Luso Saiyan wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2019 12:45 pm
Robo4900 wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2019 12:23 pmAs I said, the video masters this set was authored from are NTSC resolution. The PAL release doesn't have more information natively, it just upscales the NTSC image, spreading the NTSC information out across the PAL space. You get no more info than you would on the NTSC release.
That's not what I'm saying and my original point is being lost needlessly due to (more) minutae. Information is not exclusively more picture or more resolution. The masters having the same resolution as the NTSC DVD doesn't mean they are one and the same. A lot of information is compressed and lost from the master to the DVD. The higher resolution of PAL allows (potentially) for more information to be present when compared to NTSC (again, if a proper encoding is done). Which is then adjusted when being displayed.
Upscaling from 480 to 576 is something of a lossy process; while ultimately there will be no practical difference between the final 480 and final 576 DVD, if you're getting into the "more detail technically because of the higher resolution" argument, then we're getting into needless minutae, as you put it, which starts to dig into this concept of upscaling being somewhat lossy when applied in cases like this.
One could argue this for hours, but ultimately, no, there's no greater detail on the PAL DVDs. There may even be less, because of the way 480>576 upscaling works, but it would be near-impossible to determine the exact degree and impact of this.
SSJmole wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2019 1:58 pm
1) I'll be honest I don't know if you are mocking me by putting the same picture twice , like some evil mental version of a saw game , laughing as you know I'm looking back and forth for differences slowly going mad .... or if I can't notice a difference but the images look identical to me
I assure you the images are not identical; chances are your monitor, your eyes, etc. are just conspiring against you here. Arguably a good thing; if you don't see any difference, you'll probably be quite satisfied by the picture quality of this release.
Though, on your TV, with everything displayed in what is presumably some level of glorious picture quality, you may notice a difference. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Still, this DVD will probably serve you fine.
SSJmole wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2019 1:58 pm
2) honestly I've never felt a strong way about the music during episodes. I hardly noticeable it. Please don't kill me lol I know that sacrilege. Also I'll be watching dubbed
Haha. I will say; if you've always watched with the US score (which would be the case if you watched dubbed from the old singles), do give the Japanese score a go once or twice. Similarly, whether or not you prefer dub viewing, it is worth trying a subbed viewing sometime if you get the chance, it's a rather fascinating experience if you're more used to the dub.
Honestly, I never paid much attention to the music in Dragon Ball either until I started watching with the Japanese score; the replacement scores have tendency to essentially just be background noise, but I feel like the Japanese scores really are just great music that tie the show together in interesting ways.
YMMV, of course, and this is just my experience, but for this reason, I do recommend checking out the Japanese score.
(As a sidenote, IIRC these DVDs will probably default to dub + Japanese score, as has been standard on Funi's Dragon Ball DVDs since about 2007, so if you're looking to watch with the US score or in Japanese with subs, you'll have to go into the setup menu)
SSJmole wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2019 1:58 pm
The only reason I got was to replace the old ones I had and watch with nephew. Also won't lie the GT movie with Goku is my favourite Dragonball movie followed by path to power lol but all the other official releases that I saw on Amazon and places all way too expensive for GT. This seemed best bet for me.
Yes, I read about the old ones you had. Interesting about the movie preferences, though I will note the GT "Movie" you refer to is actually a TV special.
Practically no difference between the movies and TV specials (it boils down to: The movies were generally nicer-looking and animated for widescreen cinema showings, the TV specials were generally less nice-looking and animated for 4:3 TV airings), but it's a minor pet peeve of mine, especially since the TV specials generally were aired alongside the show, as part of the run, while the movies generally were their own self-contained stories.
With that in mind, it's worth noting the original Japanese airing of the GT special was between episodes 41 and 42. It fits quite well there, if you want to watch the special during the show.
SSJmole wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2019 1:58 pm
A little disappointed as I saw remastered and hoped they had redubbed it like they like did with Z years later or Kai. Like is it Hercule or Mr Satan?
Nothing about the dub track was even remotely changed.
Well... Okay, a couple of small things; the next episode previews are gone, and as mentioned, there's a track with the Japanese score. That's it.
As with all the uncut DVDs, it's Mr. Satan, though I think Funi often called him Hercule Satan.
SSJmole wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2019 1:58 pm
GT going from memory I loved they brought back Dragonball elements lost in z , the villians had really god designs , baby had a fantastic backstory to the point favourite villians over whole franchise for me are 1 frieza 2 vegeta (favourite character overall) 3 baby 4 Mercenary Tao and 5 Pilaf. However GT executed ideas poorly.
It's why I say for me super is the same but the opposite. For me it's like this :
GT - great villains , cool transformations (ask 4 looked great) , great ideas, terrible writing
Super - average/bad villians (though frieza is great) , lazy transformations (oh look it's the same but blue to sell merchandise) , bad ideas like I feel they ruined future trunks and how many tournemants? , Great writing that makes it some how work.
People may disagree on that but to me they are the same in quality overall. So I'm glad people are forgetting GT completely.
I would actually disagree.
I think GT had inconsistent writing that could often truly shine, while Super's writing is exactly what one would expect from a series where a main antagonist is "Evil Goku", Freeza returns twice and it's played totally straight both times, and there's lazy transformations like Blue.
Super's one redeeming characteristic is its nicely-animated fights... Well, okay, that and the filler episodes, which tend to be solid gold; the baseball episode is an absolute classic. Ditto for the Goku and Kuririn training duology.
One thing I give GT a lot of credit for is moving forward, and trying new stuff; not all of it works, and the first ~14 episodes are spent largely trying stuff, only about half of which works, then it kind of moves on with what did work, and so while it does have this large period of stumbling, it all does come together to make a rather unique follow-up, a true next chapter in the Dragon Ball story, which ultimately leads to a satisfying conclusion.
Meanwhile, Super is basically only interested in maintaining the past, regurgitating old ideas, retreading old ground, regressing characters to their most marketable states, etc., and it ultimately just leads to prolonging the story, rather than concluding it.
GT tends to pick its characters wisely, using them when they have something to do, when they have a way to progress, when they have relevance to the story, etc., and thus while it sidelined several characters who had nothing to do during the run, the characters who did show up generally had quite a meaty role in their spotlight moment.
Meanwhile, Super just throws every character it can onto the front lines, have them fight people whenever it can, and totally ignores character progressions, etc. in favour of doing this. As someone who's always found the fights to just be a rather pleasing visual icing on the cake of story, characterisation, etc., Super's approach of all-icing with no actual cake just leaves me sick.
This is the way I look at it: GT is something of an ambitious attempt to follow up on, and conclude, Dragon Ball. Has its misfires, but generally amounts to something interesting, and satisfying. Super is a trashy nostalgiabait thing; it'll give you X character vs Y character, it'll give you some nice-looking fights, but there's nothing going on under the hood.
It's perfectly valid to enjoy either, or indeed both (hopefully both; having more Dragon Ball to enjoy is always good), but they are enjoyable for different reasons.
... Thanks for coming to my TedTalk.
SSJmole wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2019 1:58 pm
It's going to be interesting revisiting it lol should be tommorow as next day prime , when I start I'll give more thoughts after if anyone cares
Dunno about you, but 99% of why I come here is to share opinions, swap thoughts, do mutual analysis of the show, etc. (Sometimes I get a bit carried away, as above)
So, if you have thoughts to drop, I'm all ears; particularly for someone who's open-minded about GT.
The point of Dragon Ball is to enjoy it. Never lose sight of that.
