DEUteragonist Vegeta served his purpose in fight with Moro, now it is our hero Goku's turn...

[Psajdak]

How will Goku defeat this young Moro?

Will he learn to finally activate MUI at will, and use it without any drawbacks?

Or will there be a new transformation for him?

[SupremeKai25]

He probably won't even defeat him, at least judging from his track record in Super. None of the Super main antagonists were defeated by Goku alone (you could make that argument for Golden Freeza I guess, but Whis played an important role). Thus I'm assuming that Moro won't actually be killed by Goku, but will be defeated some other way.

[Matches Malone]

None of the above, as out of the main characters in the story (Goku, Vegeta, Merus, Dai Kaio, Beerus), he has the smallest chance of being the winner here, with Vegeta having the highest chance.

[Kagari]

Vegeta is a support character, not a deuteragonist.

[Mad Swami]

Vegeta is a support character, not a deuteragonist.

I Z he was absolutely a deuteragonist. Super however I could see a debate there. As the plot is heavily sculpted around both Saiyans gaining the power to challenge Beerus. Especially in the Manga. Why would you categorize him as support? Just curious.

[Mad Swami]

Highly doubt Goku is just going to win. He doesn't really have anything new up his sleeve or anything. Literally him instant transmission-ing Broly in is more likely then him getting the win in my eyes. And the Broly thing is just not happening soo that should say something about Goku's chances.

[Kagari]

Vegeta is a support character, not a deuteragonist.

I Z he was absolutely a deuteragonist. Super however I could see a debate there. As the plot is heavily sculpted around both Saiyans gaining the power to challenge Beerus. Especially in the Manga. Why would you categorize him as support? Just curious.

No he wasn't. Goku was the sole main character and then Gohan was for a time before it went back to Goku. That's all. Vegeta was still a support character in Z, he exists to further Goku's story.

[Mad Swami]

Vegeta is a support character, not a deuteragonist.

I Z he was absolutely a deuteragonist. Super however I could see a debate there. As the plot is heavily sculpted around both Saiyans gaining the power to challenge Beerus. Especially in the Manga. Why would you categorize him as support? Just curious.

No he wasn't. Goku was the sole main character and then Gohan was for a time before it went back to Goku. That's all. Vegeta was still a support character in Z, he exists to further Goku's story.

The Buu saga is the literal culmination of his plot. Vegeta and Goku are deuteragonist because they have this long plot of Goku breaking through to Vegeta and Vegeta changing. That's why the final battle is Goku and Vegeta vs Kid Buu, that's why Vegito happens. I see half of Z as the story of Gohan, and the other half story of Goku and Vegeta. Piccolo is a supporting character, Vegeta is absolutely a lead. Not to mention, support characters aren't main characters and regardless of him being a deuteragonist, he is a main character. Not support. I mean, Goku is the main character but Vegeta is about as much of a lead as Gohan

[Kagari]

I Z he was absolutely a deuteragonist. Super however I could see a debate there. As the plot is heavily sculpted around both Saiyans gaining the power to challenge Beerus. Especially in the Manga. Why would you categorize him as support? Just curious.

No he wasn't. Goku was the sole main character and then Gohan was for a time before it went back to Goku. That's all. Vegeta was still a support character in Z, he exists to further Goku's story.

The Buu saga is the literal culmination of his plot. Vegeta and Goku are deuteragonist because they have this long plot of Goku breaking through to Vegeta and Vegeta changing. That's why the final battle is Goku and Vegeta vs Kid Buu, that's why Vegito happens. I see half of Z as the story of Gohan, and the other half story of Goku and Vegeta. Piccolo is a supporting character, Vegeta is absolutely a lead. Not to mention, support characters aren't main characters and regardless of him being a deuteragonist, he is a main character. Not support. I mean, Goku is the main character but Vegeta is about as much of a lead as Gohan

No, Dragon Ball is still just Goku's story. Support characters can have important roles like with Gohan in the Cell Games and Vegeta helping at the very end of the series, but that doesn't mean it's *their* story.

[Mad Swami]

No he wasn't. Goku was the sole main character and then Gohan was for a time before it went back to Goku. That's all. Vegeta was still a support character in Z, he exists to further Goku's story.

