Goku and the Genki Dama

[MaskedRider]

Did anyone else like how Goku didn't exactly absorb it into himself such as with the Super Android 13 movie? There was much more than a simple take in of the energy with what seems to be a black hole (?) and him falling into it and breaking out of it. I enjoy Whis's metaphor of him breaking out his shell, I also enjoyed that you can see Goku's very being struggle as he dwells further and further

Thoughts? Opinions?...dreams?

[Totamo]

That scene could have easily been the dumbest thing Super has ever done.

I give them props for that alone.

[AvatarReiko]

What I cannot get my head around is hoe the Genki Dama could hurt Goku in the first place. Wasn’t it stated in the sainan saga that the attack could only hurt those of evil nature?. Hence, Gohan being able to bounce it back

[Cetra]

What I cannot get my head around is hoe the Genki Dama could hurt Goku in the first place. Wasn’t it stated in the sainan saga that the attack could only hurt those of evil nature?. Hence, Gohan being able to bounce it back

No, it was not. That rumor needs to die. Good people can push it back and that is all. It was never said it does not hurt you if you are hit by it.

[AvatarReiko]

What I cannot get my head around is hoe the Genki Dama could hurt Goku in the first place. Wasn’t it stated in the sainan saga that the attack could only hurt those of evil nature?. Hence, Gohan being able to bounce it back

No, it was not. That rumor needs to die. Good people can push it back and that is all. It was never said iz does not hurt you if you are hit by it.

You 100% sure? I could have sworn Goku said that to Gohan. Hmm. I'll take your word for it. Cba to take out my manga volumes

[Cetra]

What I cannot get my head around is hoe the Genki Dama could hurt Goku in the first place. Wasn’t it stated in the sainan saga that the attack could only hurt those of evil nature?. Hence, Gohan being able to bounce it back

No, it was not. That rumor needs to die. Good people can push it back and that is all. It was never said iz does not hurt you if you are hit by it.

You 100% sure? I could have sworn Goku said that to Gohan. Hmm. I'll take your word for it. Cba to take out my manga volumes

Vegeta had to be saved by Mr. Satan and on Namek they also had to be sure to not get hit.

[Arugela]

What I cannot get my head around is hoe the Genki Dama could hurt Goku in the first place. Wasn’t it stated in the sainan saga that the attack could only hurt those of evil nature?. Hence, Gohan being able to bounce it back

I think that is why they mentioned aggression right before the attack. he couldn't use it without going base because of the aggression in the form. so maybe aggression vs calm is the meaning of evil intent in DB. When he went SSB and KK he was probably super aggresive. Not to mention whatever else was going on with him and jiren pumping energy into it. Although if he's calm in ssb+KK there could be another explenation. But they did just potentially add to the understanding of spirit bomb in adding aggression as part of the meaning of evil. That would make sense more. If goku is calm but the enemy is aggressive from fighting it would affect them. That would also explain why goku fights them then uses the spirit bomb. That is when they are maxed out as far as being mad or in fighting mind set and hence aggressive.

It's possible neither him nor jiren were aggressive enough. They are both described as calm in their forms potentially. So it could have to do with both them them pushing extra energy shrinking it and making it simply go into him. Plus any extra energy they added. He may not have even been hurt as more he absorbed it. His eyes were doing the monkey transformation thing before getting grey. I think they are playing on the idea of getting back to max Saiyan abilities with the ozaru imitation in the eyes. that is always higher level goku. Maybe he's getting the beginning of calm and ozaru level physical strain. That is a lead up to GT and SSJ4!! Max physiological potential.




Notice the similar eye art.

Then, again, that could just be serious goku.

