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The Buu Saga: Is it Really Formulaic?

Post by Majin Buu » Fri Oct 27, 2006 6:01 pm

This was written recently in a previous thread that I just had to repond to being a fan of the buu saga and all so I posted it here instead of going off topic in that thread:
Mr.Piccolo wrote:The Buu Arc wasn't very complex, imo. The Cell Arc had some good elements in it, but the Buu Arc seemed like it was just a formula. New transformations, fuse some characters, and have rivals fight again. Just looking at Gohan's fate in that saga shows how that saga was thrown together.


Maybe it was thrown together, but I think the Buu saga was actually less formulaic then people give it credit for:

1. The new super transformation and it's power isn't the deciding factor in the villian's defeat in the end.

2. The villian is something different than the previous ones: He's goofy, funny, and childlike in addition to being evil. Even when he becomes Super Buu he retains some of that funny goofiness (were Freeza and Cell characters you could honestly laugh at even though they commited acts of evil?). It isn't until he absorbs Gotenks and Piccolo that he becomes more like Freeza and Cell (IE, formulaic). And lets not get into all of his wierd but cool ablilities (regeneration and absorption were used before yes, but Buu's got his own unique take on both them)

3. The major villian temporarily becomes a good person, but because of the henious actions of two foolish humans, literally has a good vs. evil struggle with himself and relapses into evil.

4. The final form of the villian isn't his strongest form (looking at the evidence from the manga).

5. The strongest person isn't the one who kills the villian.

6. Everyone has a hand in killing the villian, not just the strongest person/hero.

7. The Genki Dama is successful for once.

8. For once the villian does incredible damage to planet Earth, killing just about everyone on it and even completly destroying it while the other villians mearly boasted about destroying said planet and killing everyone on it (you could argue that Freeza ravaged and destroyed planet Namek but that wasn't our heroes' home planet unless you count Piccolo).

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and have rivals fight again.
Well maybe (though I don't remember that happening much in Dragonball), but given that Goku and Vegeta were "rivals", they'd only fought each other once before (and by this point that was a hell of a long time ago), doesn't it make sense for them to fight again at least one more time?

10. You mentioned this yourself: Fusion, while really just a new way to make stronger characters, was something new and interesting.

11. There's an increased emphasis on humor, which we hadn't seen since early Dragonball.

12. And finally, almost the entire cast is killed off.

The Buu Arc wasn't very complex, imo.

Maybe, but that's something the whole series is guilty of.

So, what do you all think based on that?

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Post by Mr.Piccolo » Fri Oct 27, 2006 6:20 pm

Oh dear... I think that an arc after Cell would have more depth when it comes to the story. Picture this: Martial artists who battled the strongest being in the universe, so strong that the guardian of the universe fears him. The heroes think that this villian is killed but the villian comes back and is defeated by a warrior from the future who warns them about incredibly strong enhanced humans who take pleasure in destroying the world. To make matters worse, those cyborgs are absorbed by another creation who uses a time machine to come back to the current timeline. That story is followed by an evil version of Gumby..? Come on. The Cell Arc was the peak of the show, imo. It seems that the Buu Arc was a bunch events that every fanboy would dream about. I mean, Gohan could have destroyed Chibi Buu. If anything, wouldn't Yemma send him to fight on the Kaioshin planet? When the heroes revived all of the people that were killed (Bulma's wish), why didn't they question Gohan's death? If the Fat Buu was eaten by the Thin one and changed, how come Bulma and the others didn't change Super Buu? There are so many confusing elements to that Arc and its the shortest, right? Please don't get me wrong, I don't hate it, I just think it doesn't match up to its predecessor. (PM much :o )
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Post by Rocketman » Fri Oct 27, 2006 6:40 pm

Cell arc was not that good. It's convulted, yes, but that doesn't mean it's good.

Like so:

Goku: "I am the Super Saiyan!"
Trunks: "Well, so am I!"
Vegeta: "And so am I!"
Future Gohan: "So am I!"
Kid Gohan: "So am I, and I'm stronger than all of you despite being a lazy sonofabitch, KAUZ I GOTS POTENTIAAAAALLL!!"

