Could Bulma build Androids stronger than Gero's androids?

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Could Bulma build Androids stronger than Gero's androids?

Post by GatoF » Mon Jun 28, 2021 6:28 pm

We all know that Bulma is a genius, I think she is even more intelligent than Gero.
Of course she wouldn't create cyborgs like 17 and 18 for moral reasons but do you guys think she could build androids more powerful than Android 16? She prefered to create a time machine to repair what 17 and 18 did which is arguably even more complex.
She didn't have issues to repair 16's body when Cell broke him as well.
Thinking about that I realized she could build machines that are stronger than Freeza who was the ruler of the universe and she is just a human.

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Post by MasenkoHA » Mon Jun 28, 2021 6:56 pm

She got Gero’s blueprints for 17 from Kuririn and Trunks. She definitely could have if not for the moral dilemma.

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Post by Lionel » Mon Jun 28, 2021 7:14 pm

I take it Bulma is just an all around scientific mastermind who isn't limited to a specific field of study like physics or aviation. When you consider that and the ingenuity she's displayed with her inventions and calculative know-how I think she could easily replicate Gero's apparatuses. Question is would she? Well in the interest of cyborgs unless the person in question was a consenting patient, I suspect she would limit her experimentation to the realm of mechanical humanoids.

Bulma might have an easier time of developing androids since she was able to analyse the internal components of #16 during the 7 day intermission.

I'm personally one of those individuals who is growing interested in the possibility of the human fighters being genetically enhanced. Tenshinhan may not agree to it but I can see Krillin and potentially Yamcha considering the opportunity.

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Post by BWri » Tue Jun 29, 2021 7:24 pm

It's all plot based isn't it. If the current creators wanted her to, she simply would.

Logically though, this doesn't appear to be a field she has any interest or skill in. Electronic devices and vehicles seems to be her forte. And the story presents bio-android/cyborg creation as something that Dr. Gero ... and some random space alien we don't yet know, are particularly good at. Even with Frieza's vast influence and wealth, his cybernetics were patchwork compared to what we've seen from Gero. The again, Frieza did pretty much rush to Earth to kill Goku.

I would think that with Gero's blueprints, that Bulma could indeed take up his research if she needed to. I think she's that intelligent and flexible at least.
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Post by nickzambuto » Wed Jun 30, 2021 4:20 pm

Probably not tbh. Gero was a specialist and spent his whole life building better and better androids. Look at Eighter in the early series compared to 16, 17, and 18. Those are huge upgrades over a period of years.

We have seen Bulma build some mechs that might be around Eighter's power level, but if she wants to reach SSJ level she would probably have to devote years and years to it.

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Post by theherodjl » Wed Jun 30, 2021 6:17 pm

nickzambuto wrote: Wed Jun 30, 2021 4:20 pm Probably not tbh. Gero was a specialist and spent his whole life building better and better androids. Look at Eighter in the early series compared to 16, 17, and 18. Those are huge upgrades over a period of years.

We have seen Bulma build some mechs that might be around Eighter's power level, but if she wants to reach SSJ level she would probably have to devote years and years to it.
It took Bulma & Dr. Briefs only a few days to figure out Gero's schematics for 17 and build a shutdown switch for both he and 18 as well, and neither of them were specialists in building bio-machine hybrids. If her and he father worked together for a few months, Bulma could not only craft an Android but also one far superior to the initial levels of 17 & 18.
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Post by miguelnuva1 » Wed Jun 30, 2021 10:14 pm

Yes should could and considering how Human 17 and 18 are they should be an arc where Tien, Yamcha, Kuririn and Chaozu consider being converted over even if they all ultimately decide against it.

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Post by BWri » Wed Jun 30, 2021 10:22 pm

miguelnuva1 wrote: Wed Jun 30, 2021 10:14 pm Yes should could and considering how Human 17 and 18 are they should be an arc where Tien, Yamcha, Kuririn and Chaozu consider being converted over even if they all ultimately decide against it.
That would have been a cool storyline leading up to the ToP.
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Post by GatoF » Wed Jun 30, 2021 10:55 pm

I don't think being enhanced by technology is part of Tien philosophy, he wouldn't want to do the same his former master Tao Pai Pai did.
Tien likes to become stronger on his own but I can see that happening to other humans.
Krillin would definitely accept to do it if were to save his family.

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Post by Lionel » Thu Jul 01, 2021 12:57 am

GatoF wrote: Wed Jun 30, 2021 10:55 pm I don't think being enhanced by technology is part of Tien philosophy, he wouldn't want to do the same his former master Tao Pai Pai did.
Tien likes to become stronger on his own but I can see that happening to other humans.
Krillin would definitely accept to do it if were to save his family.
Oh well not just to save his family. Imagine feeling so inadequate compared to your spouse that you feel like you're living in their shadow from a capability perspective? Krillin is competent as a fighter, sure, but his wife boasts a level of power that's likely dimensions greater compared to his own. Not only that, #18 has to live with the consequences of having been experimented on by Gero -- that includes a life span which will probably far outstrip virtually everyone else around her. Maybe Krillin would consider the procedure just to better empathise with his wife and be there for her throughout her incredibly long time on earth?

