Has Vegeta been a good character as of recently? I think not.

[Khandom101]

If truth be told guys, Super has portrayed and shown Vegeta to be a simple minded brute. He doesn't think His plans out, is very hot-headed, extremely arrogant and not to mention plain stupid. Now, you guys might say that he is smart in other fields, he is a good father (which I humbly disagree) and husband but Super is a battle shonen series so the main focus or highlight of the series are things related to martial arts.
The major example of his stupidity in this particular arc is trying to challenge Jiren (Reason = Arrogance) even when he knows what he did to Goku ssbkkx20 and Hit who are respectfully beyond his battle prowess, he is either highly arrogant (as usual) or just plain dumb if he thinks he has what it takes to even touch Jiren let alone harm him. Second point, not helping Goku out with the spirit bomb (for Gods sake, even Freeza helped out) Third, he is still trying to one up Goku in this arc even when his universe is on the line (Seriously, can't he put his stupid rivalry with Goku aside for one arc, is that too much to ask).
He is still bitter and jealous of Goku (I though we were passed that). He is still overthinks when Whis taught him not too . He regressed a lot as a character In this arc, the majority of his character development has been tossed aside (other than the love he has for his family). He now reminds me of android/cell saga Vegeta. There is a lot I can talk about when it comes to Vegeta's character but I want to keep it short.

I dare say, I find Vegeta to be the worst character in the tournament besides ribrianne (not to mention, very boring)
Vegeta in this arc =
Please, share your honest thought and opinions. Have a nice day or night, whatever suits you best.

[namekiansaiyan]

Vegeta getting stressed out because of he is getting beat by someone stronger than him is always the best moment I get from him in any arc. As long as that continues in this arc then Vegeta act however he like for the rest of the arc as you can tell I don't really care about him.

[SsjCookie]

As much as I like Vegeta as a character, I'll have to agree with you when it comes with the display of Vegeta in this tournament.
Vegeta just never learns.
I blame the writers though, they always play the same scenario between Goku and Vegeta and it becomes highly annoying.

It's always the same, Goku always wins and Vegeta gets to mope about it afterwards.
I'm hoping for a different outcome this tournament though.

[Khandom101]

Vegeta getting stressed out because of he is getting beat by someone stronger than him is always the best moment I get from him in any arc. As long as that continues in this arc then Vegeta act however he like for the rest of the arc as you can tell I don't really care about him.

That has kinda been overused but it is very entertaining and not mention hilarious. The least Vegeta could do (other than bore us to death) is entertain us by getting his yearly ass whopping.

[Khandom101]

As much as I like Vegeta as a character, I'll have to agree with you when it comes with the display of Vegeta in this tournament.
Vegeta just never learns.
I blame the writers though, they always play the same scenario between Goku and Vegeta and it becomes highly annoying.

It's always the same, Goku always wins and Vegeta gets to mope about it afterwards.
I'm hoping for a different outcome this tournament though.

Nah, I'll have respectfully disagree, Goku in super has lost most of his major fights. Beerus defeated him twice, freeza kinda defeated him, frost, hit, Goku black, merged Zamasu and Jiren have all defeated him. Goku has been losing a lot in Super but in way he has also been winning. As for the Goku and Vegeta rivalry, it has become very boring as Goku doesn't give a shit about him anymore while Vegeta is constantly trying one up him.

[Kaiosama]

As much as I like Vegeta as a character, I'll have to agree with you when it comes with the display of Vegeta in this tournament.
Vegeta just never learns.
I blame the writers though, they always play the same scenario between Goku and Vegeta and it becomes highly annoying.

It's always the same, Goku always wins and Vegeta gets to mope about it afterwards.
I'm hoping for a different outcome this tournament though.

Nah, I'll have respectfully disagree, Goku in super has lost most of his major fights. Beerus defeated him twice, freeza kinda defeated him, frost, hit, Goku black, merged Zamasu and Jiren have all defeated him. Goku has been losing a lot in Super but in way he has also been winning. As for the Goku and Vegeta rivalry, it has become very boring as Goku doesn't give a shit about him anymore while Vegeta is constantly trying one up him.

Vegeta has regressed so much and has become quite unlikable as a character IMO. It's annoying when someone talks a bunch of crap and then always gets bodied. It's the same BS with his bitterness towards Goku, "Damn you Kakarot! I'll master UI before you and finally surpass you!" (while he has yet to access the form while Goku has already tapped into it twice). What happened to him accepting that Goku was and will always be a more superior and talented warrior to him? It's become a parody at this point and I can't wait for him to get bodied by Jiren. Sorry... I can't stand the guy. He's one of the worst characters in Shonen in IMO.

[TheMikado]

Vegeta was one of my favorite characters.
but I really don't feel he contributes anything of value to any storyline other than being a strong character who is not Goku and solely exists to for Goku to "take a break".

Really in any of the arcs would the story proceed differently had they replaced Vegeta with an equally strong character?

