Something bugging me about Cell...

Thanos6 · Post by **Thanos6** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 1:19 pm

When Goku blows off the upper half of his body, he regenerates it but loses a lot of ki. He needs a senzu to heal it.

Then, when he blows himself up, he regenerates and GAINS a lot of ki, no senzu, getting moved up to Super Perfect Form.

Seems like they don't quite match up...

QuantumDestiny · Post by **QuantumDestiny** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 2:02 pm

I thought he gained ki because he added Gohan's DNA to his structure...? Probably dead wrong though...

theoriginalbilis · Post by **theoriginalbilis** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 2:16 pm

Cell has Saiyan DNA, which means his ki increases greatly after recovering from near-death. That's how he became so much more powerful after he exploded and became "Super Perfect"...

Cell probably wasn't near death at all when he took the Senzu, just winded/exhausted. He was fighting Goku but it wasn't his 100%, remember.

Of course, I could be mistaken and it's another thing where Toriyama made a mistake.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 2:58 pm

That Cell regenerated at all after Goku's Warp Kamehameha is a plot hole.

Thanos6 · Post by **Thanos6** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 3:09 pm

theoriginalbilis wrote:Cell has Saiyan DNA, which means his ki increases greatly after recovering from near-death. That's how he became so much more powerful after he exploded and became "Super Perfect"...

Cell probably wasn't near death at all when he took the Senzu, just winded/exhausted. He was fighting Goku but it wasn't his 100%, remember.

Of course, I could be mistaken and it's another thing where Toriyama made a mistake.

I know, but I mean, after the Warp Kamehameha, Cell didn't gain a Saiyan power-up. He was worn out. He couldn't just heal himself to full power.

But he did anyway after the self-destruct.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 4:56 pm

I think theoriginalbilis pretty much has it. Despite losing a good amount of ki, the Warp Kamehameha really didn't do as much "permanent" damage as blowing himself up did.

It's like comparing Goku getting a boost from his first fight with Vegeta (Most of his bones broken, exhausted ki-wise from genki dama and too many Kaio-Kens), to getting one after restoring himself with the senzu he ate on the way.

Thanos6 · Post by **Thanos6** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 5:47 pm

Aghh...but what I mean is, where did he get the ki to restore himself? It takes ki for Namekians (and, therefore, Cell) to regenerate.

Tyro · Post by **Tyro** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 6:30 pm

I'm not quite sure I understand you, Thanos6.

IMO, since Cell could regenerate, his body considered that damage minor since he could easily regenerate from it and only lose ki afterwards, hence the no zenkai received.

And when a Nemakian regenerates, it takes ki from the overall power he is already at, as stated by Freeza while fighting Nail. I would imagine it would be for Cell the same way.

Sorry if I misunderstood you.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 6:48 pm

Thanos6 wrote:Aghh...but what I mean is, where did he get the ki to restore himself? It takes ki for Namekians (and, therefore, Cell) to regenerate.

Ah, I get what you mean now.

Unfortunately, I don't really know the answer.

Mr.Piccolo · Post by **Mr.Piccolo** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 8:34 pm

The title of this thread can call for a horrible play on words.

Aghh...but what I mean is, where did he get the ki to restore himself? It takes ki for Namekians (and, therefore, Cell) to regenerate.

To answer that question, I guess its just the combination of saiyan and namekian cells and how the traits of those races really make Cell the "perfect fighter". He's also a super villian. That doesn't hurt either.

-rick

Maphisto86 · Post by **Maphisto86** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 11:37 pm

I'm geussing Cell used so much energy to regenerate his upper half that he became exhausted. Not to mention that he had a major battle with Goku so by the time Goku finishes the match both he and Cell are quite pooped. Perhaps this negated any power up he recieved. Or it wasen't a major power up but that seems unlikely.

Thanos6 · Post by **Thanos6** » Tue Nov 07, 2006 9:14 am

Maphisto86 wrote:I'm geussing Cell used so much energy to regenerate his upper half that he became exhausted. Not to mention that he had a major battle with Goku so by the time Goku finishes the match both he and Cell are quite pooped. Perhaps this negated any power up he recieved. Or it wasen't a major power up but that seems unlikely.

