Is Anilaza technically a Giant Robot?

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Is Anilaza technically a Giant Robot?

Post by Lord Frieza » Thu Dec 27, 2018 3:19 am

Just wondering really, given that 3 of the four beings that make him are robots that combine into a big robot. Also it would be cool to add a DB Character to my Mecha Collection.

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Re: Is Anilaza technically a Giant Robot?

Post by Zephyr » Thu Dec 27, 2018 3:56 am

Robots weren't allowed, if I remember correctly. Which entails that none of his components were robots. Which entails that he is not a robot.

Unless I'm remembering incorrectly.

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Re: Is Anilaza technically a Giant Robot?

Post by Cetra » Thu Dec 27, 2018 3:57 am

I would say he is a Cyborg as he is hardly fully mechanical.
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Re: Is Anilaza technically a Giant Robot?

Post by Lord Frieza » Thu Dec 27, 2018 4:20 am

Zephyr wrote:Robots weren't allowed, if I remember correctly. Which entails that none of his components were robots. Which entails that he is not a robot.

Unless I'm remembering incorrectly.
Is far I can personally remember that wasn’t a rule. The only rule that comes close was no weapons, a rule that had a LOT of loop holes, given that any mechanical or machine enhanced character should technically count as using a weapon. From what we see the 3 that make up Koichirator were all purely mechanical with only Dr. Paparoni being organic.
Cetra wrote:I would say he is a Cyborg as he is hardly fully mechanical.
Farepoint, at the very least he’s 1/4 organic. Given that Eva Units get classed as being in the Mecha Genre (even getting slots in the Super Robot Wars games) and they are far more organic the Anilaza, I think I can include him. The fact he’s autonomous isen’t really an issue either given that others are.
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Re: Is Anilaza technically a Giant Robot?

Post by mahakaishin1991 » Thu Dec 27, 2018 4:23 am

Zephyr wrote:Robots weren't allowed, if I remember correctly. Which entails that none of his components were robots. Which entails that he is not a robot.

Unless I'm remembering incorrectly.
Well then a good amount of his universe is in trouble, but since that wasnt a rule....

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Re: Is Anilaza technically a Giant Robot?

Post by mahakaishin1991 » Thu Dec 27, 2018 4:24 am

Lord Frieza wrote:Just wondering really, given that 3 of the four beings that make him are robots that combine into a big robot. Also it would be cool to add a DB Character to Mecha Collection.

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He might be a giant robot, but you have to check this list

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Post by PFM18 » Sat Dec 29, 2018 1:51 am

mahakaishin1991 wrote:
Zephyr wrote:Robots weren't allowed, if I remember correctly. Which entails that none of his components were robots. Which entails that he is not a robot.

Unless I'm remembering incorrectly.
Well then a good amount of his universe is in trouble, but since that wasnt a rule....
They are mechanical people, like Magetta. An artificially created robot is not a mortal.

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Re: Is Anilaza technically a Giant Robot?

Post by Lord Frieza » Sun Dec 30, 2018 2:17 pm

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mahakaishin1991 wrote:
Zephyr wrote:Robots weren't allowed, if I remember correctly. Which entails that none of his components were robots. Which entails that he is not a robot.

Unless I'm remembering incorrectly.
Well then a good amount of his universe is in trouble, but since that wasnt a rule....
They are mechanical people, like Magetta. An artificially created robot is not a mortal.

I'm going to ask for your evidence for that, Magetta is not a mechanical person. He's a Metal Man, natrually evolved being made of metal.

Nothing was ever stated about any of these characters originally being organic. Infact only two of them have any evidence as to being organic, Dr. Paparoni and Katopesla. There's more evidence for the rest being mechanical, what with Narirama having wires hanging out of him during his beatdown from hit, Paparoni staff is stated to control machines so thats the Trio pretty much confirmed and Maji Kayo is clearly a reference to the T-1000, a liquid metal robot.

It also never stated that machines and robots were not allowed, the sole excustion were gods.

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Re: Is Anilaza technically a Giant Robot?

Post by mahakaishin1991 » Sun Dec 30, 2018 2:35 pm

Lord Frieza wrote:
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mahakaishin1991 wrote:
Well then a good amount of his universe is in trouble, but since that wasnt a rule....
They are mechanical people, like Magetta. An artificially created robot is not a mortal.

I'm going to ask for your evidence for that, Magetta is not a mechanical person. He's a Metal Man, natrually evolved being made of metal.

Nothing was ever stated about any of these characters originally being organic. Infact only two of them have any evidence as to being organic, Dr. Paparoni and Katopesla. There's more evidence for the rest being mechanical, what with Narirama having wires hanging out of him during his beatdown from hit, Paparoni staff is stated to control machines so thats the Trio pretty much confirmed and Maji Kayo is clearly a reference to the T-1000, a liquid metal robot.