In the Namek arc we know a bunch of what happened was a direct result of Vegeta being Vegeta. No one else could fill that role.
In the android saga we know Vegeta is specifically why Cell achieved his perfect form and a character of equal strength likely would have made a different decision. But because of Vegeta's personality the plot progressed.
Even the Buu saga we know things likely would have ended before Buu was even released if not for Vegeta.

Unfortunately nothing Vegeta does as a character drives the plot forward right now and he is very replaceable.

[SsjCookie]

As much as I like Vegeta as a character, I'll have to agree with you when it comes with the display of Vegeta in this tournament.
Vegeta just never learns.
I blame the writers though, they always play the same scenario between Goku and Vegeta and it becomes highly annoying.

It's always the same, Goku always wins and Vegeta gets to mope about it afterwards.
I'm hoping for a different outcome this tournament though.

Nah, I'll have respectfully disagree, Goku in super has lost most of his major fights. Beerus defeated him twice, freeza kinda defeated him, frost, hit, Goku black, merged Zamasu and Jiren have all defeated him. Goku has been losing a lot in Super but in way he has also been winning. As for the Goku and Vegeta rivalry, it has become very boring as Goku doesn't give a shit about him anymore while Vegeta is constantly trying one up him.

Goku ALWAYS wins when it matters.
(Zamasu arc excluded, but that wasn't his fight to lose)
If Goku loses it never looks that way, especially in comparison with Vegeta who never seems to win any significant battles.
Goku wins when he HAS to win, making everyone else look bad (esp Vegeta) in the process.

[SsjCookie]

Unfortunately nothing Vegeta does as a character drives the plot forward right now and he is very replaceable.

So true!

[Lord Beerus]

I haven't really been all that intrigued with Vegeta in this arc. Some of his moments in battle have been alright, and I think the best we've see from him, from a character perspective, is his interactions with Cabba in Episode 112. But as a whole, he hasn't really done anything noteworthy... yet.

I also don't really mind Vegeta boasting about his strength, because that's just him expressing his confidence. Plus, because of his attitude being like this, we got this amazing exchange:

Toppo: "Fight with me!"
Vegeta: "I'm not interested in the second fiddle."
Toppo: "Aren't you the second fiddle too?"

The only really "what the fuck" moment I've noticed of Vegeta's characterization in this arc was him not giving energy to Goku's Genki Dama. That was absurd.

[sintzu]

The manga has done a much better job with him.

[Anime Kitten]

Vegeta being arrogant is just part of his character. I don't understand why people think that, just because he acknowledged Gokū as better than him in the Boo arc, he has to totally give up on being prideful and trying to surpass him. Sure, he's swallowed his pride before, but those moments were in no way permanent.

Vegeta may have a family and respect for his rival, but he's still a Saiyan. If he dropped his pride and arrogant attitude in the company of others (especially other fighters), I would be disappointed, because that's not who Vegeta is.

[PsionicWarrior]

Considering how he used to act all submissive to Beerus or that he put a pacifier in his mouth in the past, I would say he as of now he is doing OK lol

Unfortunately nothing Vegeta does as a character drives the plot forward right now and he is very replaceable.

So true!

Even if he does not drive the plot towards he is not replaceable, simply because he is Vegeta. They could do more with him, yes, but I rather see him like now than not see him at all.

Plus, because of his attitude being like this, we got this amazing exchange:
Toppo: "Fight with me!"
Vegeta: "I'm not interested in the second fiddle."
Toppo: "Aren't you the second fiddle too?"

Also

Toppo: "If you're so interested in Son Goku's fight, I'll let you watch it in peace from the bench!"

Did someone say punchline hehehe

[TheMikado]

Considering how he used to act all submissive to Beerus or that he put a pacifier in his mouth in the past, I would say he as of now he is doing OK lol

Unfortunately nothing Vegeta does as a character drives the plot forward right now and he is very replaceable.

So true!

Even if he does not drive the plot towards he is not replaceable, simply because he is Vegeta. They could do more with him, yes, but I rather see him like now than not see him at all.

Plus, because of his attitude being like this, we got this amazing exchange:
Toppo: "Fight with me!"
Vegeta: "I'm not interested in the second fiddle."
Toppo: "Aren't you the second fiddle too?"

Also

Toppo: "If you're so interested in Son Goku's fight, I'll let you watch it in peace from the bench!"

Did someone say punchline hehehe

I think I'm saying that Vegeta's parts could all be played by a powered up Piccolo and the story would still play out the same and make sense.

[snpaa]

The problem is that they are trying to regress his character back into what he use to be, but clearly they don't want to go back to saiyan saga , namek saga and cell saga vegeta where he was absolutely ruthless, went against the wishes of the rest of the cast and capable of anything . So now he just comes off as pale imitation of himself without any teeth to leave a significant impression.

I really don't see what's appealing about vegeta's character in super , who gives a shit if he loves his family , we already knew that from watching the buu saga that he clearly gave a shit about them, now it feels like that they expect me go AWWWWWWWWWWW like a 80/90s studio audience every time vegeta has normal interaction with his family as if this is some sort of big revelation in his character development - NO IT'S NOT This was established 20 fucking years ago.