Freeza: "Surprise! I'm back and even stro-" *gets killed by Marty-Stu..er, Trunks*
19 & 20: We're stronger!
17 & 18: No, we're stronger!
16: ... lol *dies*
Cell: You fools, I am the strongest!!1!
2nd Cell: Seriously.
Perfect Cell: I ain't kidding.
Super Perfect Cell: Yup.

Trunks: Don't you mock me, dad! I was trained by Gohan!
Vegeta: ... *laughs himself into a Zenkai*

Gohan: All my friends and my dad are about to die and can't be brought back! *pusses out*
16: Free your spirit.
Gohan: Oh, right. *BAMF!*

Gohan: Welp, my arm's broken. Time to give up.
Goku: Fucking pansy. Grow some balls already.
Gohan: But daaaad...

Goku: I'm gonna stay dead, guys. But don't worry, Gohan can protect you!
Z Fighters: *nervous laughter*
*Goku leaves*
Krillin: We're boned.
Piccolo: Yup.

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Post by Mr.Piccolo » Fri Oct 27, 2006 6:49 pm

[Well if you put it that way]
Like so:
Gohan: I'm the strongest in the universe.
Videl: Go to the tournament.
Gohan:Okay.
Vegeta: I'm going too even though I said I would never fight again.
-later-
Goku: Hey what's up?
Kaioshin: We need your help.
Goku: Okay.
-later-
Babidi: We need all of the aryans, er, saiyans' energy to revive a monster that was on this planet but no one knew about.
Dabura: Yeah, bitches.
-later-
Vegeta: Okay, I give in.
Goku: (The strongest saiyan gets knocked down and everyone saw that coming except him)
-More to come, don't quote me yet-
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Post by fps_anth » Fri Oct 27, 2006 7:07 pm

Rocketman wrote:Cell arc was not that good. It's convulted, yes, but that doesn't mean it's good.

Like so:

Goku: "I am the Super Saiyan!"
Trunks: "Well, so am I!"
Vegeta: "And so am I!"
Future Gohan: "So am I!"
Kid Gohan: "So am I, and I'm stronger than all of you despite being a lazy sonofabitch, KAUZ I GOTS POTENTIAAAAALLL!!"

Freeza: "Surprise! I'm back and even stro-" *gets killed by Marty-Stu..er, Trunks*
19 & 20: We're stronger!
17 & 18: No, we're stronger!
16: ... lol *dies*
Cell: You fools, I am the strongest!!1!
2nd Cell: Seriously.
Perfect Cell: I ain't kidding.
Super Perfect Cell: Yup.

Trunks: Don't you mock me, dad! I was trained by Gohan!
Vegeta: ... *laughs himself into a Zenkai*

Gohan: All my friends and my dad are about to die and can't be brought back! *pusses out*
16: Free your spirit.
Gohan: Oh, right. *BAMF!*

Gohan: Welp, my arm's broken. Time to give up.
Goku: Fucking pansy. Grow some balls already.
Gohan: But daaaad... *hits puberty* WOAHHOLYSHITPOWAHKAMEHAMEHA!
Cell: Ew. *explodes*

Goku: I'm gonna stay dead, guys. But don't worry, Gohan can protect you!
Z Fighters: *nervous laughter*
*Goku leaves*
Krillin: We're boned.
Piccolo: Yup.
Dude, I'm fucking ROLLING ON FLOOR LAUGHING. :lol: :lol:

As for the discussion, I think that the Buu saga was very well done, just not as good as the Cell saga. IMO, there are more twists in the Buu saga then the Cell saga.

Here's my list of twists in the Buu saga:

OMG new enemies pwn SSJ2 Gohan, and have to free a really strong enemy. But, the Z warriors are much stronger then them!

BAM! Vegeta gets possessed by Babidi and he's Majin Vegeta! (did not see that coming)

Now, we were so close to preventing this new evil, but Goku and Vegeta fucked it all up. Buu comes out, kills the shit out of Kaioshin and Gohan.

