seeing Vegeta and Piccolo interact with their old selves would've been 10× better than what we have here.

Do you think this is more of a Toei arc than a Toriyama one ? nothing has Toriyama's feel to it. Jerin for example is one of the most boring characters I've seen and I just don't see him coming from Toriyama, especially after coming up with Black and Hit.

Toeis vllains are mostly smug and arrogant, Jiren is clearly Toriyamas idea. Its like he wants to replicate Hits popularity with Jiren by giving him the same silent personality but it falling flat.

It didnt help that Jiren was not able to eliminate Kale.

[precita]

I think you guys missed the point. Asura is asking will there be an in-universe explanation as to why U7 is so much stronger than most of the other fighters in the other universe. Since we know U7 has the second lowest mortal level, yet power wise they're among the best.

Outside of a few of the obvious strong fighters like Jiren/Toppo, Hit, maybe Ribianne and the Trio De Dangers.....most of the other fighters in this tournament seem below SSJ2 level. Meaning even the Cell saga version of the main characters could still probably wipe out half the fighters here.

[namekiansaiyan]

Seeing Vegeta and Piccolo interact with their old selves would've been 10× better than what we have here.

Do you think this is more of a Toei arc than a Toriyama one ? nothing has Toriyama's feel to it. Jerin for example is one of the most boring characters I've seen and I just don't see him coming from Toriyama, especially after coming up with Black and Hit.

Toeis vllains are mostly smug and arrogant, Jiren is clearly Toriyamas idea. Its like he wants to replicate Hits popularity with Jiren by giving him the same silent personality but it falling flat.

It didnt help that Jiren was not able to eliminate Kale.

Jiren could have easily eliminated Kale but for some resson didn't. I wont be surprised if he takes out either Universe 3 or 4 by himself or with a tag team with Toppo.

[Lionel]

The obvious explanation would be that they're the most powerful and have greatest amount of strong fighters, but for most of the tournament so far they've neglected to use all of their power; they've been self-limiting themselves for the sake of enjoying the festivities and to "preserve" stamina. I can't think of an in-universe reason for why two universes have been almost completely responsible for the eliminations seen. Outside from Toei's perspective has been acknowledged by posters here.

[Zagacious]

Now I see why they didn't give other characters meaningful backstories.. they were planning to make everyone fodder even back then except U7, U6 Saiyans, Hit, Toppo, and Jiren... I was honestly expecting to see some more fighters be somewhat close to god level like Ribrianne.. hell even Bergamo was holding his own (not winning, just doing 'okay') against SSB Goku and he was wasted on like episode 3.. no one since then has even had a chance at ringing someone out except U6 and U7. It's starting to feel extremely rushed.

To me it feels like they had all these interesting ideas for characters and then randomly just decided, we're not going to give them any significant power, they're all going to get KO'ed easily.. so we can rush to Goku vs Jiren or whatever other ending fights.

The in-universe explanation is because everyone else from other universes is incredibly weak. Very disappointing but based on writing decisions that's what we have now. Android 17 could effectively solo 50-60 of the fighters on his own based on what we've seen the last couple episodes. The fact that he's probably like 4th or 5th strongest in U7 makes the tournament even more underwhelming in terms of how strong you expect people to be.

[Lord Beerus]

I made an extensive point(s) about this in another thread and I'm just going to rephrase myself:

I think people don't really take into consideration the mortal level of the universes that are taking part in the Tournament Of Power. They are below the acceptable standard, meaning that the Kaioshin and Hakaishin don't do a good job of overseeing their universe. And the type of fighters that were recruited by the Hakaishin and Kaioshin of the other universes really reflect why their mortal rating isn't good enough.

Scenarios in Universe 7 like Raditz finding Goku on Earth and Freeza and his army going to Namek were all freak accidents that had a major affect on the perspective of Universe 7. And then there are incidents like the Androids (16, 17 and 18) being activated and Majin Boo being resurrected. All of those events didn't need to happen but the main cast contributed in a significant way to the occurring. The scenario with the Androids is all the more jarring of a case considering they knew what was going to happen and could have easily prevented any of those events for occurring but they still chose to deliberately allow the Androids to be activated so they could challenge themselves.

The main cast of Universe 7 had to constantly prepare themselves for the next upcoming threat, and because of this, were granted so many shortcuts in getting very strong (Training with Kami, training with King Kai, the ROSAT, the Gravity Machine) and learned many techniques to give them the edge in battle that most other universes wouldn't have even heard of (Pretty much every technique Roshi and Tien know). Goku and Vegeta only got as strong as they have because of the big unconditional favors they get from the Gods of their universe. I mean, Goku wouldn't have gotten as strong as he did in the Saiyan arc or the Majin Boo arc if the literal God of Death himself didn't grant him the major favor of allowing to keep his body in death so he could train. And Vegeta would have become a SSJB if Whis didn't throw him a bone and train him just because he gave him some tasty food.

