Where were Piccolo and Vegeta?

Grandmaster J · Post by **Grandmaster J** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 5:44 pm

Where were they during DBZ movie #10 when Goten, Trunks, Videl and Gohan were getting their asses kicked by Broly? Vegeta couldn't have been dead at the time because it was before Buu. Wasn't it? From what I remember, he was still living at Bulma's after the Cell Games, and before the World Tournament, which is where this movie takes place, I think. And Piccolo had to be on Earth at the time. I know that the movies, with the exception of movie #1, are all side stories, that are supposed to have no connection to the series whatsoever. But it still seems a bit weird that Vegeta, especially Piccolo, never even showed up. Hell, even Kuririn showed up towards the end!! And he had Piccolo's costume on too. WTF was that all about?

Anyway, I've always wondered about this. And I think the movie, which is still pretty good in my opinion, would've definitely been more action-packed if Piccolo and Vegeta came out to help fight the returning Broly. And they probably wouldn't have even needed Goku's (spirit) assistance.

Any explanations?

Am I forgetting something here?

Sebastian (SB) · Post by **Sebastian (SB)** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 5:58 pm

"It's a movie!!"

Of course that would the realistic answer. The way I see it though, Movies 10-11 had much emphasis on Son Goten & Trunks. So I see it as something like Trunks & Goten's little adventures or something....That didn't answer your question but whatever.

Steven Perry · Post by **Steven Perry** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 6:23 pm

Grandmaster J wrote:Am I forgetting something here?

Sipping tea!

Piccolo was on Kami's lookout, sipping tea!

(podcast reference)

Mr.Piccolo · Post by **Mr.Piccolo** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 6:58 pm

Vegeta wasn't in Movie 10 because he didn't want any from Broli. Broli didn't fight Piccolo because he didn't want it from the big green.

Godo · Post by **Godo** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 7:48 pm

DUH!

Piccolo and Vegeta were killed by Brolly and Oolong long before the fight with Goten and Trunks, but we wasn't shown that.

The ending will come in movie #33 - "Puar vs. Oolong, battle for Earth, suppa shapeshifting battle powwa!"

I can be kind and tell that they were killed and Karin turned into an Oozaru, making Chi-Chi's sleeping powers awake, thus making Turtle into Kami, and with the new dragonballs, which can be reactivated after only week, they got revived! But lateron, when Turtle got cocky, they wished everything back as normal, like in the end of all movies.

Sorry, I just had to write that.

But seriously, the simple answer is that "if the sons of the greatest fighters couldn't, who else could?". Simply. And we all know that Videl could't do anything. Against Brolly that is.

Li'l Lemmy · Post by **Li'l Lemmy** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 8:21 pm

SHAMELESS PLUG - In my review of Movie 10, I wrote:Omitting some of the more classic characters is a bold, risky move, and from one perspective appears to defy logic. I could understand Piccolo not showing up, but it strikes me as particularly odd that Vegeta is a no-show. What's more, I find it strange that Vegeta should be mentioned by Trunks-- which I would take as a foreshadowing to his arrival-- and still not appear. I suppose Vegeta was ommited specifically so that we could create excuses as to why, because I can't say I know of any plausible reason for it; after all, Goku has the notable handicap of being dead, but that doesn't stop him. Maybe Vegeta was sleeping.

Vegeta was sleeping in Movie 9 too, but sensing Bojack's overwhelming ki snapped him awake . . . so I've since revised the review to say that I think he and Bulma were gettin' it on at the time. What else would keep the Saiyan prince from glorious battle?

And that's my opinion.

Godo · Post by **Godo** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 8:28 pm

Li'l Lemmy wrote:
SHAMELESS PLUG - In my review of Movie 10, I wrote:Omitting some of the more classic characters is a bold, risky move, and from one perspective appears to defy logic. I could understand Piccolo not showing up, but it strikes me as particularly odd that Vegeta is a no-show. What's more, I find it strange that Vegeta should be mentioned by Trunks-- which I would take as a foreshadowing to his arrival-- and still not appear. I suppose Vegeta was ommited specifically so that we could create excuses as to why, because I can't say I know of any plausible reason for it; after all, Goku has the notable handicap of being dead, but that doesn't stop him. Maybe Vegeta was sleeping.
Vegeta was sleeping in Movie 9 too, but sensing Bojack's overwhelming ki snapped him awake . . . so I've since revised the review to say that I think he and Bulma were gettin' it on at the time. What else would keep the Saiyan prince from glorious battle?