It also never stated that machines and robots were not allowed, the sole excustion were gods.
Nigirisshi also has biological elements, such as a tongue, the Preecho appears to have a mix of biological and blantant mechanical parts. Seems around half the team have at least some flesh to warrant being at least cyborgs. Android 17 even refers to the giant Anilaza as being similar to himself in having an android core. I'd say that shows even the big guy is probably a cyborg like 17.

In fact, I wouldnt put it past the idea all of them are partly biological, even if some are just brains in robot bodies at this point. We might never know

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Re: Is Anilaza technically a Giant Robot?

Post by Lord Frieza » Sun Dec 30, 2018 2:52 pm

mahakaishin1991 wrote:
Lord Frieza wrote:
PFM18 wrote:
They are mechanical people, like Magetta. An artificially created robot is not a mortal.

I'm going to ask for your evidence for that, Magetta is not a mechanical person. He's a Metal Man, natrually evolved being made of metal.

Nothing was ever stated about any of these characters originally being organic. Infact only two of them have any evidence as to being organic, Dr. Paparoni and Katopesla. There's more evidence for the rest being mechanical, what with Narirama having wires hanging out of him during his beatdown from hit, Paparoni staff is stated to control machines so thats the Trio pretty much confirmed and Maji Kayo is clearly a reference to the T-1000, a liquid metal robot.

It also never stated that machines and robots were not allowed, the sole excustion were gods.
Nigirisshi also has biological elements, such as a tongue, the Preecho appears to have a mix of biological and blantant mechanical parts. Seems around half the team have at least some flesh to warrant being at least cyborgs. Android 17 even refers to the giant Anilaza as being similar to himself in having an android core. I'd say that shows even the big guy is probably a cyborg like 17.

In fact, I wouldnt put it past the idea all of them are partly biological, even if some are just brains in robot bodies at this point. We might never know
Good points on Nigirisshi and Preecho, again I'm in the ball park on Anilaza being part organic also. But the rest along with what I already pointed out are all pretty conisstant with Toriyama style robot designs.

But you could be right and maybe, just maybe there is something organic in there. Hell you'd never guess are Dalek was an organic blob till you popped one open.

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and what's under and EVA unit's armour is just nightmare fuel.

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Re: Is Anilaza technically a Giant Robot?

Post by mahakaishin1991 » Sun Dec 30, 2018 3:09 pm

Lord Frieza wrote:
mahakaishin1991 wrote:
Lord Frieza wrote:

I'm going to ask for your evidence for that, Magetta is not a mechanical person. He's a Metal Man, natrually evolved being made of metal.

Nothing was ever stated about any of these characters originally being organic. Infact only two of them have any evidence as to being organic, Dr. Paparoni and Katopesla. There's more evidence for the rest being mechanical, what with Narirama having wires hanging out of him during his beatdown from hit, Paparoni staff is stated to control machines so thats the Trio pretty much confirmed and Maji Kayo is clearly a reference to the T-1000, a liquid metal robot.

It also never stated that machines and robots were not allowed, the sole excustion were gods.
Nigirisshi also has biological elements, such as a tongue, the Preecho appears to have a mix of biological and blantant mechanical parts. Seems around half the team have at least some flesh to warrant being at least cyborgs. Android 17 even refers to the giant Anilaza as being similar to himself in having an android core. I'd say that shows even the big guy is probably a cyborg like 17.

In fact, I wouldnt put it past the idea all of them are partly biological, even if some are just brains in robot bodies at this point. We might never know
Good points on Nigirisshi and Preecho, again I'm in the ball park on Anilaza being part organic also. But the rest along with what I already pointed out are all pretty conisstant with Toriyama style robot designs.

But you could be right and maybe, just maybe there is something organic in there. Hell you'd never guess are Dalek was an organic blob till you popped one open.

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and what's under and EVA unit's armour is just nightmare fuel.

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Daleks and Vader were what was coming to mind with this team. I kinda like that machinery can keep up with the high level fighters

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Re: Is Anilaza technically a Giant Robot?

Post by PFM18 » Sun Dec 30, 2018 3:38 pm

Lord Frieza wrote:
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mahakaishin1991 wrote:
Well then a good amount of his universe is in trouble, but since that wasnt a rule....
They are mechanical people, like Magetta. An artificially created robot is not a mortal.

I'm going to ask for your evidence for that, Magetta is not a mechanical person. He's a Metal Man, natrually evolved being made of metal.

Nothing was ever stated about any of these characters originally being organic. Infact only two of them have any evidence as to being organic, Dr. Paparoni and Katopesla. There's more evidence for the rest being mechanical, what with Narirama having wires hanging out of him during his beatdown from hit, Paparoni staff is stated to control machines so thats the Trio pretty much confirmed and Maji Kayo is clearly a reference to the T-1000, a liquid metal robot.

