(Dragon Box) Vegeta got stronger after reviving?

[Dagon]

This Dragon Box character bio for Vegetto was brought to my attention and I want to find out if this is legit. This says that Vegeta got a power increase upon returning to life. The thing is, Vegeta didn't return to life until after Vegetto defused, so it makes me think it's referring to when Vegeta got brought back from the afterlife by Baba. Problem is, there's nothing within the show itself that says Vegeta got stronger either before or after Vegetto, or from being revived by Purunga.



Does such a thing exist in the Japanese Dragon Box? Hopefully we can get to the bottom of this.

[KBABZ]

This Dragon Box character bio for Vegetto was brought to my attention and I want to find out if this is legit. This says that Vegeta got a power increase upon returning to life. The thing is, Vegeta didn't return to life until after Vegetto defused, so it makes me think it's referring to when Vegeta got brought back from the afterlife by Baba. Problem is, there's nothing within the show itself that says Vegeta got stronger either before or after Vegetto, or from being revived by Purunga.

Does such a thing exist in the Japanese Dragon Box? Hopefully we can get to the bottom of this.

My problem with this theory is that the "zenkai" power up has only ever been depicted as working if the Saiyan survives the encounter. There's been no mention of it since the Namek saga, certainly not regarding the revivals of Goku and Vegeta, so I don't think it's a thing.

If it IS a thing though, then Vegeta (and Goku, and technically all Saiyans for that matter) would have received the boost once they appeared in Other World, assuming they had their bodies returned to them (of which only Goku, Gohan, Goten and Trunks qualify for). Assuming you need your body for zenkai to even work, Vegeta might even be disqualified because he didn't go to Other World with his body because of how evil he was, negating zenkai to take effect. Unless it then applied once Baba gave him his body, which would be super convenient, but also give Baba and Yenma reason to think sending him back would have a slim chance of working. Funnily enough this would also mean that Goku should have received a zenkai boost himself, either when he arrived in Other World, or when Old Kai sacrificed his life for Goku's.

tl;drI don't think the story has ever made mention of this.

[Forte224]

Well, the same general picture and layout is in there. I can't read Japanese though so whether or not there are any translation errors in the FUNi book I can't tell.

[KBABZ]

Well, the same general picture and layout is in there. I can't read Japanese though so whether or not there are any translation errors in the FUNi book I can't tell.

Spoiler:

I had my girlfriend translate this text, and Vegeta getting stronger after Buu killed him is in that text as well. So either the zenkai applied to Vegeta after death, or more likely he trained in Hell after hearing that Goku did so while he was in Other World (particularly to take advantage of the bottomless ki for dead people).

[Kamiccolo9]

Well, the same general picture and layout is in there. I can't read Japanese though so whether or not there are any translation errors in the FUNi book I can't tell.

Spoiler:

I had my girlfriend translate this text, and Vegeta getting stronger after Buu killed him is in that text as well. So either the zenkai applied to Vegeta after death, or more likely he trained in Hell after hearing that Goku did so while he was in Other World (particularly to take advantage of the bottomless ki for dead people).

Vegeta couldn't have trained in Hell; he didn't have a body until he was plucked out to fight Buu.

[KBABZ]

Well, the same general picture and layout is in there. I can't read Japanese though so whether or not there are any translation errors in the FUNi book I can't tell.

Spoiler:

I had my girlfriend translate this text, and Vegeta getting stronger after Buu killed him is in that text as well. So either the zenkai applied to Vegeta after death, or more likely he trained in Hell after hearing that Goku did so while he was in Other World (particularly to take advantage of the bottomless ki for dead people).

Vegeta couldn't have trained in Hell; he didn't have a body until he was plucked out to fight Buu.

Well there we go!

[TheRed259]

I always had the feeling that Vegeta was stronger than before in episode 268 since he ''came back to life''.

[Dagon]

@Forte224 Thank you so much for providing that Japanese book image. I am dabbling in translation as well, and I would love to have a picture of each of the pages. I know people don't like to scan them for fear of breaking the spine, but if you could provide me pictures of each page of all those books, I would certainly go ham on translations. Heck, if you mailed them to me I'd take pictures with my DSLR camera and mail the books back to you, no joke.

[Akira]

I gave this some thought, and I have a theory I'd like to share. The Zenkai boosts did indeed seem to fade from the scene once a saiyan reached the threshold of power for Super Saiyan to be a possibility. It may be possible that a new variant replaces it at such a point that we do see throughout the remainder of Z and even in DragonBall Super. The theory is this, if a new above the limits power is achieved by means other than direct training, they quickly grow accustomed to it and gain a new type "boost" to said level of power. It could be the fact that Vegeta had achieved Super Saiyan 2, but Goku in the same state was still vastly stronger. Allowing Babidi to possess him gave him an abnormal power boost to go toe
to toe with Goku's power in the same form. It is my opinion that his body reacted to this, and when he returned from death, he was able to access that level of power despite no longer being "Majin" Vegeta.

We see something similar in Goku when he fights Beerus, as the Super Saiyan god power up, which also was a borrowed strength, runs out of time, he is still able to achieve a similar level of power as a Super Saiyan. His body reacted to and boosted up to that level of power once experiencing it. So, not a Zenkai boost by the earlier method, but a saiyan boost nonetheless. Explained more so in Super, but can be retroactively applied to Z.

The original Zenkai Boost, not really explained in detail until the saiyan arc of Z, can be used also to retroactively explain some of the boosts seen in DB. Goku drinks the true sacred water, which until that point had outright killed all who had attempted it, yet he barely survives the experience and the oozaru is seen in the anime to symbolize Goku's inner power. I've long believed this to be an early demonstration of a Saiyan's near death powerup. First, when old Piccolo Daimao leaves him for dead after their first encounter, believing Goku's heart had stopped. Then, it begins thumping again, and Goku miraculously survives. He later eats a senzu at Karin's tower, then drinks the true sacred water, which is in reality, a potent poison that nearly kills him again. Goku has two near death powerups, which explains his dramatic increase in power prior to his rematch with Piccolo at King's castle. Something not fully explained until Z, but in hindsight makes the "asspull powerup" that some claim the True Sacred Water to be, a little more believeable when placed in this context.

Perhaps the explanation given in Super for the Super Saiyan God power boost can also explain Vegeta's boost after returning from death as Majin Vegeta. Toriyama seems very good at foreshadowing and making future explanations for things retroactively explain earlier events in the series.

[Dagon]

@Forte224
Can I get a picture of the Japanese Dragon Book page for this image about Goku and Gohan's training to master SSJ?


I just want to get the most accurate information possible.