Outdated - Do you care?

[ABED]

I'm constantly running into these sort of comments, in here and many other places, and I'm wondering, does it really matter to you how "dated" anything is, be it music or animation?

[Cure Dragon 255]

No. Quality is timeless. If something becomes "Dated" it surely wasnt good to begin with.

[Hyena_Yamcha]

not at all .

i love many Anime from the 80s


outdated doesn't equal bad .

[RedRibbonSoldier#42]

Especially not with 2D animation. Old low framerate black and white movies from like the 30's or early wonky 3D CGI are kind of hard to look at, but drawn pictures (assuming they were good to begin with) always just look like they're supposed to.

[ABED]

I would say that good stories are timeless, though production methods and music does change over time. That doesn't mean it isn't good, just that it's not in line with current trends. But much like art can cross cultural boundaries, art can cross temporal boundaries.

Old low framerate black and white movies from like the 30's or early wonky 3D CGI are kind of hard to look at

The show ReBoot looks very dated by today's standards, but the stories hold up.

[Cure Dragon 255]

Again, QUALITY endures. No matter how.

[Jackalope89]

"Outdated" is such a poor term. Unless referring to things like pogs and what not (short-lived and unique solely to that era).

Honestly, my favorite music is classic rock from the 50s through the early 90s (often told back in high school that I grew up in the wrong decade in regards to music). And some of the most popular anime are the older series out there (Dragon Ball, Sailor Moon, Pokemon, etc). So, age really has nothing to do with it. Its all about quality/entertainment value.

[Cure Dragon 255]

I'm going to give Jackalope a HIGH FIVE!

[Kuwabara]

I'm constantly running into these sort of comments, in here and many other places, and I'm wondering, does it really matter to you how "dated" anything is, be it music or animation?

No, in fact I tend to shy away from anything too "in-your-face" about how modernized its sensibilities are.

[sintzu]

I think the old Cel animation and art style (among other things) used in the original DB & Z is leagues ahead of what we have now (compared to Toei's current long running shows) so no, I don't care how old something is as long as it's good.

Unfortunately there are people who won't touch anything that doesn't have a certain "modern" feel to it which is a huge shame cause shiny doesn't = good.

I do think that the term outdated is somewhat negative cause it implies that whatever you're talking about isn't good simply because it's old.

[precita]

It's outdated in the sense that Dragonball has dated storytelling. Events in a saga take hundreds of episodes to unfold. Many eps, including filler, seem like a way to stall for these events.

Dragonball story-wise has never been all that great, it's just the characters and lore that make it interesting. The bare-bones story of each saga is, "Saiyans land on Earth, everyone must train," "Keep Dragonballs away from the evil Freeza" "Stop evil Androids warned by boy from Future and then stop Cell" and "Pink bubblegum menace is unleashed on the world we can't stop him."

Dragonball has never been that good story wise. It's Toriyama's humor and lore/characters that make each arc worth watching. #Not that good. 2018.

[Chuquita]

I'd run out of stuff to watch and listen to if I limited myself to only brand new stuff. I watch and listen to both old and new shows/movies/music.

Besides we're eventually all going to be "outdated" ourselves. Quality doesn't limit itself to a single set of years, imo. It's all subjective anyway.

[ABED]

It's outdated in the sense that Dragonball has dated storytelling. Events in a saga take hundreds of episodes to unfold. Many eps, including filler, seem like a way to stall for these events.

Dragonball story-wise has never been all that great, it's just the characters and lore that make it interesting. The bare-bones story of each saga is, "Saiyans land on Earth, everyone must train," "Keep Dragonballs away from the evil Freeza" "Stop evil Androids warned by boy from Future and then stop Cell" and "Pink bubblegum menace is unleashed on the world we can't stop him."

Dragonball has never been that good story wise. It's Toriyama's humor and lore/characters that make each arc worth watching. #Not that good. 2018.

What's "dated storytelling"?