The Buu saga is the literal culmination of his plot. Vegeta and Goku are deuteragonist because they have this long plot of Goku breaking through to Vegeta and Vegeta changing. That's why the final battle is Goku and Vegeta vs Kid Buu, that's why Vegito happens. I see half of Z as the story of Gohan, and the other half story of Goku and Vegeta. Piccolo is a supporting character, Vegeta is absolutely a lead. Not to mention, support characters aren't main characters and regardless of him being a deuteragonist, he is a main character. Not support. I mean, Goku is the main character but Vegeta is about as much of a lead as Gohan

No, Dragon Ball is still just Goku's story. Support characters can have important roles like with Gohan in the Cell Games and Vegeta helping at the very end of the series, but that doesn't mean it's *their* story.

I would say Buu saga is both Goku and Vegeta's story. I wouldn't say Frieza saga or Cell saga is Vegeta's story. However, Buu saga is just as much Vegeta's story as it is Goku's

[Kagari]

The Buu saga is the literal culmination of his plot. Vegeta and Goku are deuteragonist because they have this long plot of Goku breaking through to Vegeta and Vegeta changing. That's why the final battle is Goku and Vegeta vs Kid Buu, that's why Vegito happens. I see half of Z as the story of Gohan, and the other half story of Goku and Vegeta. Piccolo is a supporting character, Vegeta is absolutely a lead. Not to mention, support characters aren't main characters and regardless of him being a deuteragonist, he is a main character. Not support. I mean, Goku is the main character but Vegeta is about as much of a lead as Gohan

No, Dragon Ball is still just Goku's story. Support characters can have important roles like with Gohan in the Cell Games and Vegeta helping at the very end of the series, but that doesn't mean it's *their* story.

I would say Buu saga is both Goku and Vegeta's story. I wouldn't say Frieza saga or Cell saga is Vegeta's story. However, Buu saga is just as much Vegeta's story as it is Goku's

It's really not. Vegeta isn't even around for most of it!

[Mad Swami]

No, Dragon Ball is still just Goku's story. Support characters can have important roles like with Gohan in the Cell Games and Vegeta helping at the very end of the series, but that doesn't mean it's *their* story.

I would say Buu saga is both Goku and Vegeta's story. I wouldn't say Frieza saga or Cell saga is Vegeta's story. However, Buu saga is just as much Vegeta's story as it is Goku's

It's really not. Vegeta isn't even around for most of it!

He's about as involved as Goku. Just because he is dead for a good portion of it doesn't change the story's purpose of Vegito, final atonement, and the fight with Kid Buu. By your logic you could say Goten and Trunks have more story relevance then Vegeta

[Kagari]

I would say Buu saga is both Goku and Vegeta's story. I wouldn't say Frieza saga or Cell saga is Vegeta's story. However, Buu saga is just as much Vegeta's story as it is Goku's

It's really not. Vegeta isn't even around for most of it!

He's about as involved as Goku. Just because he is dead for a good portion of it doesn't change the story's purpose of Vegito, final atonement, and the fight with Kid Buu. By your logic you could say Goten and Trunks have more story relevance then Vegeta

Vegetto is barely in the story and even then he's still Goku with Vegeta absorbed. He's just a tool to get the kids back because Toriyama painted himself into a corner. Vegeta's sacrifice is undermined by the gag of Boo dancing on his ashes immediately after and the fight with pure Boo is there to ultimately prop up Goku. So as I said, he's a support character, it's not his story. The anime might have embellished it a little but the manga makes it explicitly clear.

[Mad Swami]

It's really not. Vegeta isn't even around for most of it!

He's about as involved as Goku. Just because he is dead for a good portion of it doesn't change the story's purpose of Vegito, final atonement, and the fight with Kid Buu. By your logic you could say Goten and Trunks have more story relevance then Vegeta

Vegetto is barely in the story and even then he's still Goku with Vegeta absorbed. He's just a tool to get the kids back because Toriyama painted himself into a corner. Vegeta's sacrifice is undermined by the gag of Boo dancing on his ashes immediately after and the fight with pure Boo is there to ultimately prop up Goku. So as I said, he's a support character, it's not his story. The anime might have embellished it a little but the manga makes it explicitly clear.

"still Goku with Vegeta absorbed" That's so backward. Vegetto is more Vegeta then Goku. Vegeta has the more dominant personality. While sure Vegetto's conception was based on the popularity of Fusion Reborn, however, that doesn't negate the significance it does have. Vegeta casts aside his pride and works with Goku. Their rivalry creates the greatest warrior ever, the whole point is both make the other better. Also, I personally don't think his sacrifice was undermined, it's not about if he killed Buu. The point is he was willing to give his life to save Earth in a selfless act. Buu dancing just fuels the fire of the fan reading. Also the final fight with Kid Buu, that's the moment where Vegeta grows to like Goku truly. Vegeta comes to terms with himself and learns to appreciate Goku. Vegeta holding off Buu is the perfect representation of that. Vegeta is content with letting Goku be the hero, but he'd be damned if he isn't going to help. Vegeta at that moment accepts being a support fighter. However, that doesn't make him a supporting character.