But Vegeta is going to blow up now! He'll certainly kill Buu! OMFGBLOWSUP

.....Well, not quite. Buu regenerates. Flies around killing people. Goku stops him and OMFG NEW SUPER SAIYAJIN STAGE WITH the LONG HAIR LOL! SHURELY GOKU WILL KILL HIM NOW!

Again, not quite. Goku teaches Trunks and Goten a fusion technique. SURELY this new uber fusion character will kill Buu.

But does he have to? It looks like Mr.Satan is able to convert Buu to...the good side? Earth is saved by Mr.Satan! OMFG TWIST!! :!:

NOT QUITE, because some humans are able to shoot Buu's doggy and new homie. Buu ANGRY! Anorexic Buu want Fat Buu! Now we have a new, eviler Buu! BWHAHAHAAH! :twisted:

Gotenks is going to fight him now as a SSJ, and it kinda beating him. BANG! Piccolo blows up the entrance to ROSAT. TWIST!

Buu is able to scream so loud that a portal opens and traps Piccolo and Gotenks in ROSAT. OMFG TWIST AGAIN! (Jesus, see how many twists are in the Buu saga so far? That's why I like it so much! :wink: )

Now, the world is doomed right? BOOM SSJ3 Gotenks gets himself and Piccolo out of the ROSAT and is ready for some serious Buu pwnage. Buu's about to get blown the fuck away. BAM! De-fuse. TWIST!

Buu is going to kill them and this shit is all over. But Mystic Gohan to the rescue! Gohan pwns the shit out of Buu, but then Buu absorbs Piccolo and Gotenks! ANOTHER TWIST OCCURS!

Gohan is getting his ass handed to him right now. Its all over. Goku comes back, but it doesn't mean anything. Earth loses. But then Gotenks de-fuses inside of Buu. TWIST!

Gohan is going to pwn Buu now! No Potara fusion needed! Untill Buu absorbs Gohan. TWIST!

Now, there isn't a chance in hell that Goku is going to win by fusing with Mr.Satan or Dende. But BANG Vegeta comes. TWIST

Vegeta and Goku fuse to create Vegetto and are beating the holy hell out of Buu. Until they get transformed into chocolate. TWIST!!!

Vegetto still has the upper hand....even though he's candy! Buu turns him back into a human, but Vegetto get's purposly absorbed by Buu! Seriously, it's all over now. THERES NOONE! But Goku and Vegeta find the pods of the people Buu absorbed and pull them out. Buu is de-transforming and Goku and Vegeta get out of his body. TWIST! WHAT WILL HAPPEN NOW!

Buu turns into a new form for some reason....and blows up Earth! SSJ3 Goku and SSJ2 Vegeta fight Kid Buu, but they can't beat him. Now what? A Genki-Dama! TWIST!

Goku gets enough energy with the Genki-Dama and kills Buu. END OF SERIES/TWISTS.

As you can see, the Buu saga was HELLA UNPREDICTABLE. Unlike the Cell saga, where it was mostly "Obviously Cell is going to get Perfect somehow..." and when Goku sent Gohan to fight, it was obvious that something big was going to happen involving Gohan.

Anyone else think that the Buu saga was unpredictable? :wink:

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Post by Xyex » Fri Oct 27, 2006 7:24 pm

Mr.Piccolo wrote:That story is followed by an evil version of Gumby..? Come on. The Cell Arc was the peak of the show, imo. It seems that the Buu Arc was a bunch events that every fanboy would dream about. I mean, Gohan could have destroyed Chibi Buu. If anything, wouldn't Yemma send him to fight on the Kaioshin planet? When the heroes revived all of the people that were killed (Bulma's wish), why didn't they question Gohan's death? If the Fat Buu was eaten by the Thin one and changed, how come Bulma and the others didn't change Super Buu? There are so many confusing elements to that Arc and its the shortest, right? Please don't get me wrong, I don't hate it, I just think it doesn't match up to its predecessor. (PM much :o )
1) Yemma didn't know where Gohan was. Remember, he wasn't dead, Yemma never saw him. Kibito took them straight to the Supreme Kai's world.

2) Because they had a lot of things on their mind and could have even thought he died after the wish or that the wish hadn't revived him due to phrasing or something.