You seem to limit the story to just the DBZ arcs. And you seem to imply that the simple nature of the stories is a negative, which is quite the opposite.

[TheGreatness25]

I think there's a certain charm to "outdated" stories. I mean, take for instance Full House. Yeah, I'm going there. The 90's version of Full House is absolutely "outdated," but it has charm. Yes, we know that in today's world, everything is totally different -- the cars, the way they communicate, silly things like DJ wanting her own phone in her room, etc. But fast forward to now with Fuller House where they spend a bunch of time on cell phones and whatnot, and yet, there's no soul behind it. Same with Boy Meets World and Girl Meets World.

Basically, I don't think that the quality of a story rests on whether it's "dated" or not. I think that you can feel the heart behind a project and see the charm of something that's "dated" versus something modern that has no life behind it. Take any classic really. Would Dracula be better if he were finding his victims through Tinder? Would Back to the Future II be better if he went into our actual 2015? Would Terminator 2 be better if he was running around with a cell phone tracking John Connor? The answer is "no."

I might not have given the best examples, but I'm trying to illustrate that I don't need something to be modern to be enjoyable. I enjoy a ton of movies and TV shows that are "dated."

But this all circles back to what I've seen VegettoEX say a lot -- how are you relating this to Dragon Ball? Are you seeing that lots of people believe that Dragon Ball is dated? Because I wouldn't understand that. Dragon World is something so bizarre and unique, that I don't think that the story can be dated. The music is not dated either, in my opinion, because it's the good old classic instrumental score, which is being done in modern times with many films (especially superhero films). The sound quality can be debated, but it is what it is. As for the animation, oh well. I find that there's a lot of charm to the old school style rather than having it digital. Then again, there are many times where the animation is wonky. But I think it's fine. I think that Batman The Animated Series is much better than any subsequent Batman cartoon despite the wonky animation at times and the fact that Batman didn't run around with an iPad.

[ABED]

I think there's a certain charm to "outdated" stories. I mean, take for instance Full House. Yeah, I'm going there. The 90's version of Full House is absolutely "outdated," but it has charm. Yes, we know that in today's world, everything is totally different -- the cars, the way they communicate, silly things like DJ wanting her own phone in her room, etc. But fast forward to now with Fuller House where they spend a bunch of time on cell phones and whatnot, and yet, there's no soul behind it. Same with Boy Meets World and Girl Meets World.

Basically, I don't think that the quality of a story rests on whether it's "dated" or not. I think that you can feel the heart behind a project and see the charm of something that's "dated" versus something modern that has no life behind it. Take any classic really. Would Dracula be better if he were finding his victims through Tinder? Would Back to the Future II be better if he went into our actual 2015? Would Terminator 2 be better if he was running around with a cell phone tracking John Connor? The answer is "no."

I might not have given the best examples, but I'm trying to illustrate that I don't need something to be modern to be enjoyable. I enjoy a ton of movies and TV shows that are "dated."

But this all circles back to what I've seen VegettoEX say a lot -- how are you relating this to Dragon Ball? Are you seeing that lots of people believe that Dragon Ball is dated? Because I wouldn't understand that. Dragon World is something so bizarre and unique, that I don't think that the story can be dated. The music is not dated either, in my opinion, because it's the good old classic instrumental score, which is being done in modern times with many films (especially superhero films). The sound quality can be debated, but it is what it is. As for the animation, oh well. I find that there's a lot of charm to the old school style rather than having it digital. Then again, there are many times where the animation is wonky. But I think it's fine. I think that Batman The Animated Series is much better than any subsequent Batman cartoon despite the wonky animation at times and the fact that Batman didn't run around with an iPad.

DId you not read the first comment? How does this not relate to DB? I've constantly seen comments on here about DB having dated animation and music. I constantly see comments about the latter especially from Faulconer fans who claim Kikuchi's score sounded dated. I've seen people write about how the animation for DB looked dated, but DBZ looked modern.

