movie verse

[Mad Swami]

I know this isn't traditional but I have two questions that tie into one another. 1. how much stronger of a cannon is the film verse compared to manga?

2. Since the film verse is different, do they weaken characters or simply strengthen them. For instance the Wrath of the Dragon movie Goku SSJ3 is > Gohan which shouldn't be the case if the whole cannon is scaled up. So did they only strengthen Goku or what?

[Koitsukai]

I always wanted to do a thread about this, going through every movie. I've seen it in reddit I think. Some movies contradict stuff from previous movies, so I don't think even all of them are part of the same continuity.

Movies diverge from the main continuity, many of them premiered before the main running arc concluded. To me they are like AU, for example the Cooler movie, where several things imply Goku didn't beat Freeza as SS but probably with the genki dama and never went to Yadrat.

The Goku and Gohan that fought in the Cell Games aren't the same that fought Broly, it seems Cell never got Vegeta to let him absorb 18, who clearly isn't a thing anymore because people are trying to get their children into a top school, Chichi included, there is peace in the world.

The Janemba movie has Goku AND Vegeta dead, so it's placement in the timeline isn't random, but we have SS3 Gotenks and Ultimate Gohan, and Buu isn't a thing, so he probably was killed by one of the hybrids before Kaioshin gave his life to Goku.

Ryuken movie seems to be the only one that could follow the main continuity.

[Mad Swami]

I always wanted to do a thread about this, going through every movie. I've seen it in reddit I think. Some movies contradict stuff from previous movies, so I don't think even all of them are part of the same continuity.

Movies diverge from the main continuity, many of them premiered before the main running arc concluded. To me they are like AU, for example the Cooler movie, where several things imply Goku didn't beat Freeza as SS but probably with the genki dama and never went to Yadrat.

The Goku and Gohan that fought in the Cell Games aren't the same that fought Broly, it seems Cell never got Vegeta to let him absorb 18, who clearly isn't a thing anymore because people are trying to get their children into a top school, Chichi included, there is peace in the world.

The Janemba movie has Goku AND Vegeta dead, so it's placement in the timeline isn't random, but we have SS3 Gotenks and Ultimate Gohan, and Buu isn't a thing, so he probably was killed by one of the hybrids before Kaioshin gave his life to Goku.

Ryuken movie seems to be the only one that could follow the main continuity.

I wouldn't agree with Wrath of the Dragon following main continuity maybe the anime continuity where SSJ Goku fights Ultimate Gohan

[Koitsukai]

I always wanted to do a thread about this, going through every movie. I've seen it in reddit I think. Some movies contradict stuff from previous movies, so I don't think even all of them are part of the same continuity.

Movies diverge from the main continuity, many of them premiered before the main running arc concluded. To me they are like AU, for example the Cooler movie, where several things imply Goku didn't beat Freeza as SS but probably with the genki dama and never went to Yadrat.

The Goku and Gohan that fought in the Cell Games aren't the same that fought Broly, it seems Cell never got Vegeta to let him absorb 18, who clearly isn't a thing anymore because people are trying to get their children into a top school, Chichi included, there is peace in the world.

The Janemba movie has Goku AND Vegeta dead, so it's placement in the timeline isn't random, but we have SS3 Gotenks and Ultimate Gohan, and Buu isn't a thing, so he probably was killed by one of the hybrids before Kaioshin gave his life to Goku.

Ryuken movie seems to be the only one that could follow the main continuity.

I wouldn't agree with Wrath of the Dragon following main continuity maybe the anime continuity where SSJ Goku fights Ultimate Gohan

I don't know what continuity you are talking about, DBS?

I think we can place that movie after the main continuity because everything adds up, forms, living people, and even Gohan and Videl appear to be an item. Except for SS3 Goku seeming the strongest, but some headcanon can get over that: We know between Buu arc and EoZ, Gohan stopped training and Goku didn't, so he will gradually become weaker and Goku stronger. This movie can happen just about when Gohan started losing his status as the strongest and Goku regained his.
By BoG, Goku seems the strongest before Vegeta surpassed him, Hirudegan could've shown sometime before BoG. In M13, Gohan is a GS like Videl, so he might be more on the not-so-serious-training side of life at that time.