3) Bulma and the other Humans don't exactly have much power. Thus they wouldn't have much influence on Buu's appearance. That aside, Fat Buu was the *only* thing that was both eaten and absorbed, simply due to his magical nature as Buu. Everyone else was just digested.

4) Yes, Gohan could have obliterated Kid Buu. So could Gotenks. But the JP fans demanded Goku. So, Toriyama-sama had Vegeta make the Earthlings save their own asses via the Spirit Bomb to give the fans what they wanted.
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Please, do you really think that the Prince of all Saiya-jins would go: "Oh, Kakarotto's coming back? Well, I'm done fighting so I guess he's the stronget there is now! *bows to Goku*"

Seriously.

And besides that, if you take Bojack as cannon (which can be done since it doesn't contradict!) then Bojack knocked some sense into Vegeta and got him back into training.
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Post by Majin Buu » Fri Oct 27, 2006 8:11 pm

2) Because they had a lot of things on their mind and could have even thought he died after the wish or that the wish hadn't revived him due to phrasing or something.
Plus, I don't think they knew Gohan was "dead" yet. They didn't find out what happened to him until after the wish was made when Goku told them at the palace.

3) Bulma and the other Humans don't exactly have much power. Thus they wouldn't have much influence on Buu's appearance. That aside, Fat Buu was the *only* thing that was both eaten and absorbed, simply due to his magical nature as Buu. Everyone else was just digested.


In addition, Goku and Vegeta question this as well inside Super Buu and Super Buu says that Fat Buu was the only exception.

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Post by Mr.Piccolo » Fri Oct 27, 2006 8:43 pm

Well I was gonna finish my Buu Arc summary, but fps_anth did a great job. :o Now to the topic at hand..
1) Yemma didn't know where Gohan was. Remember, he wasn't dead, Yemma never saw him. Kibito took them straight to the Supreme Kai's world.
I'm talking about Goku or the others sensing Gohan's ki. Wouldn't they realize he was still alive by just sensing ki.
2) Because they had a lot of things on their mind and could have even thought he died after the wish or that the wish hadn't revived him due to phrasing or something.
I don't know what Bulma/Yamcha said so I can't really comment. ^_^
3) Bulma and the other Humans don't exactly have much power. Thus they wouldn't have much influence on Buu's appearance. That aside, Fat Buu was the *only* thing that was both eaten and absorbed, simply due to his magical nature as Buu. Everyone else was just digested.
Wouldn't he gain knowledge of how the fusion works without Gotenks revealing its weakness (timelimit)?
4) Yes, Gohan could have obliterated Kid Buu. So could Gotenks. But the JP fans demanded Goku. So, Toriyama-sama had Vegeta make the Earthlings save their own asses via the Spirit Bomb to give the fans what they wanted.
I understand that but as I mentioned before, that seemed like such a predictable ending. Yemma could send Vegeta to fight Buu in his strongest form, but he can't send Gohan to fight?
Vegeta: I'm going [to] even though I said I would never fight again.
Please, do you really think that the Prince of all Saiya-jins would go: "Oh, Kakarotto's coming back? Well, I'm done fighting so I guess he's the stronget there is now! *bows to Goku*"Seriously.
And besides that, if you take Bojack as cannon (which can be done since it doesn't contradict!) then Bojack knocked some sense into Vegeta and got him back into training.
Having Vegeta fight Goku and basically "sell-out" to gain more power, makes him seem like even more of a prick then he already is,imo.

EDIT-Oh wait, there's more
Gohan is going to pwn Buu now! No Potara fusion needed! Untill Buu absorbs Gohan. TWIST!
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Post by zoiozazu » Fri Oct 27, 2006 9:08 pm

The point is...


Since the Sayan Arc, we have some relevant new points about the DB World.

In Sayan's Arc, we discover Goku's past.
In Freeza's Arc, we discover the Super Sayajin.
In Andoids Arc, there's the story about the future, the son surpassing his father...

But in Majin Boo...we have what? I dont like the visual of the villain...Too much jokes for me... Was that a final battle, wasnt it???