Considering that only one universe has a lower mortal rating than Universe 7 (Universe 9), I think it's safe to say that the Hakaishin and Kaioshin of Universe 2, 3, 4, 6, 10 & 11 were just doing a better job of managing their universes by making sure that shit like Freeza terrorizing the galaxy for what felt like an eternity, the Androids causing havoc and Majin Boo running amok in the universe for God knows how long, never happened and/or were quickly nipped in the bud. Obviously the Hakaishin and Kaioshin of the other universes weren't doing their job to the best of their ability considering the mortal levels for those universes is still below the acceptable standard, so some shit still went down in those other universes that they are very much accountable for. But it was nowhere near the level of catastrophes that happened in the train-wreck universe that is Universe 7 and didn't also coincidentally benefit from it as much as the main cast of Universe 7 did.

The context of how Universe 7 changed is so far from the the norm compare to other universes in the Tournament Of Power. And Universe 7 having the second lowest mortal rating out the entire multiverse actually brilliantly reflects that. Shit happened Universe 7 that really shouldn't have happened and had extensional effect on the growth of the main cast in terms of personality, but so much more so in the strength department. They've went through so many major conflicts and it's only through sheer good luck that universe wasn't destroyed and they managed to get more powerful in the process. The Namek and Freeza arc were a big fucking fluke in the making. It was only through pure coincidence and good fortune that Freeza got the drop on Namek and the Namekian Dragon Balls. If Freeza never found about Namek, a lot shit doesn't happen. And even before that, Vegeta living beyond the Saiyan arc was all down ot just good fortune and having a hell of a lot of good graces on his side. They've had a hell of a lot of luck and good favors bestowed upon them from people in high places to get them where they are right now. Just imagine if Krillin killed Vegeta in the Saiyan arc or if Freeza never heard of Namek. Could you imagine how different shit would have turned out? It's a not just a fucking miracle that the main cast are as strong as they are, but it's a fucking miracle that Universe 7 hasn't been destroyed already when you think about.

The good fortune of Universe 7 also extended to Universe 6 given that if it had not been for Vegeta's method of "training" Cabba and getting him stronger, Universe 6 would have had not any Super Saiyans in their arsenal because they would not have know how to transform into it as it was Vegeta that gave Cabba the basic necessities for how to unlock the form. That means no SSJ Cabba, not SSJ/SSJ2 Caulifla or SSJ/Berserker Kale. Hell, Kale and Caulfila wouldn't have been taken to the tournament. And have you seen how effective those two Saiyans girls have been? It's more downplayed with Hit, as he was already naturally strong, but after facing Goku, he had to improve himself. Regardless, the lineup for Universe 6 would have been vastly different had they not encountered Universe 7 in the fashion of which they did.

If there is such a thing as a "multiverse lottery", Universe 7 definitely won it. Universe 7 are so not like any other universe competing in the Tournament Of Power, as they are so unintentionally ahead of the curve. And every universe they significant interact with seem to unintentionally benefit, as was the case with Universe 6.

[BlueBasilisk]

[spoiler]

I made an extensive point(s) about this in another thread and I'm just going to rephrase myself:

I think people don't really take into consideration the mortal level of the universes that are taking part in the Tournament Of Power. They are below the acceptable standard, meaning that the Kaioshin and Hakaishin don't do a good job of overseeing their universe. And the type of fighters that were recruited by the Hakaishin and Kaioshin of the other universes really reflect why their mortal rating isn't good enough.

Scenarios in Universe 7 like Raditz finding Goku on Earth and Freeza and his army going to Namek were all freak accidents that had a major affect on the perspective of Universe 7. And then there are incidents like the Androids (16, 17 and 18) being activated and Majin Boo being resurrected. All of those events didn't need to happen but the main cast contributed in a significant way to the occurring. The scenario with the Androids is all the more jarring of a case considering they knew what was going to happen and could have easily prevented any of those events for occurring but they still chose to deliberately allow the Androids to be activated so they could challenge themselves.

The main cast of Universe 7 had to constantly prepare themselves for the next upcoming threat, and because of this, were granted so many shortcuts in getting very strong (Training with Kami, training with King Kai, the ROSAT, the Gravity Machine) and learned many techniques to give them the edge in battle that most other universes wouldn't have even heard of (Pretty much every technique Roshi and Tien know). Goku and Vegeta only got as strong as they have because of the big unconditional favors they get from the Gods of their universe. I mean, Goku wouldn't have gotten as strong as he did in the Saiyan arc or the Majin Boo arc if the literal God of Death himself didn't grant him the major favor of allowing to keep his body in death so he could train. And Vegeta would have become a SSJB if Whis didn't throw him a bone and train him just because he gave him some tasty food.

Considering that only one universe has a lower mortal rating than Universe 7 (Universe 9), I think it's safe to say that the Hakaishin and Kaioshin of Universe 2, 3, 4, 6, 10 & 11 were just doing a better job of managing their universes by making sure that shit like Freeza terrorizing the galaxy for what felt like an eternity, the Androids causing havoc and Majin Boo running amok in the universe for God knows how long, never happened and/or were quickly nipped in the bud. Obviously the Hakaishin and Kaioshin of the other universes weren't doing their job to the best of their ability considering the mortal levels for those universes is still below the acceptable standard, so some shit still went down in those other universes that they are very much accountable for. But it was nowhere near the level of catastrophes that happened in the train-wreck universe that is Universe 7 and didn't also coincidentally benefit from it as much as the main cast of Universe 7 did.