And that's my opinion.

NO! It was Oolong and Brolly, you aren't getting it right!

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 8:29 pm

Vegeta didn't show up because he was the strongest being on Earth by then and would've completely overshadowed the Next Generation losers.

Mr.Piccolo · Post by **Mr.Piccolo** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 8:34 pm

Godo wrote:DUH!

Piccolo and Vegeta were killed by Brolly and Oolong long before the fight with Goten and Trunks, but we wasn't shown that.

The ending will come in movie #33 - "Puar vs. Oolong, battle for Earth, suppa shapeshifting battle powwa!"

I can be kind and tell that they were killed and Karin turned into an Oozaru, making Chi-Chi's sleeping powers awake, thus making Turtle into Kami, and with the new dragonballs, which can be reactivated after only week, they got revived! But lateron, when Turtle got cocky, they wished everything back as normal, like in the end of all movies.

Sorry, I just had to write that.

But seriously, the simple answer is that "if the sons of the greatest fighters couldn't, who else could?". Simply. And we all know that Videl could't do anything. Against Brolly that is.

I think Toriyama is Godo (or mabye, brace yourself, the other way around)..!

Grandmaster J · Post by **Grandmaster J** » Fri Sep 08, 2006 1:40 am

Alright, alright. Enough already!

Vegeta and Bulma were making Bra at the time. And Piccolo was in the middle of some intense meditation up at Kami's lookout. Either that, or he was training in the Time Chamber. That should explain it.

I still don't get why Kuririn would show up in Piccolo style clothing. That's just plain weird. It doesn't make any sense at all.

Bah! Movie #10 is one weird turn of events!!

Domon · Post by **Domon** » Fri Sep 08, 2006 1:52 am

I still don't get why Kuririn would show up in Piccolo style clothing. That's just plain weird. It doesn't make any sense at all.

It's just the writers poking fun on a long-standing "tradition". Every DBZ movie up to that point had a scene where Piccolo saves Gohan in the nick of time. Now here the same thing happens yet again, but wait... it's not Big Green... it's Kuririn! Wearing Big Green's clothes for no real reason!

That's all there is to it.

MartianOddity · Post by **MartianOddity** » Fri Sep 08, 2006 10:20 am

One could say these possible events occured:

1) Kuririn showed up in Piccolo's clothes, right? Piccolo just didn't feel for saving Gohan's life just another time (he has to do it every time, regardless the difference between their strengths) so he just put on his own clothes on Kuririn and said: "You're weaker than him too, just help him out, you'll get wiped out just as quickly as I would." Now there are two possibilities that explains to us why on earth Kuririn would go there: A) Kuririn, loosing a bet with Piccolo, had to do this no matter what his own will was. B) Kuririn was out of his mind.

2) About Vegeta, there are two possibilities why he didn't show up: A) Vegeta was on the other side of Earth and didn't manage to get there in time, and turned back as fast as he felt Brolly's energy vanish. Then he felt ashamed and never told about this, and whenever someone would ask him, he would just mumble something and look away. B) Vegeta was scared and didn't want to get a can of whoop-ass from Brolly again.

No, seriously, they probably wanted to focus on other characters at that time. They maybe wanted to break some clichés and make something new. Maybe Trunks and Goten were ver, very popular at the time they created the movies with them, and to gain as much money as they could, the producers had to focus on them. As we all know, their roles in movies 12 and 13 declined sort of. In 12 they were the funny "sidekicks" and didn't contribute to finish off the main enemy really. In movie 13 they fought some to satisfy the Goten/Trunks/Gotenks fans, but got wiped out quickly. This could mean that their popularity was the greatest during the period of movie 10 and 11, I guess that's the time they got introduced in the show.

Godo · Post by **Godo** » Fri Sep 08, 2006 10:27 am

MartianOddity wrote:One could say these possible events occured:
In movie 13 they fought some to satisfy the Goten/Trunks/Gotenks fans, but got wiped out quickly.

Yeah, I agree! I mean, Gotenks is stronger than Goku (in SSJ3 that is). Goku even told so! Chou Gohan is stronger than both Goku and Gotenks! There is no way that Goku could have hurt Hildegarn if Gotenks and Mystic Gohan couldn't. Sure, he found out the weak spot, but Gohan is clever too to find that out!
So yeah, what you said in your post is probably true.