[Mad Swami]

I always wanted to do a thread about this, going through every movie. I've seen it in reddit I think. Some movies contradict stuff from previous movies, so I don't think even all of them are part of the same continuity.

Movies diverge from the main continuity, many of them premiered before the main running arc concluded. To me they are like AU, for example the Cooler movie, where several things imply Goku didn't beat Freeza as SS but probably with the genki dama and never went to Yadrat.

The Goku and Gohan that fought in the Cell Games aren't the same that fought Broly, it seems Cell never got Vegeta to let him absorb 18, who clearly isn't a thing anymore because people are trying to get their children into a top school, Chichi included, there is peace in the world.

The Janemba movie has Goku AND Vegeta dead, so it's placement in the timeline isn't random, but we have SS3 Gotenks and Ultimate Gohan, and Buu isn't a thing, so he probably was killed by one of the hybrids before Kaioshin gave his life to Goku.

Ryuken movie seems to be the only one that could follow the main continuity.

I wouldn't agree with Wrath of the Dragon following main continuity maybe the anime continuity where SSJ Goku fights Ultimate Gohan

I don't know what continuity you are talking about, DBS?

I think we can place that movie after the main continuity because everything adds up, forms, living people, and even Gohan and Videl appear to be an item. Except for SS3 Goku seeming the strongest, but some headcanon can get over that: We know between Buu arc and EoZ, Gohan stopped training and Goku didn't, so he will gradually become weaker and Goku stronger. This movie can happen just about when Gohan started losing his status as the strongest and Goku regained his.
By BoG, Goku seems the strongest before Vegeta surpassed him, Hirudegan could've shown sometime before BoG. In M13, Gohan is a GS like Videl, so he might be more on the not-so-serious-training side of life at that time.

In the dbz anime within Buu Goku and a Gohan clone fight inside Buu and apparently the clones are as strong as the original

[Koitsukai]

In the dbz anime within Buu Goku and a Gohan clone fight inside Buu and apparently the clones are as strong as the original

Hmm I don't think so, Goku, after removing those pods, states that no matter how much power Buu lost, they'd still die vs Super Buu, if those clones were the real deal he alone would be enough. Also those clones were like impossible-to-see small, inside of Buu the saiyans couldn't even dent Buu's brain.

Back to the OP, I'd say the movieverse has some weaker versions. M8 Goku and Gohan have no trace of SS grade 4, the Cooler movie has a Goku who can't go SS at will nor knows IT.

[kemuri07]

But the movies don't really exist in any specified "canon." They're more promotional if anything, taking aspects of whatever arc was currently running at the time, and using them as the basis of a movie. I mean, most of them are like 40 min, right?

[Mad Swami]

In the dbz anime within Buu Goku and a Gohan clone fight inside Buu and apparently the clones are as strong as the original

Hmm I don't think so, Goku, after removing those pods, states that no matter how much power Buu lost, they'd still die vs Super Buu, if those clones were the real deal he alone would be enough. Also those clones were like impossible-to-see small, inside of Buu the saiyans couldn't even dent Buu's brain.

Back to the OP, I'd say the movieverse has some weaker versions. M8 Goku and Gohan have no trace of SS grade 4, the Cooler movie has a Goku who can't go SS at will nor knows IT.

Oh ok well that's fair my bad

[Mad Swami]

But the movies don't really exist in any specified "canon." They're more promotional if anything, taking aspects of whatever arc was currently running at the time, and using them as the basis of a movie. I mean, most of them are like 40 min, right?

yeah like 50 mins and what not

[Peach]

Movie universe seems to be much stronger.

1. They have more experience than in canon.
2. The Battle of Gods movie placed Goku much closer to Beerus than Toei's show.