Now the new direction they seem to be going with vegeta is making him into a mentor for cabba, my biggest problem with this is the mentor shtick has already been done with piccolo and gohan also goku with master roshi, kami, korin,etc. Arguably I'd say the most impactful version would be piccolo and gohan and I doubt super writers would be skilled enough to make it on par with that.

[Khandom101]

Considering how he used to act all submissive to Beerus or that he put a pacifier in his mouth in the past, I would say he as of now he is doing OK lol

So true!

Even if he does not drive the plot towards he is not replaceable, simply because he is Vegeta. They could do more with him, yes, but I rather see him like now than not see him at all.

Plus, because of his attitude being like this, we got this amazing exchange:
Toppo: "Fight with me!"
Vegeta: "I'm not interested in the second fiddle."
Toppo: "Aren't you the second fiddle too?"

Also

Toppo: "If you're so interested in Son Goku's fight, I'll let you watch it in peace from the bench!"

Did someone say punchline hehehe

I think I'm saying that Vegeta's parts could all be played by a powered up Piccolo and the story would still play out the same and make sense.

I actually want piccolo to have some major relevancy to the plot. Introducing the Namekian book of legends could somehow make piccolo relevant again. He might even get a power up rivaling Ssb or dare I say U.I

[Khandom101]

The problem is that they are trying to regress his character back into what he use to be, but clearly they don't want to go back to saiyan saga , namek saga and cell saga vegeta where he was absolutely ruthless, went against the wishes of the rest of the cast and capable of anything . So now he just comes off as pale imitation of himself without any teeth to leave a significant impression.

I really don't see what's appealing about vegeta's character in super , who gives a shit if he loves his family , we already knew that from watching the buu saga that he clearly gave a shit about them, now it feels like that they expect me go AWWWWWWWWWWW like a 80/90s studio audience every time vegeta has normal interaction with his family as if this is some sort of big revelation in his character development - NO IT'S NOT This was established 20 fucking years ago.

Now the new direction they seem to be going with vegeta is making him into a mentor for cabba, my biggest problem with this is the mentor shtick has already been done with piccolo and gohan also goku with master roshi, kami, korin,etc. Arguably I'd say the most impactful version would be piccolo and gohan and I doubt super writers would be skilled enough to make it on par with that.

I kinda like the master/student relationship Vegeta has with cabba, there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. I mean cabba is a saiyan so it makes sense for Vegeta to mentor him, it's not that big of a character development (he has pride in the saiyan race so it's not very surprising) but if it were some none-saiyan being that he was mentoring then that would have been a huge development for Vegeta.
I agree, that the fan base exaggerates Vegeta's relationship with his family like it's there first time seeing it, when it's not. Like I said before, Vegeta has become extremely boring.

[Totamo]

There is a reason why toriyama throws characters when he is done developing them, they have served their purpose.


Vegeta existed to be a rival to Goku, now Goku has 2 much better rivals.

[Totamo]

As much as I like Vegeta as a character, I'll have to agree with you when it comes with the display of Vegeta in this tournament.
Vegeta just never learns.
I blame the writers though, they always play the same scenario between Goku and Vegeta and it becomes highly annoying.

It's always the same, Goku always wins and Vegeta gets to mope about it afterwards.
I'm hoping for a different outcome this tournament though.

Nah, I'll have respectfully disagree, Goku in super has lost most of his major fights. Beerus defeated him twice, freeza kinda defeated him, frost, hit, Goku black, merged Zamasu and Jiren have all defeated him. Goku has been losing a lot in Super but in way he has also been winning. As for the Goku and Vegeta rivalry, it has become very boring as Goku doesn't give a shit about him anymore while Vegeta is constantly trying one up him.

Goku ALWAYS wins when it matters.
(Zamasu arc excluded, but that wasn't his fight to lose)
If Goku loses it never looks that way, especially in comparison with Vegeta who never seems to win any significant battles.
Goku wins when he HAS to win, making everyone else look bad (esp Vegeta) in the process.

name one fight Goku won in super that mattered and Freeza doesn't count since he lost first.

[Khandom101]

Nah, I'll have respectfully disagree, Goku in super has lost most of his major fights. Beerus defeated him twice, freeza kinda defeated him, frost, hit, Goku black, merged Zamasu and Jiren have all defeated him. Goku has been losing a lot in Super but in way he has also been winning. As for the Goku and Vegeta rivalry, it has become very boring as Goku doesn't give a shit about him anymore while Vegeta is constantly trying one up him.

Goku ALWAYS wins when it matters.
(Zamasu arc excluded, but that wasn't his fight to lose)
If Goku loses it never looks that way, especially in comparison with Vegeta who never seems to win any significant battles.
Goku wins when he HAS to win, making everyone else look bad (esp Vegeta) in the process.

name one fight Goku won in super that mattered and Freeza doesn't count since he lost first.

In a way the fight against Kefla was kinda major nonetheless Goku has lost most of his major fights but people will still complain.