Why does Goku Hate Raditz so much?

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Why does Goku Hate Raditz so much?

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Re: Why does Goku Hate Raditz so much?

Post by Zestanor » Wed May 20, 2020 10:37 pm

If Goku wins a fight and the opponent doesn’t die, he tends to let him go. Goku didn’t engage in a fair fight against Raditz (he couldn’t possibly win without the suicide trick) so he abandoned his fight ettiquette.

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Post by KBABZ » Wed May 20, 2020 11:01 pm

It probably has a lot to do with the sheer sticker shock of Raditz's attitude and requests and just Saiyan history in general. Goku didn't just accept Vegeta either; he was pretty upset at Vegeta abandoning him to face Ginyu and for killing the rest of the Ginyu Force.

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Re: Why does Goku Hate Raditz so much?

Post by WittyUsername » Wed May 20, 2020 11:18 pm

From an out of universe perspective, it’s probably because Toriyama didn’t have any plans for Raditz beyond that part of the story. Raditz was supposed to be a starter villain. He was there to establish Goku’s new backstory, and give an idea of just how dangerous Saiyans are. Once he fulfilled that purpose, Toriyama probably couldn’t think of anything else to do with the character.

In-universe, the easiest answer would be what Zestanor said. Alternatively, since Goku already knew that Raditz was weaker than his partners, you could argue that he was too excited about the prospect of fighting those guys to really care about keeping Raditz alive.

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Re: Why does Goku Hate Raditz so much?

Post by Vijay » Wed May 20, 2020 11:21 pm

Dude...try to be in Goku's position

Some random generic bugger pops ruining ya reunion party, whacks ur bestie, whoops ur arse, kidnaps ur son, orders u to pile-up some 100+ dead body within a day, then recruit you to join his "fellowship of crack-head exterminators league" by force...tricks you using pathetic brother/family sentiment only to reveal his true colors not thinking twice abt squashing his nephew....be darned man.

At least Veggie & Nappa arrived as villain cuz they have their specific goals. To grab DB's & poof, immortality. Unlike Raditz who used whatever means to showcase his superiority

Even in rl bah, enemies posing themselves as enemies are waay better cuz they don't fake their intensions on you. While family & friends posing as "close relations" are real toxic & danger that knows how & when to break you. Veggie/Nappa were former...while Raditz bugger was latter

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Re: Why does Goku Hate Raditz so much?

Post by emperior » Thu May 21, 2020 1:14 am

They had no choice but to kill Raditz. Goku even tried to spare him but it backfired on him so he had no other choice.

And Vegeta was spared after he got defeated. Same for Piccolo. Goku just couldn’t defeat Raditz without killing him so that’s why he wasn’t spared.
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Post by DragonBallFoodie » Thu May 21, 2020 12:34 pm

Some murderer shows up one day, says there's a race of killers like him, says you are one of them and you should be killing too, yeah I'd probably despise him too.
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Post by Dbzfan94 » Thu May 21, 2020 12:42 pm

A guy drops in out of nowhere, says you're from a race of space pirates, kidnaps your toddler son, and says if you don't join him, he'll kill your son. And then after beggining that if you let go of his tail, he'd leave and never come back, but then starts kicking the shit out of you afterwards.

Not hard to see why.
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Post by TheSeductiveTomato » Thu May 21, 2020 12:53 pm

As people have said, Goku had little choice in that fight. Vegeta and Frieza were broken and unable to fight so he let them go (well Frieza obviously rejected but still). In the end, Goku will go for the kill if that's what it takes to save the planet/universe/whatever.

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Re: Why does Goku Hate Raditz so much?

Post by SuperSaiyaManZ94 » Thu May 21, 2020 1:12 pm

I mean, Raditz came from deep in space to find his brother of which he didn't know had a head injury as a small child after being sent from Planet Vegeta before it's destruction at Freeza's hands (which isn't revealed until later), which made him mostly lose his violent Saiyan nature and become the Goku we all know and love. Then drops the bombshell on him that he's not of Earth but of an alien race of bloodthirsty space warriors (Ha, i made a Big Green reference there. XD) from another world and proceeds to attempt forcing him into massacring people then goes one step further with kidnapping Gohan to try and force Goku's hand. This was one of those times where Goku couldn't spare an adversary even if he'd wanted to, heck he even teamed up with Piccolo who had tried to kill him just five years earlier at the previous Budokai tournament because the situation was that severe even when the former had his own motivation for doing so.

Basically, this is one case where he had to set aside his usual approach to battle because the stakes were serious enough with his own family and friends in serious danger.
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Post by TheGreatness25 » Thu May 21, 2020 1:16 pm

I think it also has to do with the fact that Vegeta was retreating. If Raditz left, he would've been fine. But Raditz was more powerful than anyone on the planet and he showed no intention of leaving. Letting Raditz go for the second time was too risky because he would've just turned around and killed off Goku, Piccolo, and Gohan. Vegeta was actively trying to retreat. Thus, killing him would be in cold blood, not in the heat of battle.

Also, if you want to put a weird spin on it, you could also look at it as Goku sparing Kurilin from being a murderer. Kurilin's never killed anyone before; it could've messed with him down the line. This is obviously BS that I made up because in DB, if it's not clearly stated, you best not assume it, but still.

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Post by Zestanor » Thu May 21, 2020 1:54 pm

Vegeta deserved to die, so it wouldn’t be murder.

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Post by TheGreatness25 » Thu May 21, 2020 2:08 pm

Zestanor wrote: Thu May 21, 2020 1:54 pm Vegeta deserved to die, so it wouldn’t be murder.
I mean... killing a person trying to flee from you is murder regardless of who it is. Even in the real world.

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Post by Zestanor » Thu May 21, 2020 4:15 pm

Vegeta deserved to die because he of the atrocities he committed on earth and threatened to commit. Normally only the state could ethically bring down the axe. But in Vegeta’s case, it would be impossible to bring him incapacitated to officers of the law, so in such a truly unique and extreme situation, a civilian could presume to step in and execute justice upon someone who very reasonably could be treated as an outlaw even under a modern legal system which had phased out the concept of “outlaw.”

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Post by Psajdak » Thu May 21, 2020 4:30 pm

Vegeta is an alien; laws of Earth don't apply to him.

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Post by Zestanor » Thu May 21, 2020 5:10 pm

That too lol.

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Post by JulieYBM » Fri May 22, 2020 12:03 am

Well, I imagine he kind of, y'know, hated him for kidnapping his son in front of his eyes.
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Post by WittyUsername » Fri May 22, 2020 1:02 am

I’m gonna be honest, I don’t really know why we’re talking about murder when it comes to whether or not Vegeta should’ve died. It’s not like Goku had any moral reasons for letting Vegeta go. He let him go solely because he wanted to get the chance to punch him again. Hell, Goku himself has demonstrated in the past that he’s perfectly willing to kill a fleeing enemy, so why would he be morally against Kuririn doing it?

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Post by Vijay » Fri May 22, 2020 1:02 am

Psajdak wrote: Thu May 21, 2020 4:30 pm Vegeta is an alien; laws of Earth don't apply to him.
ROFL 🤣 and Raditz was a mermaid.

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Post by jjgp1112 » Fri May 22, 2020 1:13 am

I'm gonna take a shot in a dark and say he didn't much appreciate the kidnapping his son and deceiving him thing.
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