The context of how Universe 7 changed is so far from the the norm compare to other universes in the Tournament Of Power. And Universe 7 having the second lowest mortal rating out the entire multiverse actually brilliantly reflects that. Shit happened Universe 7 that really shouldn't have happened and had extensional effect on the growth of the main cast in terms of personality, but so much more so in the strength department. They've went through so many major conflicts and it's only through sheer good luck that universe wasn't destroyed and they managed to get more powerful in the process. The Namek and Freeza arc were a big fucking fluke in the making. It was only through pure coincidence and good fortune that Freeza got the drop on Namek and the Namekian Dragon Balls. If Freeza never found about Namek, a lot shit doesn't happen. And even before that, Vegeta living beyond the Saiyan arc was all down ot just good fortune and having a hell of a lot of good graces on his side. They've had a hell of a lot of luck and good favors bestowed upon them from people in high places to get them where they are right now. Just imagine if Krillin killed Vegeta in the Saiyan arc or if Freeza never heard of Namek. Could you imagine how different shit would have turned out? It's a not just a fucking miracle that the main cast are as strong as they are, but it's a fucking miracle that Universe 7 hasn't been destroyed already when you think about.

The good fortune of Universe 7 also extended to Universe 6 given that if it had not been for Vegeta's method of "training" Cabba and getting him stronger, Universe 6 would have had not any Super Saiyans in their arsenal because they would not have know how to transform into it as it was Vegeta that gave Cabba the basic necessities for how to unlock the form. That means no SSJ Cabba, not SSJ/SSJ2 Caulifla or SSJ/Berserker Kale. Hell, Kale and Caulfila wouldn't have been taken to the tournament. And have you seen how effective those two Saiyans girls have been? It's more downplayed with Hit, as he was already naturally strong, but after facing Goku, he had to improve himself. Regardless, the lineup for Universe 6 would have been vastly different had they not encountered Universe 7 in the fashion of which they did.

If there is such a thing as a "multiverse lottery", Universe 7 definitely won it. Universe 7 are so not like any other universe competing in the Tournament Of Power, as they are so unintentionally ahead of the curve. And every universe they significant interact with seem to unintentionally benefit, as was the case with Universe 6.

[/spoiler]

It's crazy how much of U7's strength ties back to Frieza in some way. Maybe that's why they decided to include him. Frieza is the key to everything.

[perucho1990]

Now I see why they didn't give other characters meaningful backstories.. they were planning to make everyone fodder even back then except U7, U6 Saiyans, Hit, Toppo, and Jiren... I was honestly expecting to see some more fighters be somewhat close to god level like Ribrianne.. hell even Bergamo was holding his own (not winning, just doing 'okay') against SSB Goku and he was wasted on like episode 3.. no one since then has even had a chance at ringing someone out except U6 and U7. It's starting to feel extremely rushed.

To me it feels like they had all these interesting ideas for characters and then randomly just decided, we're not going to give them any significant power, they're all going to get KO'ed easily.. so we can rush to Goku vs Jiren or whatever other ending fights.

The in-universe explanation is because everyone else from other universes is incredibly weak. Very disappointing but based on writing decisions that's what we have now. Android 17 could effectively solo 50-60 of the fighters on his own based on what we've seen the last couple episodes. The fact that he's probably like 4th or 5th strongest in U7 makes the tournament even more underwhelming in terms of how strong you expect people to be.

That has Toriyama fingerprints all over it, if you go back to the past tournament, he also made most of the fighters complete scrubs. He isnt Oda, Kishimoto, or even Kubo level to make secondary/minor characters becoming relevant to the story.

[Gog]

If there is such a thing as a "multiverse lottery", Universe 7 definitely won it. Universe 7 are so not like any other universe competing in the Tournament Of Power, as they are so unintentionally ahead of the curve. And every universe they significant interact with seem to unintentionally benefit, as was the case with Universe 6.

You bring up some great points on the luck of Universe 7. But, I do have to object to that. Universe 7's luck at the end of the day is something that is solely up to the creators to decide, it could just have been easy in the ToP, for I don't know U9 to have incredibly strong dudes who were just found. Maybe, the Trio De Dangers were only picked because Rou wanted to test their mettle. Strong dudes that have gone through the same experiences that Goku and the gang have as well. Universe 7 doesn't have to be the only lucky universe, it was a choice for them to be the lucky universe.

Of course, even then. The GoD's don't exactly interject in matters like Freeza, Cell, Boo. Otherwise Belmod wouldn't even bother with the Pride Troopers and take down the villains they face by himself. Gowasu even makes a point that a Kaioshin shouldn't interact with the matters of the humans. Even the short cuts you mention that U7 has should be readily available for the other universes, just in different forms.