[oozaru goku]

I just don't understand why goku decided to use the spirit bomb at the first place. The spirit bomb power depends on people around those area and in the stage there's just like 10 people of U7 team members inside and outside of the ring, then how can THESE 10 people spirit bomb be enough to do ANYTHING against jiren??? Even the spirit bomb from the whole earth could only destroy kid buu in the past, well maybe it's just reasonable if considering zamasu arc (spirit sword scene) logic and that's dragonball super, maybe I'm expecting too much from this show

[MaskedRider]

I just don't understand why goku decided to use the spirit bomb at the first place. The spirit bomb power depends on people around those area and in the stage there's just like 10 people of U7 team members inside and outside of the ring, then how can THESE 10 people spirit bomb be enough to do ANYTHING against jiren??? Even the spirit bomb from the whole earth could only destroy kid buu in the past, well maybe it's just reasonable if considering zamasu arc (spirit sword scene) logic and that's dragonball super, maybe I'm expecting too much from this show

Jiren allowed Goku time he needed for it to be ready as Goku deemed it to be ready. I'm going to guess because "anime" it was allowed to be finished quickly.
The energy drawn for the sword also came from more than humans if you noticed closely and even then it isn't quite the genki dama as Goku points out that his sword was like one

[GodKaio-Ken]

The fact that he had all of like 10 people to possibly contribute should have made it impossible. Even Vegeta knew the idea was stupid

Jiren gave him time but where the heck did he get the energy? Why isnt U7 tired after giving energy? Especially if they potentially had to give extra?

[MaskedRider]

The fact that he had all of like 10 people to possibly contribute should have made it impossible. Even Vegeta knew the idea was stupid

Jiren gave him time but where the heck did he get the energy? Why isnt U7 tired after giving energy? Especially if they potentially had to give extra?

Apparently genki energy is different than ki energy from what I been told and read

[GodKaio-Ken]

The fact that he had all of like 10 people to possibly contribute should have made it impossible. Even Vegeta knew the idea was stupid

Jiren gave him time but where the heck did he get the energy? Why isnt U7 tired after giving energy? Especially if they potentially had to give extra?

Apparently genki energy is different than ki energy from what I been told

Yes. That is why there is an issue.

[MaskedRider]

The fact that he had all of like 10 people to possibly contribute should have made it impossible. Even Vegeta knew the idea was stupid

Jiren gave him time but where the heck did he get the energy? Why isnt U7 tired after giving energy? Especially if they potentially had to give extra?

Apparently genki energy is different than ki energy from what I been told

Yes. That is why there is an issue.

What is the issue? I don't think giving energy would necessarily make you exhausted physically. Its not like they're giving him their stamina and endurance

[mute_proxy]

What is the issue? I don't think giving energy would necessarily make you exhausted physically. Its not like they're giving him their stamina and endurance

Energy powers you up. If you give it away, you lose power. Simple.

[Cetra]

Apparently genki energy is different than ki energy from what I been told

Yes. That is why there is an issue.

What is the issue? I don't think giving energy would necessarily make you exhausted physically. Its not like they're giving him their stamina and endurance

In the manga it is exhausting.

[TheMikado]

Apparently genki energy is different than ki energy from what I been told

Yes. That is why there is an issue.

What is the issue? I don't think giving energy would necessarily make you exhausted physically. Its not like they're giving him their stamina and endurance

Did you not watch the Buu saga at all???

The energy for the spirit Bomb is
LIFE ENERGY.

Draining too much of it makes you tired and collapse draining too much CAN KILL YOU. It’s NOT ki. Goku drained a ton from billions of people and warriors on Earth but even then it was a small amount to not kill them and Buu was still pushing it back!

Further it’s made of 10 people so it should either be too weak or should have killed them but just like Roshis containment wave it doesn’t seem to drain people in Super like it does in the rest of the series which is why people are having a cow. It is not following the established lore of the technique.

Further Goku formed it, Jiren pushed it back. We know you either need to be pure hearted or really strong to push the spirit Bomb back or reflect it. It was dumb because Jiren could be both. It’s even dumber that Goku got hit with it when he should be able to reflect it and HE KNOWS THAT because he TOLD EVERYONE ELSE THAT!!! Unless he’s no longer pure hearted which means he should have been able to form the spirit Bomb in the first place. Look I keep saying this was all really cool but doesn’t give a crap about the established lore at all... so idk what to say

[PsionicWarrior]

What I cannot get my head around is hoe the Genki Dama could hurt Goku in the first place. Wasn’t it stated in the sainan saga that the attack could only hurt those of evil nature?. Hence, Gohan being able to bounce it back

No, it was not. That rumor needs to die. Good people can push it back and that is all. It was never said iz does not hurt you if you are hit by it.