Yes, but shouldn't he have used even more energy to regenerate his entire body from the self-destruct? But he just pulls it out of nowhere.

Saiyan · Post by **Saiyan** » Tue Nov 07, 2006 12:18 pm

Well, here's my take on it.

I'm guessing that his second near-death regeneration was a defense mechanism activated by his core cell because he wasn't conscious about regenerating. His core did it automatically. I'm guessing this based off the line of "I really hadn't counted on regenerating. I was lucky."

But, when facing off with Goku, he clearly wanted to regenerate the rest of his body back. He could have fought with just his legs (silly Cell) because he stood up headless right after taking the blast head-on.

So what I'm saying is that it takes ki for him to consciously regenerate, but none for when he isn't aware of it happening.

Hope that helped.

Komati · Post by **Komati** » Tue Nov 07, 2006 12:49 pm

Because if he hadn't the story would be boring? I mean if Gohan had to fight a exhausted Cell thing would get a little boring. But as all shows this one also has plot holes.

Pedro The Hutt · Post by **Pedro The Hutt** » Tue Nov 07, 2006 2:39 pm

Komati wins! Cell was revived and refreshed thanks to the power of plot device!

Mystic Jack · Post by **Mystic Jack** » Tue Nov 07, 2006 5:50 pm

If you ask me Saiyajin and Namek DNA would make a powerful hybrid. Now, look at the process. After Goku fired the Warp Kamehameha ('cause that's what we all know it by) Cell was left as a stump with legs. After he regenerated himself (i.e Piccolo's DNA) he then became stronger because of the Saiyajin DNA (you know the whole thing of becoming stronger each battle) however the process weakend him becuase of the energy required, therefore he needed a senzu bean.

As for when he blew up on Kaio Sama's world, I'm guessing that he became so powerful after regenerating (after all there must be bonuses to be destroyed utterly and then brought back to life) because of the Saiyajin DNA, therefore my theory is that, when he regenerated himself after blowing up, he used some of the energy he acquired after he regenerated coming from the Saiyajin DNA, therefore costing some of his energy but more then enough to beat Gohan......

Or so he thought. xD

Tyro · Post by **Tyro** » Wed Nov 08, 2006 3:13 pm

Mystic Jack wrote:If you ask me Saiyajin and Namek DNA would make a powerful hybrid. Now, look at the process. After Goku fired the Warp Kamehameha ('cause that's what we all know it by) Cell was left as a stump with legs. After he regenerated himself (i.e Piccolo's DNA) he then became stronger because of the Saiyajin DNA (you know the whole thing of becoming stronger each battle) however the process weakend him becuase of the energy required, therefore he needed a senzu bean.

I don't think that Goku's blowing up Cell's upper half gave him a zenkai at all. It obviously didn't when Vegeta desroyed his entire right arm as well as part of his shoulder and side. Heck, Cell didn't even show much signs of pain.

I rememebr him saying something along the lines of "Oh, it hurts! ...Just kidding." *regenerates*

As I was trying to explain before, the degree of damage to which Cell was given wasn't enough to cause a zankai either due to his amazing strength and the fact that he wasn't any place close to 'near death' or perhaps his body didn't consider the wound something deadly due to him being able to regenerate and all.

Hope I got my point across.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Wed Nov 08, 2006 3:53 pm

So basically, the definition of "near death" is different for Cell.

Also, I just thought of something else. It would seem that Cell wasn't able to regenerate easily when he blew up. It took at least a few minutes. I think so because Goku, King Kai, and Bubbles were all already a good deal away from where the explosion happened, at least far enough to not notice or sense him come back, at least too far and late to do anything about it.

SaiyaMel · Post by **SaiyaMel** » Wed Nov 08, 2006 6:33 pm

I read that as long as cell's matrix remains intact - he can regenerate. but i also recall him stating that the matrix is located in his head... so for goku's IT/kamehameha - i smell a plothole.

Mystic Jack · Post by **Mystic Jack** » Wed Nov 08, 2006 9:08 pm

Just because his head exploded dosen't mean the nucleus did. It's like shooting someone in the head with a gun, you'll still expect bits of brain to be around. (Sorry I had to be so Graphic there XD)