Toppo is NOT stronger than Sidra

[Amir]

Everyone who thinks this is fact is 100% wrong. You are saying it only because Toppo's hakai damaged Frieza a lot while Sidra's hakai didn't.
But Sidra wasn't using the full power of the hakai, just a portion of it, while Toppo was bloodlusted and serious, so how in the world can people say something so stupid and call it a fact?

Sidra has been a GOD for a very long time, nothing in the anime suggested he is the weakest GOD, unless you want to take statements about his fragile personality out of context and because of how he was surprised when he saw Blue Goku (not a valid reason since many GODs including Beerus get worked up and shocked at mortals's power even when it's below them) and in the manga he was as strong as any other GOD, and he even blocked a full power attack from Beerus - who is in the top3.

[WhatIfTheories]

Everyone who thinks this is fact is 100% wrong. You are saying it only because Toppo's hakai damaged Frieza a lot while Sidra's hakai didn't.
But Sidra wasn't using the full power of the hakai, just a portion of it, while Toppo was bloodlusted and serious, so how in the world can people say something so stupid and call it a fact?

Sidra has been a GOD for a very long time, nothing in the anime suggested he is the weakest GOD, unless you want to take statements about his fragile personality of his out of context and because of how he was surprised when he saw Blue Goku (not a valid reason since many GODs including Beerus get worked up and shocked at mortals's power even when it's below them) and in the manga he was as strong as any other GOD, and he even blocked a full power attack from Beerus - who is in the top3.

You are 100% correct. Anyone saying Toppo is stronger than Sidra as fact is spreading misinformation. To think some big youtubers have even said that Golden Frieza is stronger than Sidra is insane!! Did they not do analysis that Sidra gave a tiny portion of his energy to an assassin to complete a mission and in no way represent Sidra's Full power? Sidra could easily accomplish any feat of strength Toppo did the last episode and he doesn't have to charge his Hakai.

It bothered me so much I made a video clearing everything up for everyone to set the record straight

Toppo vs Sidra, Why Sidra is Still Stronger Than Toppo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uW8hN1jF5Q&t

[ToshioWrites]

Sidra hakai energy didn't even kill goku in his base form and for a moment goku was able to compress it which lets you know sidra gave that dog Absolutely nothing and then the dog split it into 3.

Also all sidra knew about freeza was that he was pure evil and could blow up planets and those videos were from pre- namek arc era. Also the sidra hakai thing was just a toei thing. If you read the manga, goku straight up says at the exhibition match that he has no chance vs any god of destruction

[prince212]

Yeap , sidra just gave some hakai energy to a dog that used it to attack Freeza ..( Toei filler ).?....we only can think that Freeza got so confident thinking he’ll stop that attack from Toppo and Toei wanted an homeage to namek battle , there’s no proofs to say who is stronger. sidra himself said that when it comes to barriers no one can match his speed .

[TheShadowEmperor8055]

Everyone who thinks this is fact is 100% wrong. You are saying it only because Toppo's hakai damaged Frieza a lot while Sidra's hakai didn't.
But Sidra wasn't using the full power of the hakai, just a portion of it, while Toppo was bloodlusted and serious, so how in the world can people say something so stupid and call it a fact?

Sidra has been a GOD for a very long time, nothing in the anime suggested he is the weakest GOD, unless you want to take statements about his fragile personality of his out of context and because of how he was surprised when he saw Blue Goku (not a valid reason since many GODs including Beerus get worked up and shocked at mortals's power even when it's below them) and in the manga he was as strong as any other GOD, and he even blocked a full power attack from Beerus - who is in the top3.

Deceiving thread title, but there's no definitive proof that Toppo is the strongest of the Hakaishin or whatever fans want to fabricate. But Toppo's still a powerful Hakaishin nonetheless.

[WhatIfTheories]

Everyone who thinks this is fact is 100% wrong. You are saying it only because Toppo's hakai damaged Frieza a lot while Sidra's hakai didn't.
But Sidra wasn't using the full power of the hakai, just a portion of it, while Toppo was bloodlusted and serious, so how in the world can people say something so stupid and call it a fact?

