Discussion specifically regarding the "Dragon Ball Super" TV series premiering July 2015 in Japan, including individual threads for each episode.
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BrolyKale
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by BrolyKale » Tue Oct 24, 2017 3:16 am
In this episode we will see "Kafla" or "Kefura" probably a fusion between Caulifla and Kale.
And if you remember we see a girl in the opening and she doesn't exactly look like Kale, her eyes are different and it looks like she is wearing the Potara earrings and the shadow covers the second bang.
But that's just a theory, don't take it too seriously. Maybe it's just Kale I don't know. I'm really impatient to know the truth.
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by Michsi » Tue Oct 24, 2017 4:28 am
I actually like the idea that this might be the fusion. Something as big of a plot point as fusion would've definitely been discussed long before they started animating the arc, so it is highly likely that this really is Kefla (?) in the opening. But I'm not completely sure those are potara she is wearing. Kale has large round earrings too, although they're gold.
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by namekiansaiyan » Tue Oct 24, 2017 5:19 am
Michsi wrote:I actually like the idea that this might be the fusion. Something as big of a plot point as fusion would've definitely been discussed long before they started animating the arc, so it is highly likely that this really is Kefla (?) in the opening. But I'm not completely sure those are potara she is wearing. Kale has large round earrings too, although they're gold.
Every little detail of the story is surely written before for any sort of animation or art is done.
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by Kataphrut » Tue Oct 24, 2017 5:23 am
I like the theory that intro girl is actually the fusion. I don't think it'll be Potara though, that opens up too big a can of worms. If Zeno let that slide (and let's face it, they probably would if Goku convinced them it would be cool), suddenly every other Universe will start demanding it be allowed. You'll have Kais tossing their earrings into the ring like coins. Mass hysteria.
It'll be the fusion dance. Note that you can't see below that girls' head in the intro shot. Jiren's gigantic shoulders could well be hiding a Metamoran vest.
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by Xeogran » Tue Oct 24, 2017 5:34 am
And doesn't she have two bangs too in the OP shot, while Kale has only one?
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by Michsi » Tue Oct 24, 2017 5:38 am
Xeogran wrote:And doesn't she have two bangs too in the OP shot, while Kale has only one?
It seems like that, but it's not clear. The most important clue here are the eyes. A lot of people assumed it was a mistake and that they accidentally gave Kale Caulifla's sharper eyes, but all things now point towards this being foreshadowing.
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by Saturnine » Tue Oct 24, 2017 5:40 am
Metamorese Fusion for sure.
I don't think it's prohibited by the rules, since it's just a battle technique devised by mortals, rather than a tool-assisted merger like with the Potaras.
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by MKCSTEALTH » Tue Oct 24, 2017 3:21 pm
IF it happens, it'll be Metamoran. Kale has silver earrings on already. Plus that'd be direct assistance from the Gods which would be a no go (though I'm not all entirely sure what went on with Super Ribrianne and that outside help).
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by Lionel » Tue Oct 24, 2017 7:22 pm
Potara Earrings aren't too difficult to get a hold of. Kibito materialised some for Gohan as they were flying to the plateau where the Z-Sword was implanted. Now I doubt Kale or Caulifla know how to magically materialise objects, but I don't see why they couldn't already have some on their person thanks to Champa demanding that his Kaioshin counterpart give them a pair for use prior to the tournament's commencement. You might say that it's against the rules to use such things since they're derived from the deities, but technically so is Kaioken. Did Zeno or anyone else take issue with Goku using that technique?
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by Zagacious » Tue Oct 24, 2017 9:04 pm
It's probably the fusion dance if anything, which I doubt they'll do but it'd be interesting. It would explain the 'new warrior' they're talking about, although unless their fusion maintains the LSSJ form Kale has then it probably wouldn't be much stronger. I'm pretty sure the 'new fighter' they're talking about is just Kale in her LSSJ form (or a new variation of it) , but it'd be a nice surprise to see it's a fusion.
Lionel wrote:Potara Earrings aren't too difficult to get a hold of. Kibito materialised some for Gohan as they were flying to the plateau where the Z-Sword was implanted. Now I doubt Kale or Caulifla know how to magically materialise objects, but I don't see why they couldn't already have some on their person thanks to Champa demanding that his Kaioshin counterpart give them a pair for use prior to the tournament's commencement. You might say that it's against the rules to use such things since they're derived from the deities, but technically so is Kaioken. Did Zeno or anyone else take issue with Goku using that technique?
I doubt Zeno would know what a godly technique is vs a mortal technique. It's using an external item that grants a lot of power though so I'd think the Grand Priest might object to it, I think if any fusion takes place it'll be Goku quickly teaching them the fusion dance. Although did Goku ever even learn or witness the fusion dance in canon? If not then Piccolo would have to be the one to teach them.
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by Dragon Wukong » Wed Oct 25, 2017 1:46 am
I'm hoping we get two-toned hair half-SS half-LSS like Karoly from Fusions.