Vegeta and Goku fight? Yeah, that was nice, but i didnt like the end. Goku fainting with just a punch? Okay...

Z sword? Gotenks? Mystic Gohan? Vegetto?

...

So much talking, resulting in nothing.


Hm...Vejeta sacrficing to kill Majin Boo? To me, that was the GREATEST moment of the Saga...The hug that Vegeta gives in Trunks...that was really nice.

To me, the Saga could over by here...Three Super Saiyajins level 2, and a great evil ( Majin Boo) defeaed by another great evil (Vegeta), someone looking redemption... Off course it could not just over like it was there...A bunch off fights against Majin Buu would be necessary...But it would end like this way I talked.
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Post by Mr. Announcer » Fri Oct 27, 2006 9:45 pm

In all honesty, I liked the Boo saga better than the Cell saga. It brought back the spontaneity that I had felt from earlier in the series and a lot of the humor. Sure they came up with a lot of funky ways to try to beat Majin Buu that were for the most part useless but it was still entertaining to watch. I had the feeling that Toriyama was actually having more fun with it (maybe it being close to ending had something to do with it ) and I enjoyed the atmosphere.

I have no idea why people think the cell saga is the greatest thing that ever happened to DBZ. There were points when I was bored to tears watching it and though it concluded beautifully, I just wasn't feeling the whole android thing..... Especially after Cell became perfect, it was just so....not fun? I know that the Freeza saga was also very serious but somehow I felt that the plot played out much better in that arc, something was constantly happening. In the Cell saga there was just a whole lot of waiting around and not too much novelty, which is totally understandable since the series was getting so darn long.

All in all, I still liked it because there's no possible way for me to dislike DBZ but if you wanted Toriyama to keep writing some deep, serious drama, you would be asking him to be someone he's not. There was just something bland that I can't place about the Cell saga...
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Post by Rocketman » Fri Oct 27, 2006 10:21 pm

zoiozazu wrote:the son surpassing his father...
That's actually one of the parts I hated about DBZ. Gohan is a pussy. He hates fighting, he has to be forced into training, he whines about being forced to fight to his enemy, and then GIVES UP until Goku mentally backhands him.

Why the hell would you entrust everything you want protected to him?!

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Post by theoriginalbilis » Fri Oct 27, 2006 10:24 pm

Meh... I liked the Boo arc, just as much as the rest of the series. The only part that I felt that was boring/dragged-out was the Gotenks/Boo fight. That was like a couple chapters in the manga, but was like... 6-7 episodes in the anime... (I may be mistaken)

The Fusions were cool (though kinda gimmicky) and Gohan's return was badass. I was actually glad Goku came back to life, at least he still wanted to show the young'uns that they should protect the Earth instead of him.
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Post by Conan the SSJ » Fri Oct 27, 2006 11:03 pm

Rocketman wrote:
zoiozazu wrote:the son surpassing his father...
That's actually one of the parts I hated about DBZ. Gohan is a pussy. He hates fighting, he has to be forced into training, he whines about being forced to fight to his enemy, and then GIVES UP until Goku mentally backhands him.

Why the hell would you entrust everything you want protected to him?!
Damn Rocketman, you really love bashing Gohan. And for such a cruel reason. Gohan isn't a pure Saiyan, he wasn't raised by a mountain hermit to be as strong as steel, he was educated enough to learn about cicadas by the age of 3; in short, he isn't anything like Goku. I think the reason you're so pissed off about him is Gohan wasn't the kind of son Goten was, Gohan was raised by a stern Mother for the first 4(1/2) years of his life and then drastically thrown out of that safe and enclosed environment by an evil Uncle. It's a similar situation to Shinji Ikari, where he was forced to light-switch to a giant robot pilot in episode 1 of Evangelion and constantly save the world, the pressure and stress eventually mind fucking him into LCL oblivion. This is similar to Gohan because he's light-switched into another environment in such a drastic manner, and at such a young age (much younger than Shinji), with even 6 months of living with Piccolo; he's still bound to be scared and doubtful of himself.