It also never stated that machines and robots were not allowed, the sole excustion were gods.
Maybe mechanical isn't the right word. Magetta is a naturally metal man that resembles a robot, but isn't actually a robot.

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Post by mahakaishin1991 » Sun Dec 30, 2018 5:26 pm

PFM18 wrote:
Lord Frieza wrote:
PFM18 wrote:
They are mechanical people, like Magetta. An artificially created robot is not a mortal.

I'm going to ask for your evidence for that, Magetta is not a mechanical person. He's a Metal Man, natrually evolved being made of metal.

Nothing was ever stated about any of these characters originally being organic. Infact only two of them have any evidence as to being organic, Dr. Paparoni and Katopesla. There's more evidence for the rest being mechanical, what with Narirama having wires hanging out of him during his beatdown from hit, Paparoni staff is stated to control machines so thats the Trio pretty much confirmed and Maji Kayo is clearly a reference to the T-1000, a liquid metal robot.

It also never stated that machines and robots were not allowed, the sole excustion were gods.
Maybe mechanical isn't the right word. Magetta is a naturally metal man that resembles a robot, but isn't actually a robot.
I always figuted Magetta was 'mechanical' in the same context the people of cybertron are in transformers.

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mahakaishin1991 wrote:
PFM18 wrote:
Lord Frieza wrote:

I'm going to ask for your evidence for that, Magetta is not a mechanical person. He's a Metal Man, natrually evolved being made of metal.

Nothing was ever stated about any of these characters originally being organic. Infact only two of them have any evidence as to being organic, Dr. Paparoni and Katopesla. There's more evidence for the rest being mechanical, what with Narirama having wires hanging out of him during his beatdown from hit, Paparoni staff is stated to control machines so thats the Trio pretty much confirmed and Maji Kayo is clearly a reference to the T-1000, a liquid metal robot.

It also never stated that machines and robots were not allowed, the sole excustion were gods.
Maybe mechanical isn't the right word. Magetta is a naturally metal man that resembles a robot, but isn't actually a robot.
I always figuted Magetta was 'mechanical' in the same context the people of cybertron are in transformers.
I personally view him and his race as being Silicon based lifeforms. There was possible none of the more effiant Carbon that makes up most other life on their planet so Silicon was the next best think. In time it lead to the evolution of the Metal Men.

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Post by mahakaishin1991 » Sun Dec 30, 2018 10:03 pm

Lord Frieza wrote:
mahakaishin1991 wrote:
PFM18 wrote:
Maybe mechanical isn't the right word. Magetta is a naturally metal man that resembles a robot, but isn't actually a robot.
I always figuted Magetta was 'mechanical' in the same context the people of cybertron are in transformers.
I personally view him and his race as being Silicon based lifeforms. There was possible none of the more effiant Carbon that makes up most other life on their planet so Silicon was the next best think. In time it lead to the evolution of the Metal Men.
If silicon based life were present in Dragonball thank Kami the metal men weren't around in early dragonball. A fart joke could fuel them via methane.

Oh by the way, the japanese profiles for the universe 3 team have some specifically referred to as cyborgs, one of these being Preecho, and 'modified' is used for Nigirisshi, which makes me think those two at least are confirmed.

http://www.toei-anim.co.jp/tv/dragon_s/ ... /no03.html

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mahakaishin1991 wrote:
Lord Frieza wrote:
mahakaishin1991 wrote:
I always figuted Magetta was 'mechanical' in the same context the people of cybertron are in transformers.
I personally view him and his race as being Silicon based lifeforms. There was possible none of the more effiant Carbon that makes up most other life on their planet so Silicon was the next best think. In time it lead to the evolution of the Metal Men.
If silicon based life were present in Dragonball thank Kami the metal men weren't around in early dragonball. A fart joke could fuel them via methane.

Oh by the way, the japanese profiles for the universe 3 team have some specifically referred to as cyborgs, one of these being Preecho, and 'modified' is used for Nigirisshi, which makes me think those two at least are confirmed.

http://www.toei-anim.co.jp/tv/dragon_s/ ... /no03.html
17 and 18 are cyborgs. A cyborg is still a mortal and definitely not a "robot."

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PFM18 wrote:
mahakaishin1991 wrote:
Lord Frieza wrote:
I personally view him and his race as being Silicon based lifeforms. There was possible none of the more effiant Carbon that makes up most other life on their planet so Silicon was the next best think. In time it lead to the evolution of the Metal Men.
If silicon based life were present in Dragonball thank Kami the metal men weren't around in early dragonball. A fart joke could fuel them via methane.