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by TBMx » Wed Oct 25, 2017 5:22 am
I'm sure it's just to reintroduce fusion so they can use it later with Gogeta.

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by namekiansaiyan » Wed Oct 25, 2017 5:28 am
TBMx wrote:I'm sure it's just to reintroduce fusion so they can use it later with Gogeta.

It is probably being used so Goku gets his Ultra Instinct form back.
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by TBMx » Wed Oct 25, 2017 7:14 am
namekiansaiyan wrote:TBMx wrote:I'm sure it's just to reintroduce fusion so they can use it later with Gogeta.

It is probably being used so Goku gets his Ultra Instinct form back.
If a currently weak Goku actually regains Ultra Instinct then surpasses Jiren on his own with it just through "improvement" in under 20 minutes, then it'll take him what, a day to surpass Whis? A week to surpass the Grand Priest?

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by namekiansaiyan » Wed Oct 25, 2017 11:12 am
TBMx wrote:namekiansaiyan wrote:TBMx wrote:I'm sure it's just to reintroduce fusion so they can use it later with Gogeta.

It is probably being used so Goku gets his Ultra Instinct form back.
If a currently weak Goku actually regains Ultra Instinct then surpasses Jiren on his own with it just through "improvement" in under 20 minutes, then it'll take him what, a day to surpass Whis? A week to surpass the Grand Priest?

Ultra Instict is not something he can automatically activate. He is going to need it to fight Jiren again.
It seems like he needs a trigger so this fusion could be it especially as this should be extremely strong.
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by TBMx » Wed Oct 25, 2017 11:17 am
namekiansaiyan wrote:TBMx wrote:namekiansaiyan wrote:
It is probably being used so Goku gets his Ultra Instinct form back.
If a currently weak Goku actually regains Ultra Instinct then surpasses Jiren on his own with it just through "improvement" in under 20 minutes, then it'll take him what, a day to surpass Whis? A week to surpass the Grand Priest?

Ultra Instict is not something he can automatically activate. He is going to need it to fight Jiren again.
It seems like he needs a trigger so this fusion could be it especially as this should be extremely strong.
So lets deduct the time for him to activate it again. Lets say it takes ten minutes for him to get it back. That means he has only ten minutes left to go from being only able to barely move Jiren, to being able to actually beat him. That's why I think the Goku alone theory is bunk.
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by namekiansaiyan » Wed Oct 25, 2017 11:21 am
TBMx wrote:namekiansaiyan wrote:TBMx wrote:
If a currently weak Goku actually regains Ultra Instinct then surpasses Jiren on his own with it just through "improvement" in under 20 minutes, then it'll take him what, a day to surpass Whis? A week to surpass the Grand Priest?

Ultra Instict is not something he can automatically activate. He is going to need it to fight Jiren again.
It seems like he needs a trigger so this fusion could be it especially as this should be extremely strong.
So lets deduct the time for him to activate it again. Lets say it takes ten minutes for him to get it back. That means he has only ten minutes left to go from being only able to barely move Jiren, to being able to actually beat him. That's why I think the Goku alone theory is bunk.
They will probably say something like his body wasn't used to it last time and now it is.so he performs much better in the new form.
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by Torturephile » Wed Oct 25, 2017 11:29 am
I'm more interested in her personality. Knowing that Kale is shy while Caulifla aggressive, I'm curious as if the fusion will combine the best of both characters like Vegetto, of would it combine the worst of them like Gotenks.
From Super episode 113 thread:
MaskedRider wrote:Torturephile wrote:hunduel wrote:I liked this episode. I seriously don't know why people hate it.
namekiansaiyan wrote:I seriously don't see why some of you like this episode when nothing happened and was basically filler.
The fandom in a nutshell.
The duality of man.
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by TBMx » Wed Oct 25, 2017 11:34 am
namekiansaiyan wrote:TBMx wrote:namekiansaiyan wrote:
Ultra Instict is not something he can automatically activate. He is going to need it to fight Jiren again.
It seems like he needs a trigger so this fusion could be it especially as this should be extremely strong.
So lets deduct the time for him to activate it again. Lets say it takes ten minutes for him to get it back. That means he has only ten minutes left to go from being only able to barely move Jiren, to being able to actually beat him. That's why I think the Goku alone theory is bunk.
They will probably say something like his body wasn't used to it last time and now it is.so he performs much better in the new form.
If he can adapt and progress that fast, what's the point in continuing the series after that? New villain shows up, Goku progresses to his level in ten minutes, the end.