[Matches Malone]

Vegeta is a support character, not a deuteragonist .

They're basically the same thing. Him being a deuteragonist or the most important character after Goku are basically the same thing. The role is the same, he's the one who comes after Goku in terms of power and presence, the wording you use to describe that doesn't change anything about his actual role.

The fight with pure Boo is there to ultimately prop up Goku.

The entire plan to kill Kid Buu was Vegeta's idea, to give all the credit to Goku during that fight or any part of DB is just you trying to undermine what the others did in favor of propping up Goku. Yes, DB is ultimately Goku's story, but that doesn't mean the others are any less important than he is.

[Dragon Wukong]

I Z he was absolutely a deuteragonist. Super however I could see a debate there. As the plot is heavily sculpted around both Saiyans gaining the power to challenge Beerus. Especially in the Manga. Why would you categorize him as support? Just curious.

Gohan was the deuteragonist in Z IMO. About half the plot in Z revolved around Gohan as much as it revolved around Goku, and whenever Goku wasn't in the picture, the focus tended to be on Gohan.

Vegeta is a support character, not a deuteragonist.

I think the argument could be made he's a deuteragonist, where a lot more focus is given on him 3 of the 6 Super arcs (BoG, Future Trunks, Moro, even Res F if you kinda wanna stretch it), and in that he's the only character who's around as much as Goku. The formal definition of a deuteragonist is someone secondary in importance to the protagonist, and I don't think any character in DBS really fits that bill besides Vegeta, as the only character who has actually mattered in every arc of Super and in general managed to find some way to keep up with Goku in every arc.

[Mad Swami]

I Z he was absolutely a deuteragonist. Super however I could see a debate there. As the plot is heavily sculpted around both Saiyans gaining the power to challenge Beerus. Especially in the Manga. Why would you categorize him as support? Just curious.

Gohan was the deuteragonist in Z IMO. About half the plot in Z revolved around Gohan as much as it revolved around Goku, and whenever Goku wasn't in the picture, the focus tended to be on Gohan.

As I further elaborated in the debate. I see Z as half Gohan's story and then half is Vegeta and Goku. I see the Buu saga is Vegeta and Goku's story. I know what you mean however

[Dragon Wukong]

As I further elaborated in the debate. I see Z as half Gohan's story and then half is Vegeta and Goku. I see the Buu saga is Vegeta and Goku's story. I know what you mean however

Ehhhh a lot of the Buu saga is focused on Gohan still honestly. Only Majin Vegeta (which actually doesn't last that long) and the end (which again, is honestly not that many chapters) actually have some focus on Vegeta. And even then, Gohan's story is more tied to Goku than Vegeta's is, who, if anything is more tied to Trunks and Bulma. For that reason I say Dragon Ball Z has Gohan as a deuteragonist. For Super though, yeah I'll say Vegeta is.

[Mad Swami]

As I further elaborated in the debate. I see Z as half Gohan's story and then half is Vegeta and Goku. I see the Buu saga is Vegeta and Goku's story. I know what you mean however

Ehhhh a lot of the Buu saga is focused on Gohan still honestly. Only Majin Vegeta (which actually doesn't last that long) and the end (which again, is honestly not that many chapters) actually have some focus on Vegeta. And even then, Gohan's story is more tied to Goku than Vegeta's is, who, if anything is more tied to Trunks and Bulma. For that reason I say Dragon Ball Z has Gohan as a deuteragonist. For Super though, yeah I'll say Vegeta is.

Personally I always saw the Buu saga as the story of Vegeta accepting Goku's effect on him and as a friend. That's what Vegito represents to me even.

[Dragon Wukong]

Personally I always saw the Buu saga as the story of Vegeta accepting Goku's effect on him and as a friend. That's what Vegito represents to me even.

That's an interpretation of the Buu saga, sure, but we're referring to Z (and Super) as a whole. And the Buu saga still focuses on Gohan enough that I wouldn't consider the Buu saga a deviation from him as the deuteragonist of DBZ.