SuperSaiyaManZ94 wrote: Sat Oct 31, 2020 3:27 pm
precita wrote: Sat Oct 31, 2020 3:14 pm
Boured wrote: Sat Oct 31, 2020 2:47 pm
Yeah, it seems Dragon Ball has the same problem as Pokemon, where it doesn't matter how quality the product is, it will still sell a lot regardless.
Really dissapointng, but I'll have to get used to it and hunt around for those elusive boxes.
The Pokemon anime is nowhere as popular in the west as it is Japan, hence the lack of a good dub or the original music/subs released here. Pokemon anime hasn't been popular since the early 2000's, and even then its peak was 1998-1999 and never had that again.
Indeed, it was really that initial blitz/craze in the late '90s/very early 2000's that was by far the high point of Pokémon's popularity as a franchise over here in the States, and that's including the anime along with the video games, card game and other misc merchandise and if you're talking the show the first two or three seasons in particular between Indigo League, Orange Islands and the first part of Johto. After like 2001 or so that popularity waned and the anime has not been big enough since then to warrant those things being done as much as they would be great to have.
Pokemon is still crazy popular in the west, but nowadays it's the games that get most of the focus, with the anime kind of going more into the background.
SuperSaiyaManZ94 wrote: Sat Oct 31, 2020 2:04 pm
Z's dub better than Kai's? Ok i cannot wrap my head around fans who actually believe this. Because the old dub especially Season 3 was an absolute top to bottom garbage product between the amature hour impression performances by the cast, terrible scripts and constant deluge of bad jokes that are so cringe worthy that they can't be taken seriously at all. The Orange Brick remastered partial redub was only very slightly better in removing some of the awful lines and jokes from the old version especially the Freeza arc, though still didn't go far enough as they should've in fixing what was already a dumpster fire mess of a dub from 1999-2003.
I'll freely admit I put myself in that camp, and that's because Kai cuts out way too much for my liking, character development in particular really suffers big time, with characters suddenly doing a complete 180 in personality with no build-up and there's some genuinely good filler that I really missed as well. Plus it feels like Kai is trying too hard to appeal to both fans of the original dub and fans of the sub, as you've got some voice-actors replaced while others reprise their roles, which comes off as rather jarring to me and you've got some cases where Funimation tries to punch up the dialogue like it did in the original dub yet other times where it tries to be more faithful to the original Japanese version, it feels like Kai has an identity crisis about what exactly it wants to be. Also really didn't like the new music score, I can get used to Kikuchi stuff even though i'm it's biggest fan, but good lord the Yamamato score for Kai sounds awful, and the music is not placed very well in the Kikuchi version of Kai. Not to mention the ugly redrawn scenes that stick out like a sore thumb and look even more out of place then the new special effects on the Star Wars original trilogy remasters. Also I really didn't like how Kai took some cues from DBZA(I.E. Nappa saying "I hate the media!"), there's just something about an officially licensed DB product dropping in blatant references to a popular fan-series that just rubs me the wrong way.
So yeah that's why I never quite got onboard the Kai train. I definitely don't think season 3 was garbage from top to bottom at all, yeah the voice-acting takes some getting used to and there's some corny lines, but overall i've heard far worse and I can still enjoy it without cringing too much. I'd argue the redub was actually worse since it would occasionally change the music from the original dub for no apparent reason.