Sidra has been a GOD for a very long time, nothing in the anime suggested he is the weakest GOD, unless you want to take statements about his fragile personality of his out of context and because of how he was surprised when he saw Blue Goku (not a valid reason since many GODs including Beerus get worked up and shocked at mortals's power even when it's below them) and in the manga he was as strong as any other GOD, and he even blocked a full power attack from Beerus - who is in the top3.

Deceiving thread title, but there's no definitive proof that Toppo is the strongest of the Hakaishin or whatever fans want to fabricate. But Toppo's still a powerful Hakaishin nonetheless.

I agree I would change the thread title to have a better discussion. People are reading the title and thinking you think that Toppo is stronger than Sidra instead of discussing why do people think that.

New thread title - Why do people think Toppo is stronger than Sidra

[Kenneth La Torre]

regardless, everyone was impress with toppo, including the angles if you look at their face expressions. Toppo is shown as a powerful hakaishin. And he has had personal G.o.D training with Marcarita, which is a factor on his power. I hope there’s some statements next episode on where he stands.

[ernesth100]

We honestly need some ranking for the GoD power levels. Scaling or something to go by before we can assume any one is stronger than another.

[Kamiccolo9]

I think a better point to make is that it's odd that so many people seem to be infuriated by some ideas that other fans have. If you're getting so mad at other fans over their "theories" (guesses?) about a cartoon, then maybe you should step back and reevaluate your priorities.

[Kanious]

We don't know. Toppo can be stronger than Sidra? Yes, it can be, but as of now there's no way we can surely know if he is stronger or weaker, or about the god powerscaling. The anime doesn't explain everything well and the manga seems like another version of the same story, i can't see how people get mad about fans theorizing if these same people are also THEORIZING, as DBS is too vague about these kind of information.

[OLKv3]

I think a better point to make is that it's odd that so many people seem to be infuriated by some ideas that other fans have. If you're getting so mad at other fans over their "theories" (guesses?) about a cartoon, then maybe you should step back and reevaluate your priorities.

Because you people like to spread false information around as fact, and then it gets thrown around as fact, and then you complain and bash others/the show when your fanfiction isn't fact after all.

[VegettoEX]

I think a better point to make is that it's odd that so many people seem to be infuriated by some ideas that other fans have. If you're getting so mad at other fans over their "theories" (guesses?) about a cartoon, then maybe you should step back and reevaluate your priorities.

Because you people like to spread false information around as fact, and then it gets thrown around as fact, and then you complain and bash others/the show when your fanfiction isn't fact after all.

Your response doesn't make any sense, particularly in response to the post you're directly quoting. You're lumping a broad, nebulous group of people all together as one to argue against.

This, along with many other posts in this thread, is not an appropriate way to carry on a conversation.

[fadeddreams5]

There's no definitive proof, but I speculate that Toppo is stronger than Sidra. First of all, Sidra seems to be the weakest GoD, based on the universe he derives from. Secondly, based on the context of the writing, Frieza's flashback to Sidra's attack seems indicative that the writers are practically telling us that Toppo is stronger. Third, you can't say Toppo was serious and bloodlusted, given the fact that he is not allowed to kill in this tournament; he too held back considerably.

[OLKv3]

I think a better point to make is that it's odd that so many people seem to be infuriated by some ideas that other fans have. If you're getting so mad at other fans over their "theories" (guesses?) about a cartoon, then maybe you should step back and reevaluate your priorities.

Because you people like to spread false information around as fact, and then it gets thrown around as fact, and then you complain and bash others/the show when your fanfiction isn't fact after all.

Your response doesn't make any sense, particularly in response to the post you're directly quoting. You're lumping a broad, nebulous group of people all together as one to argue against.

This, along with many other posts in this thread, is not an appropriate way to carry on a conversation.

How doesn't it make sense? He's pretty insulting in his post to anyone who may be bothered by the type of theories OP is describing, and I gave him the answer why.

[Zamasu55]

Toppo wasn't serious either.

He's stronger than Sidra.