Gohan has serious character development through out the series, on par with that of Vegeta's, and its his hidden potential that remains the one constant familiarity to him up to the Buu arc. In the Cell arc, he's still, just as Piccolo said, an 11 year old boy; much more prone to doubting himself and whatnot, especially since his Father just teleported to death. Gohan isn't Goku, he doesn't just get up ready to kick ass and fight whoever challenges him, especially before the Great Saiyaman arc. With hitting SSJ2, he caught the desire to kill in taking out the Cell Jr.s and Cell (later on Bojack and his crew as well), but he was still just a child raised differently from Goku and with different ambitions; so it's understandable he'd still doubt himself even after hitting SSJ2.

Coming into the Buu arc, while you despise the fact that Gohan gets the divine power-up of a lifetime for just sitting on his ass for 20 hours, this was an evolved almost-adult ready to truly save the world without his Father's mental hand, clearly seen in the first round he had against Super Buu. The Buu arc, if anything, you shouldn't bash Gohan in any way, unless you really are that pissed that he was the one character in the series to get a power-up as dramatic and anti-climatic as what Old Kaioshin provides. Cut Gohan some slack, he isn't his Father and he certainly isn't perfect, but I think I can speak for a few fellas here when I say DragonBall Z was his series. End of Freeza saga, he was left to carry the protection of planet Earth - End of Cell arc, he's surpassed his Father, taken the mantle of protector of the planet, and no longer self-doubting - The Buu arc, he was hyped probably ten fold more-so than the Fusion plot and even Goku's new SSJ3 level...if it wasn't for the whining, bitchy Goku-fanboys and Toriyama's whip-lashing editor, Gohan would've been allowed to save Earth and the universe without one trace of Goku backing him up (which seems to be the main reason you hate him so much, in that he always needed Goku's help in his youth, when he was a KID raised DIFFERENTLY).

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Post by DBW » Fri Oct 27, 2006 11:07 pm

The characters and ideas were very funny and playful during the Buu arc, and that's why I prefer it over the Cell arc.

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Post by Rocketman » Fri Oct 27, 2006 11:33 pm

Conan the SSJ wrote:Damn Rocketman, you really love bashing Gohan. And for such a cruel reason.
I don't have much of a problem with Gohan in and of himself, or as a supporting character. What gets my blood boiling is Gohan-as-main character/hero, especially the Cell Saga ending.

He also gets more cheapass powerups than any other character except maybe Goten and Kid Trunks. And, yes, I have a beef with them too. It just doesn't show as much because the kids don't get the same 'surpassing their father' schtick.

I don't like it when the heros get their power handed to them on a silver plate. Goku and to a lesser extent Piccolo and Vegeta, worked for their power. Yes, Goku and Vegeta got Zenkais, but they also pushed themselves to the brink of death in training, forcing their bodies to get stronger.

(Even Goku's 'magic' powerup, that Super Holy Water or whatever, nearly killed him! The worst thing Gohan had to deal with was ass blisters.)

Gohan does not. He completely relies on GRRANGWY or LOLMAGIC for his power. Hell, even when he does train, like the Time Chamber, it's just plain silly, even by DBZ standards.

Gohan goes into the Chamber weaker than Freeza. He walks out stronger than any non-SSJ2 character. In one year of training. Riiight.
Gohan isn't Goku
And that's the problem, he's not Goku. He's not Piccolo or even Vegeta. When you need a protector, why pick the one who's going to go into battle sniveling? Why pick the one who will piss away his strength whenever there's not an immediate threat?
The Buu arc, if anything, you shouldn't bash Gohan in any way, unless you really are that pissed that he was the one character in the series to get a power-up as dramatic and anti-climatic as what Old Kaioshin provides.
Honestly, that is my beef with Buu Saga Gohan. He can't lose because he keeps getting free shit.

He just proved himself unworthy of being the defender of Earth by pissing away his strength during peacetime, but HEY, no problem! The Author likes you, so here's this bigass random powerup! Congratulations, you're the hero of Earth again!

Goku and Vegeta train for seven years straight, acheive new levels of SSJ, become more powerful and skilled than ever...

Then get completely outclassed by two little kids doing a dance and one kid sitting on his ass.

Yeehaw.