You 100% sure? I could have sworn Goku said that to Gohan. Hmm. I'll take your word for it. Cba to take out my manga volumes

Maybe you watched a wrong dub? I have to admit myself I have no remembrance on that mention whatsoever but is not like I know every single line by heart lol

[MaskedRider]

What is the issue? I don't think giving energy would necessarily make you exhausted physically. Its not like they're giving him their stamina and endurance

Energy powers you up. If you give it away, you lose power. Simple.

Hm, I suppose but does energy = power? I can understand power output though in Super we seen Goku and Vegeta unable to transform into Blue due to not having enough power to but they seemed physically fine enough to pull off a Kamehameha and Final Flash. Its a mess

In the manga it is exhausting.

I don't keep up with the Super manga so I wouldn't know, I know a lot is different between the two.

Did you not watch the Buu saga at all???

The energy for the spirit Bomb is
LIFE ENERGY.

Draining too much of it makes you tired and collapse draining too much CAN KILL YOU. It’s NOT ki. Goku drained a ton from billions of people and warriors on Earth but even then it was a small amount to not kill them and Buu was still pushing it back!

Further it’s made of 10 people so it should either be too weak or should have killed them but just like Roshis containment wave it doesn’t seem to drain people in Super like it does in the rest of the series which is why people are having a cow. It is not following the established lore of the technique.

Further Goku formed it, Jiren pushed it back. We know you either need to be pure hearted or really strong to push the spirit Bomb back or reflect it. It was dumb because Jiren could be both. It’s even dumber that Goku got hit with it when he should be able to reflect it and HE KNOWS THAT because he TOLD EVERYONE ELSE THAT!!! Unless he’s no longer pure hearted which means he should have been able to form the spirit Bomb in the first place. Look I keep saying this was all really cool but doesn’t give a crap about the established lore at all... so idk what to say

I'll admit I hadn't sat down and watched the entirety of the Boo saga since two years ago so I can be saying some ignorant stuff from memory loss
I thought it worked with an individual having different channels of energy that wouldn't interfere with your basic energy such as being able to run distances but if that isn't the case then I'm wrong. I assumed with the progression the franchise has taken that characters would be able to train to be able to sustain enough energy that it wouldn't drain them such as in video games your stamina starts off short but as you level up you gain more of it which is why I thought Roshi would be able to do the containment wave three times since its been noted he does off screen training.

If taking too much energy would make one exhausted and or collapse then technically wouldn't 17 and 18 still be able to sustain giving large donations of energy if they don't tire? I know they are biological too so I'm sure there is a limit but I wouldn't know that to be honest.

When you compare Jiren's take on the spirit bomb against Boo's then yeah it does look silly now. I don't think Goku necessarily got hit by it, just swallowed by it and pushed it back from within like how in Sonic if you touch a spike from the side the spike isn't hitting you though I suppose it wouldn't matter with how you can get HIT by a ball even if it was done with the weakest throw.

YOU KNOW WHAT I JUST REMEMBERED ROSHI DOING THE KAMEHAMEHA AND DROPPING I'M WRONG ABOUT ENERGY IN GENERAL

[Luso Saiyan]

Did you not watch the Buu saga at all???

The energy for the spirit Bomb is
LIFE ENERGY.

Draining too much of it makes you tired and collapse draining too much CAN KILL YOU. It’s NOT ki.

Ki and 'life energy' are the exact same thing.

[Cetra]

I don't keep up with the Super manga so I wouldn't know, I know a lot is different between the two.

No one is talking about Toyble's manga. I am talking about Dragon Ball vol. 42.