Casual Matt · Post by **Casual Matt** » Fri Sep 08, 2006 11:48 am

Oh, please. Here's what REALLY happened in Movie 10.

Once Vegeta felt Broli's ki, he dropped to his knees and started babbling about how the Legendary Super Saiyajin would kill them all.

Taku128 · Post by **Taku128** » Fri Sep 08, 2006 1:37 pm

The Lecherous Muten Roshi wrote:Oh, please. Here's what REALLY happened in Movie 10.

Once Vegeta felt Broli's ki, he dropped to his knees and started babbling about how the Legendary Super Saiyajin would kill them all.

XD, I wouldn't be suprised.

Drunken Master · Post by **Drunken Master** » Fri Sep 08, 2006 3:19 pm

Haha. That's probably what happened. Screw Vegeta, I always wanted to know where Tenshinhan was in the Garlic Jr. movie AND 'saga'. That just never sat well with me. Or how about movie #2? The World's Strongest? Tenshinhan beat Roshi and Goku and was another level above Kuririn. He was one of the world's strongest!

Yes, yes. I'm a fanboy.

Grandmaster J · Post by **Grandmaster J** » Fri Sep 08, 2006 4:39 pm

Drunken Master wrote:I always wanted to know where Tenshinhan was in the Garlic Jr. movie AND 'saga'. That just never sat well with me. Or how about movie #2? The World's Strongest? Tenshinhan beat Roshi and Goku and was another level above Kuririn. He was one of the world's strongest!

I too have wondered about that. But we all know how Tenshinhan likes to train by himself with Choatsu. Still, he was definitely one of the world's strongest at the time. There's no question about it. Who knows why Dr. Wheelo never tried to grab him. Ah well. The movie still kicked ass nonetheless. Same goes for movies 1,5,6,7,8,10,12 and 13 (didn't care for movies 4 and 11), despite the absence of Tenshinhan.

Back on topic, I watched movie #10 again last night. I like the movie a lot. It's just that when Gohan finally showed up (probably his best entrance ever besides when he faced Super Buu), his fight with Broly, which was still very cool, didn't even last that long. Had Piccolo and Vegeta came to help him out, it would've made for an awesome, and longer battle.

Li'l Lemmy · Post by **Li'l Lemmy** » Fri Sep 08, 2006 7:30 pm

Well, perhaps there is no real explanation for Vegeta's absence. But with the help of mind-expanding LSD, a lot of us have managed to come up with some credible theories. Good for us!

Steven Perry wrote:Sipping tea!

Piccolo was on Kami's lookout, sipping tea!

Yes, he was. Imagine it, with his green demon fingers elegantly holding that cup of steaming tea. And his pinky finger oh-so-slightly askew in a fruity sort of way.

Godo wrote:NO! It was Oolong and Brolly, you aren't getting it right!

Huh? Oh, but I thought YOUR explanation was canon. Didn't they make that into a saga?

Rocketman wrote:Vegeta didn't show up because he was the strongest being on Earth by then and would've completely overshadowed the Next Generation losers.

"Next Generation losers"?

Either that's a pun on Star Trek, or I smell someone bashing GOTEN!! (*gets out his smackdown stick and waves it threateningly in the air*) You take that back, you bastard!

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Fri Sep 08, 2006 7:32 pm

Li'l Lemmy wrote:"Next Generation losers"?

Either that's a pun on Star Trek, or I smell someone bashing GOTEN!! (*gets out his smackdown stick and waves it threateningly in the air*) You take that back, you bastard!

I'll help.

In the name of Goten and Picard, I stand ready to smite!

Godo · Post by **Godo** » Sat Sep 09, 2006 7:41 am

Li'l Lemmy wrote:
Godo wrote:NO! It was Oolong and Brolly, you aren't getting it right!
Huh? Oh, but I thought YOUR explanation was canon. Didn't they make that into a saga?

It was! The thing is, Oolong and Brolly took care of Piccolo and Vegeta, but Oolong didn't want to take part in the "assassination" of the others. He is using the pili pili pills as a drug ya know, so he had to make it home to eat some.
The story is canon indeed. And yes, it's a "lost saga". It's like a complement for the movie. It's there among "Lost saga 2 - Karin's tea cup, sipping tea!".
So there yo go.

Kanzenshuu

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