Oh by the way, the japanese profiles for the universe 3 team have some specifically referred to as cyborgs, one of these being Preecho, and 'modified' is used for Nigirisshi, which makes me think those two at least are confirmed.

http://www.toei-anim.co.jp/tv/dragon_s/ ... /no03.html
17 and 18 are cyborgs. A cyborg is still a mortal and definitely not a "robot."
Cyborg can actually have different meanings. It can be a robot with some organic components (like the original Terminator, which has organic skin), or an organic being with cybernetic components (like 17 and 18).
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Polyphase Avatron wrote:
PFM18 wrote:
mahakaishin1991 wrote:
If silicon based life were present in Dragonball thank Kami the metal men weren't around in early dragonball. A fart joke could fuel them via methane.

Oh by the way, the japanese profiles for the universe 3 team have some specifically referred to as cyborgs, one of these being Preecho, and 'modified' is used for Nigirisshi, which makes me think those two at least are confirmed.

http://www.toei-anim.co.jp/tv/dragon_s/ ... /no03.html
17 and 18 are cyborgs. A cyborg is still a mortal and definitely not a "robot."
Cyborg can actually have different meanings. It can be a robot with some organic components (like the original Terminator, which has organic skin), or an organic being with cybernetic components (like 17 and 18).
cyborg
/ˈsʌɪbɔːɡ/
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a fictional or hypothetical person whose physical abilities are extended beyond normal human limitations by mechanical elements built into the body.

There's only one meaning for cyborg. Android refers to humanoid machines, but can include humanoid cyborgs. Clearly the starting point is organic, and the terminator isnt a cyborg because of the skin, but they have biological hearts, human of origin according to Kate. At least, the hybrids do. Assuming this is the case for the entire production line, they would be cyborgs, with some qualifying as androids too.

The thing is in context of dragonball, theres no problem with the robots competing, but Anilaza is made up of organic and purely mechanical beings, meaning at least cyborg by sum of parts

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Post by Lord Frieza » Mon Dec 31, 2018 8:33 am

mahakaishin1991 wrote:
Polyphase Avatron wrote:
PFM18 wrote:
17 and 18 are cyborgs. A cyborg is still a mortal and definitely not a "robot."
Cyborg can actually have different meanings. It can be a robot with some organic components (like the original Terminator, which has organic skin), or an organic being with cybernetic components (like 17 and 18).
cyborg
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a fictional or hypothetical person whose physical abilities are extended beyond normal human limitations by mechanical elements built into the body.

There's only one meaning for cyborg. Android refers to humanoid machines, but can include humanoid cyborgs. Clearly the starting point is organic, and the terminator isnt a cyborg because of the skin, but they have biological hearts, human of origin according to Kate. At least, the hybrids do. Assuming this is the case for the entire production line, they would be cyborgs, with some qualifying as androids too.

The thing is in context of dragonball, theres no problem with the robots competing, but Anilaza is made up of organic and purely mechanical beings, meaning at least cyborg by sum of parts
If we use the android saga and its associated characters to look at the different types.

The only true Cyborg in the bunch is Gero/#20 as his brain was placed in a robot body.

19, 16, 15 and 14 are all androids.

8,17,18 and 21 are what I call bioborgs, their upgrades are purely organic. The bomb and deactivation device in each of them don’t count because they have no functional benefit to their physiology.

Cell is a biot, an organic robot.

We don’t have enough info to say what 13 is.

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Lord Frieza wrote:
mahakaishin1991 wrote:
Polyphase Avatron wrote:
Cyborg can actually have different meanings. It can be a robot with some organic components (like the original Terminator, which has organic skin), or an organic being with cybernetic components (like 17 and 18).
cyborg
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a fictional or hypothetical person whose physical abilities are extended beyond normal human limitations by mechanical elements built into the body.

There's only one meaning for cyborg. Android refers to humanoid machines, but can include humanoid cyborgs. Clearly the starting point is organic, and the terminator isnt a cyborg because of the skin, but they have biological hearts, human of origin according to Kate. At least, the hybrids do. Assuming this is the case for the entire production line, they would be cyborgs, with some qualifying as androids too.

The thing is in context of dragonball, theres no problem with the robots competing, but Anilaza is made up of organic and purely mechanical beings, meaning at least cyborg by sum of parts
If we use the android saga and its associated characters to look at the different types.

The only true Cyborg in the bunch is Gero/#20 as his brain was placed in a robot body.

19, 16, 15 and 14 are all androids.

8,17,18 and 21 are what I call bioborgs, their upgrades are purely organic. The bomb and deactivation device in each of them don’t count because they have no functional benefit to their physiology.

Cell is a biot, an organic robot.

We don’t have enough info to say what 13 is.
erm, 17 and 18 are not purely organic where are you getting this? They even have off-switches.
And why are you excluding failsafes that are tech when that's literally part of what makes them them? Thats like saying Goku is a human because he looks like one and his tail doesn't count.

At any rate, they both have infinite energy reactors, a fuel cell basically. They also have data to tell them about the Z fighters and who to target, so something computer based is in there

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