[Zamasu55]

Yeap , sidra just gave some hakai energy to a dog that used it to attack Freeza ..( Toei filler ).?....we only can think that Freeza got so confident thinking he’ll stop that attack from Toppo and Toei wanted an homeage to namek battle , there’s no proofs to say who is stronger. sidra himself said that when it comes to barriers no one can match his speed .

Again with this filler nonsense.

There's no filler in Super, deal with it. It's not like the old Dragon Ball.

[prince212]

Yeap , sidra just gave some hakai energy to a dog that used it to attack Freeza ..( Toei filler ).?....we only can think that Freeza got so confident thinking he’ll stop that attack from Toppo and Toei wanted an homeage to namek battle , there’s no proofs to say who is stronger. sidra himself said that when it comes to barriers no one can match his speed .

Again with this filler nonsense.

There's no filler in Super, deal with it. It's not like the old Dragon Ball.

Ok sorry if that “filler” sentence bother you , I just meant to say that I don’t think that is in Toriyama s ideas from point a to point b , I can’t see a dog borrowing energie from sidra as a part of the plot , so I tend to call filler to all those chapters that don’t seem to fit in the important things of the arcs , so there’s a lot of what I call Toei filler( development of the story ) , some are better than others ... Just talking ... has sense for me , and if doesn’t have for you , excuse me .

[Amir]

I think a better point to make is that it's odd that so many people seem to be infuriated by some ideas that other fans have. If you're getting so mad at other fans over their "theories" (guesses?) about a cartoon, then maybe you should step back and reevaluate your priorities.

The people I'm mad at are the ones who state it as fact, which is nonsense. Yes I can get a little mad over anime and stuff like that, not to the degree like some terrible youtube comments but it definitely bothers me and your comment won't change that.
If you don't have anything related to the actual topic then don't comment at all.

[VegettoEX]

You can't come in, start a thread with angry comments and sweeping definitive statements, and be indignant about it when people either don't agree with your or correctly call out your inappropriate behavior.

That being said: please leave the moderation to the moderators and administrators. If you feel a post does not live up to the community guidelines (as linked above, and as agreed to twice by all registered members), please use the built-in functionality to report it for review.

[Amir]

There's no definitive proof, but I speculate that Toppo is stronger than Sidra. First of all, Sidra seems to be the weakest GoD, based on the universe he derives from. Secondly, based on the context of the writing, Frieza's flashback to Sidra's attack seems indicative that the writers are practically telling us that Toppo is stronger. Third, you can't say Toppo was serious and bloodlusted, given the fact that he is not allowed to kill in this tournament; he too held back considerably.

Yes he might have, but obviously he held back less since he was still serious and used a much bigger and stronger hakai. He was definitely serious after what Frieza said and did to him and he was using his true power. Sidra still used much less power, he gave a small portion of the hakai to that fodder dog.

Based on the situation and the size of the hakai, it's safe to assume Toppo was holding back less than Sidra.

Now, there's nothing that suggests the power difference between GOD1 and GOD2 has anything to do with the power difference between GOD1's universe and GOD2's universe.
And as for the context of the writing, it seemed to me more like they were trying to tell us that Toppo used a much stronger hakai then Sidra's. But I can understand that point. Like you said there's no proof that Toppo is stronger than Sidra but he could be.

You can't come in, start a thread with angry comments and sweeping definitive statements, and be indignant about it when people either don't agree with your or correctly call out your inappropriate behavior.

That being said: please leave the moderation to the moderators and administrators. If you feel a post does not live up to the community guidelines (as linked above, and as agreed to twice by all registered members), please use the built-in functionality to report it for review.

I never started this with any angry comment, I just said saying Sidra is weaker than Toppo for a fact is stupid, which is true, unless you say it was inappropriate because I used the word stupid even though it was attributed to a cerain claim, not to someone here personally. I have no problem if people disagree with me, I mean it's perfectly fine, but this guy was commenting about something entirely different, he came up with something completely off topic and irrelevant just to mock me about getting upset over a cartoon or whatever which was clearly provocative, you calling that ''correctly call out''? How absurd.

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