I've personally mentioned it before but Yamcha may be willing to undergo the procedure also. We've seen him humour self-gratifying requests before like mentioning a wish for a necklace from Shenron and, years prior, he was a scoundrel who robbed people in the desert so circumventing normal methods of acquisition doesn't seem to be an issue for him.

I agree with you about Tenshinhan. You can include Chaozu in there too since he's basically an extension of Tenshinhan's life and activities.

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Post by Jamtia » Mon Jul 05, 2021 1:01 am

I'm not sure. I don't feel like she specialized in that. Maybe Dr. Briefs because he was more of a lab man than Bulma. But Gero was really the pure genius.

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Post by FoolsGil » Mon Jul 05, 2021 9:24 am

She made a time machine, an invention far more complex than a fighting robot. So, if she wanted to make cyborgs or androids better than Gero's, she could.

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Post by Polyphase Avatron » Mon Jul 05, 2021 3:05 pm

FoolsGil wrote: Mon Jul 05, 2021 9:24 am She made a time machine, an invention far more complex than a fighting robot. So, if she wanted to make cyborgs or androids better than Gero's, she could.
That's spotty logic, as we don't really know the relative 'complexity' or how much more or less difficult it would be to build such things, as we're talking about two fictional technologies.
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Post by miguelnuva1 » Mon Jul 05, 2021 4:03 pm

Polyphase Avatron wrote: Mon Jul 05, 2021 3:05 pm
FoolsGil wrote: Mon Jul 05, 2021 9:24 am She made a time machine, an invention far more complex than a fighting robot. So, if she wanted to make cyborgs or androids better than Gero's, she could.
That's spotty logic, as we don't really know the relative 'complexity' or how much more or less difficult it would be to build such things, as we're talking about two fictional technologies.
A time machine will ways be more complex and harder to make than an Android. One is just making s robot the other has to deal with being the laws of reality.

Humans in real life are close to making Androids.

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Post by theherodjl » Mon Jul 05, 2021 7:22 pm

Polyphase Avatron wrote: Mon Jul 05, 2021 3:05 pm
FoolsGil wrote: Mon Jul 05, 2021 9:24 am She made a time machine, an invention far more complex than a fighting robot. So, if she wanted to make cyborgs or androids better than Gero's, she could.
That's spotty logic, as we don't really know the relative 'complexity' or how much more or less difficult it would be to build such things, as we're talking about two fictional technologies.
Artificially enhancing someone & building machines with AI from scratch are actually both something that exist in reality, if only at a rudimentary level in comparison to Gero's experiments.
Meanwhile, time travel is something that can only be approached from a purely-theoretical position as it might turn out that time either doesn't work at all that we may believe it to or it doesn't truly exist to begin with.
It's material vs immaterial.
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Post by Polyphase Avatron » Mon Jul 05, 2021 10:24 pm

theherodjl wrote: Mon Jul 05, 2021 7:22 pm
Polyphase Avatron wrote: Mon Jul 05, 2021 3:05 pm
FoolsGil wrote: Mon Jul 05, 2021 9:24 am She made a time machine, an invention far more complex than a fighting robot. So, if she wanted to make cyborgs or androids better than Gero's, she could.
That's spotty logic, as we don't really know the relative 'complexity' or how much more or less difficult it would be to build such things, as we're talking about two fictional technologies.
Artificially enhancing someone & building machines with AI from scratch are actually both something that exist in reality, if only at a rudimentary level in comparison to Gero's experiments.
Meanwhile, time travel is something that can only be approached from a purely-theoretical position as it might turn out that time either doesn't work at all that we may believe it to or it doesn't truly exist to begin with.
It's material vs immaterial.
17 and 18 have infinite, inexhaustible energy sources. That's just as much a violation of the laws of physics.
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Post by theherodjl » Mon Jul 05, 2021 10:48 pm

Polyphase Avatron wrote: Mon Jul 05, 2021 10:24 pm17 and 18 have infinite, inexhaustible energy sources. That's just as much a violation of the laws of physics.
That's really the only part of it that's completely fictional. Improving someone with technology is still something applicable in comparison to time travel, a concept that is totally inconsistent even across many mediums of fiction.
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Post by Polyphase Avatron » Mon Jul 05, 2021 11:27 pm

theherodjl wrote: Mon Jul 05, 2021 10:48 pm
Polyphase Avatron wrote: Mon Jul 05, 2021 10:24 pm17 and 18 have infinite, inexhaustible energy sources. That's just as much a violation of the laws of physics.
That's really the only part of it that's completely fictional. Improving someone with technology is still something applicable in comparison to time travel, a concept that is totally inconsistent even across many mediums of fiction.
What about simulating and interacting with mystical energy (ki)?

You can't say which technology would be more difficult to build, as there is no basis for comparison.

Didn't that guy in the Jaco manga build a limited time machine too? Does that mean he could make a cyborg stronger than 17 and 18?
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Post by Koitsukai » Tue Jul 06, 2021 10:09 am

Even better, she can create people stronger than them.

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Post by PurestEvil » Tue Jul 06, 2021 11:03 am

Koitsukai wrote: Tue Jul 06, 2021 10:09 am Even better, she can create people stronger than them.
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