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Post by tarsonis » Sat Oct 28, 2006 12:21 am

Rocketman, that is completely unfair. There's nothing wrong with him as a main character, or with any of his behavior in the series. I think you are over-analyzing. I'm not going to go into detail, because Conan already covered it all.

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Post by Taku128 » Sat Oct 28, 2006 12:35 am

Rocketman wrote:Cell arc was not that good. It's convulted, yes, but that doesn't mean it's good.

Like so:

Goku: "I am the Super Saiyan!"
Trunks: "Well, so am I!"
Vegeta: "And so am I!"
Future Gohan: "So am I!"
Kid Gohan: "So am I, and I'm stronger than all of you despite being a lazy sonofabitch, KAUZ I GOTS POTENTIAAAAALLL!!"

Freeza: "Surprise! I'm back and even stro-" *gets killed by Marty-Stu..er, Trunks*
19 & 20: We're stronger!
17 & 18: No, we're stronger!
16: ... lol *dies*
Cell: You fools, I am the strongest!!1!
2nd Cell: Seriously.
Perfect Cell: I ain't kidding.
Super Perfect Cell: Yup.

Trunks: Don't you mock me, dad! I was trained by Gohan!
Vegeta: ... *laughs himself into a Zenkai*

Gohan: All my friends and my dad are about to die and can't be brought back! *pusses out*
16: Free your spirit.
Gohan: Oh, right. *BAMF!*

Gohan: Welp, my arm's broken. Time to give up.
Goku: Fucking pansy. Grow some balls already.
Gohan: But daaaad...

Goku: I'm gonna stay dead, guys. But don't worry, Gohan can protect you!
Z Fighters: *nervous laughter*
*Goku leaves*
Krillin: We're boned.
Piccolo: Yup.
So awesome I made a sprite comic about it out of boredom.

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Post by Xyex » Sat Oct 28, 2006 12:44 am

I'm talking about Goku or the others sensing Gohan's ki. Wouldn't they realize he was still alive by just sensing ki.
Gohan was 99% dead prior to Kibito healing him. And then his stay on Earth before going to Otherworld was beyond short. It's not like Gohan powered up to his max and yelled out "Hey everyone, I'm still alive!" so it wouldn't be that hard to miss him. I mean, hell, Dabura was stronger than him and they didn't have a clue he was even there at all until he walked into the room with him.
Wouldn't he gain knowledge of how the fusion works without Gotenks revealing its weakness (timelimit)?
I'm not really sure what you mean here. :?
I understand that but as I mentioned before, that seemed like such a predictable ending. Yemma could send Vegeta to fight Buu in his strongest form, but he can't send Gohan to fight?
Again, I repeat, Yemma didn't know where Gohan was. Gohan wasn't dead, Gohan never passed through the check-in station, Yemma *couldn't* send Gohan.
The same guys that can catch bullets can't catch a single earring. Was that Toriyama leaning more towards the humor side?
Well, Gohan wasn't expecting it. And, don't forget, these same bullet catching guys couldn't catch a monkey either. :P
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Post by zoiozazu » Sat Oct 28, 2006 10:44 am

Rocketman wrote:
zoiozazu wrote:the son surpassing his father...
That's actually one of the parts I hated about DBZ. Gohan is a pussy. He hates fighting, he has to be forced into training, he whines about being forced to fight to his enemy, and then GIVES UP until Goku mentally backhands him.

Why the hell would you entrust everything you want protected to him?!
I really like GOhan...

He doesnt like to fight because...look the way he was raised! Not as Goku, that since his childhood was training, he was just a regular kid, with a tail.

DB is not oly figthing...
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Post by Rocketman » Sat Oct 28, 2006 10:50 am

zoiozazu wrote:He doesnt like to fight because...look the way he was raised! Not as Goku, that since his childhood was training, he was just a regular kid, with a tail.
I know that. Really, I do. But that's exactly why he shouldn't be the hero. He's not cut out for it until at least the Buu Saga, and that Saga is just a clusterfuck.
DB is not oly figthing...
But everything else kinda takes a backseat when you've got Big Bad Dude threatening to kill everyone, right?

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