What if the Freeza arc had a Return of the King climax?

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What if the Freeza arc had a Return of the King climax?

Post by WittyUsername » Fri Feb 26, 2021 11:51 pm

This is a thought that occurred to me recently, but considering that Freeza is supposed to have an entire empire at his disposal, and the crux of the arc is him invading a planet and slaughtering its inhabitants, what if the climax was an all out war in the style of Lord of the Rings, rather than a one on one fight?

Basically, what if the Dragon Team succeeded in using the Dragon Balls to revive their fallen friends and the Namekian people earlier on, and then the final battle involved Freeza and his army battling it out with Goku, his friends, and the Namekians? Would that have been interesting to see?

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Re: What if the Freeza arc had a Return of the King climax?

Post by Yuli Ban » Sat Feb 27, 2021 12:15 am

It absolutely would've been interesting to see and knowing the trajectory of the franchise now, it's probably something we will see in Toyotaro's manga or a future Xenoverse or spiritual sequel thereof.

That's just not what the series itself was about. Loads of kung fu stories had epic backdrops like this but the climactic fight was usually a one or two-on-one even with an almighty warlord in possession of vast forces of evil.
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Re: What if the Freeza arc had a Return of the King climax?

Post by MyVisionity » Sat Feb 27, 2021 12:22 am

Yeah that all sounds too epic for Dragon Ball.

If Freeza had an entire army at his disposal, the Z-Senshi would lose. There was never any need for too many soldiers because Namek had such a small population, and with only so many warriors.

Ultimately in a series about martial artists you end up with one on one fights.

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Re: What if the Freeza arc had a Return of the King climax?

Post by Polyphase Avatron » Sat Feb 27, 2021 1:00 am

MyVisionity wrote: Sat Feb 27, 2021 12:22 am Yeah that all sounds too epic for Dragon Ball.

If Freeza had an entire army at his disposal, the Z-Senshi would lose. There was never any need for too many soldiers because Namek had such a small population, and with only so many warriors.

Ultimately in a series about martial artists you end up with one on one fights.
The movie version of Resurrection F had some good fights with Freeza's army.
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Re: What if the Freeza arc had a Return of the King climax?

Post by SupremeKai25 » Sat Feb 27, 2021 5:45 am

An Army vs. Army battle?

In a shonen?

Especially in Dragon Ball, where this is possible?

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Re: What if the Freeza arc had a Return of the King climax?

Post by MasenkoHA » Sat Feb 27, 2021 8:51 am

It just doesn’t seem very kung fu to me. One man against an entire army? Yes absolutely. Army vs army? Nah

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Post by Dragon Ball Ireland » Sat Feb 27, 2021 9:15 am

I've often wondered how they will handle Freeza in the future, I'd be open to something like this whenever Super 2.0 comes out as we've never had a war arc in Dragon Ball.
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Re: What if the Freeza arc had a Return of the King climax?

Post by Polyphase Avatron » Sat Feb 27, 2021 5:21 pm

Again, the closest thing we've gotten to this is the battle in Resurrection F. And that was entertaining.
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Re: What if the Freeza arc had a Return of the King climax?

Post by Yuli Ban » Sat Feb 27, 2021 5:23 pm

Polyphase Avatron wrote: Sat Feb 27, 2021 5:21 pm Again, the closest thing we've gotten to this is the battle in Resurrection F. And that was entertaining.
In fact, it was the most entertaining part of the movie.
MasenkoHA wrote: Sat Feb 27, 2021 8:51 am It just doesn’t seem very kung fu to me. One man against an entire army? Yes absolutely. Army vs army? Nah
No, it works for kung fu and especially Wuxia, due to the fact many stories take place in Chinese history— and you don't have to be a scholar to know that Chinese history is incredibly bloodsoaked from massive wars. The key is that the army vs. army plot has to be either a subplot or in the background entirely so that the focus remains on the two-plus main fighters.

Heck, I'd go so far as to say even many Western fantasy and action stories work best when they keep the actual war in the background. Most large-scale war scenes have to be really well-paced and planned to work. Lord of the Rings made it work because it was trying to be a sort of pseudo-mythological English epic from the start.
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Re: What if the Freeza arc had a Return of the King climax?

Post by UltraInstinctRorikon » Sun Feb 28, 2021 11:25 am

I would LOVE a war and I hadn't realized DB lacked this till now. I hope this actually does happen in the series at least once now. Then all the chars can get to shine.
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Re: What if the Freeza arc had a Return of the King climax?

Post by 90sDBZ » Sun Feb 28, 2021 11:37 am

This makes me think about the Alabasta and Skypiea arcs from One Piece. They could still have Goku vs Frieza as 1v1 while everthing else happens in the background.

Perhaps it is a bit too overdramatic for Dragon Ball, but it's an interesting idea.

I'll also say I love the Z Fighters vs Frieza's army in RF. It's just really fun to watch.

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