[8000 Saiyan]

I don't really care if something's outdated since it can still be good.

X-Men TAS might have crappy animation, but the stories and voice acting still hold up. Same thing with Batman and Spider-Man TAS.

[DragonBallFoodie]

Generally I can enjoy stuff from different eras.

As for DB, it does feel a bit outdated, partly because of its 80s-90s setting (particularly the tech, which marks it as a product of its time) and partly because the saga is in constant flux with the main characters developing through new threats and a lot of supporting characters going in and out.

[floofychan333]

Hell no I don't care. If I'm still watching/reading/playing something that's old(ish), it's stood the test of time and in many ways is superior to a lot of modern media.

[KBABZ]

Absolutely not! I first got into Dragon Ball when I was twelve and it aired on Cartoon Network. It was nearly 20 years old at that point!

[TheGreatness25]

[spoiler]

I think there's a certain charm to "outdated" stories. I mean, take for instance Full House. Yeah, I'm going there. The 90's version of Full House is absolutely "outdated," but it has charm. Yes, we know that in today's world, everything is totally different -- the cars, the way they communicate, silly things like DJ wanting her own phone in her room, etc. But fast forward to now with Fuller House where they spend a bunch of time on cell phones and whatnot, and yet, there's no soul behind it. Same with Boy Meets World and Girl Meets World.

Basically, I don't think that the quality of a story rests on whether it's "dated" or not. I think that you can feel the heart behind a project and see the charm of something that's "dated" versus something modern that has no life behind it. Take any classic really. Would Dracula be better if he were finding his victims through Tinder? Would Back to the Future II be better if he went into our actual 2015? Would Terminator 2 be better if he was running around with a cell phone tracking John Connor? The answer is "no."

I might not have given the best examples, but I'm trying to illustrate that I don't need something to be modern to be enjoyable. I enjoy a ton of movies and TV shows that are "dated."

But this all circles back to what I've seen VegettoEX say a lot -- how are you relating this to Dragon Ball? Are you seeing that lots of people believe that Dragon Ball is dated? Because I wouldn't understand that. Dragon World is something so bizarre and unique, that I don't think that the story can be dated. The music is not dated either, in my opinion, because it's the good old classic instrumental score, which is being done in modern times with many films (especially superhero films). The sound quality can be debated, but it is what it is. As for the animation, oh well. I find that there's a lot of charm to the old school style rather than having it digital. Then again, there are many times where the animation is wonky. But I think it's fine. I think that Batman The Animated Series is much better than any subsequent Batman cartoon despite the wonky animation at times and the fact that Batman didn't run around with an iPad.

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DId you not read the first comment? How does this not relate to DB? I've constantly seen comments on here about DB having dated animation and music. I constantly see comments about the latter especially from Faulconer fans who claim Kikuchi's score sounded dated. I've seen people write about how the animation for DB looked dated, but DBZ looked modern.

Hmm...

I'm constantly running into these sort of comments, in here and many other places, and I'm wondering, does it really matter to you how "dated" anything is, be it music or animation?

No. Quality is timeless. If something becomes "Dated" it surely wasnt good to begin with.

Yep, you got me there. The first comment completely explains that this is Dragon Ball related.

I already gave my stance on it -- including the answer to your question of if I care (which is no). The only real question that matters is if you care. Enjoy what you like. If someone believes that the series is dated, you really can't say anything about it because in some ways it is. It's all a matter of preference and neither is right or wrong. I gave an entire explanation in response to your original question and you focused on the little part where I asked in what way you were relating this to Dragon Ball, in a way trying to coax something discussion-worthy out of you. You didn't really specify anything in your opening statement. You just kind of made a blog-style title and didn't really give a lot of context. Your question is super vague and open-ended and I was asking you to narrow it down a bit and relate it to Dragon Ball. It's not much of a discussion when the answer can be, "Nope."