What Retcon Would You Undo *Or* Tweak?

[theherodjl]

For undoing, it would be the potara's 1-hour fusion time. Why would Rou Kaioshin not know about the earring's time limit for non-Kaioshin when he's supposedly one of the most knowledgeable beings in the universe? The old man at least knew about the potara's effects while Shin wasn't even aware that he had magic fusion jewelry on his own ears. And why did Gowasu know about it despite also being a younger Kaioshin? Why did he perform temporal duties with the potara while Shin doesn't?
The time limit on the potara just creates a lot of questions about the Kaioshin and the ability to perform their duties. I'd have settled for Boo's "bad air" continuing to affect Goku & Vegeta for the rest of their lives as it could explain why they unfused in the first place and why subsequent fusions with the potara remain unstable. Its convenient & plausible and not a rewrite or reveal of incompetence on the U7 Kaioshin.

For tweaking, it would be the SSJ/ Kaio-ken dilemma. I just don't like the idea that Goku could never use SSJ combined with the Kaio-ken, the catch being "physical & emotional turmoil", when he had mastered SSJ to such an extent that there was no longer a strain on him both in body & mind. It diminishes FPSSJ's extent beyond the act of fighting as a SSJ and makes it seem like Goku gave up on a vital advantage too early.
I'd have just had it as Goku can only pull out 20x of his latent power in base form and that it simply doesn't stack with SSJ even if he tried to use it.

[WittyUsername]

I would undo the entire retcon concerning why Goku was sent to Earth. Also, I’d undo the idea that Beerus played any sort of role in the destruction of the Saiyans, as well as the idea that Freeza was familiar with the Super Saiyan God legend.

[Lord Beerus]

Everything about Dragon Ball Minus. All that shit can die in a fire for all I care.

[Hellspawn28]

Moro should have been the one that locked up Elder Kaioshin in the Z Sword and not Beerus.

[Cure Dragon 255]

I actually havent minded much of the retcons, the closest I have come is Dragon Ball Minus, and I came around when I watched the movie.

[BWri]

Beerus telling Frieza to eradicate the Saiyans. Hopefully the retcon results in something interesting.

[Peach]

The portara fusion having a time limit. I think Universe 7 earrings should be still permanent in order to raise the stakes if they're ever used again. Other universe earrings (like Gowasu) should be the ones to have time limits for non-Kai's.

Would also like Pikkon to not be retconned out of existence. Maybe Frieza was sent to the cocoon after Pikkon messed him up. With his mechanical body restored to add insult to injury.

I don't think all of Bardock: The father of Goku should be retconned out of existence either. Have the same basic plot occur, with Dodoria killing all of Bardock's squad and Bardock trying to warn everyone. Just have the circumstances of him sending Goku off world be different.

I also don't like the idea of retconing out Shenron having multiple wishes or having certain wishes he can't grant.

[90sDBZ]

Beerus telling Frieza to eradicate the Saiyans. Hopefully the retcon results in something interesting.

That one felt so unnecessary. Frieza already had plenty of motivation to do it. It feels like a cheap way of trying to make Beerus more menacing at the expense of Frieza's character.

The Z-Sword one feels silly too. It seems any major event from the distant past can now be attributed to Beerus. He probably caused the storm that plagued Namek too.

It's the same reason I don't like Bardock being the original Super Saiyan. I liked it better when the Super Saiyan of legend was this mysterious entity.

[Dragon Ball Ireland]

I liked the potara eating retcon, as it made them more balanced.

Beerus telling Freeza to destroy planet Vegeta is definitely the worst offender as it was a huge part of the latter character's arc and his paranoia against the saiyans to take it upon himself to do the deed.

I'd also say Toriyama's comment about Majin Boo always existing is another bad one.

[Gaffer Tape]

I'd undo Raditz telling Goku he's an alien. I don't really have anything against it. But since the introduction of Saiyans has shaped the direction, storytelling, and style of the franchise more than anything else, I'd be very curious to see a world where that never happened, and what Dragon Ball would look like without it.

[ABED]

1) Beerus being the one to tell Freeza to destroy planet Vegeta, and 2) Bardock sending Goku away to save him. Both are examples of putting a hat on a hat.

[MasenkoHA]

The one where Toriyama decided normal people (at least those interested in martial arts as a spectator sport) don’t have some base line understanding of ki. It’s a retcon that only exist so Mr.Satan can function as a profitable fraud.

[ABED]

The one where Toriyama decided normal people (at least those interested in martial arts as a spectator sport) don’t have some base line understanding of ki. It’s a retcon that only exist so Mr.Satan can function as a profitable fraud.

I don't recall it being the case that normies did.

[MasenkoHA]

The one where Toriyama decided normal people (at least those interested in martial arts as a spectator sport) don’t have some base line understanding of ki. It’s a retcon that only exist so Mr.Satan can function as a profitable fraud.

I don't recall it being the case that normies did.

They know enough that the Announcer treats the KameHameHameHa as being a technique known to be Muten Roshi’s alone as common knowledge. Normies may not know what ki is but they have some understanding that martial artist can do things like fire energy blast and fly and create false images and what not. They’re treated as techniques and not “special effects by showy stage magicians”

[BWri]

The one where Toriyama decided normal people (at least those interested in martial arts as a spectator sport) don’t have some base line understanding of ki. It’s a retcon that only exist so Mr.Satan can function as a profitable fraud.

I don't recall it being the case that normies did.

They know enough that the Announcer treats the KameHameHameHa as being a technique known to be Muten Roshi’s alone as common knowledge. Normies may not know what ki is but they have some understanding that martial artist can do things like fire energy blast and fly and create false images and what not. They’re treated as techniques and not “special effects by showy stage magicians”

Admittedly I'm doing the work for Toriyama-san, but I always thought that the spectators of the early TB were hardcore tournament fans whereas later, it becomes more mainstream, attracting a less dedicated crowd. But yeah, it does feel like a big retcon.

[MasenkoHA]

I don't recall it being the case that normies did.

They know enough that the Announcer treats the KameHameHameHa as being a technique known to be Muten Roshi’s alone as common knowledge. Normies may not know what ki is but they have some understanding that martial artist can do things like fire energy blast and fly and create false images and what not. They’re treated as techniques and not “special effects by showy stage magicians”

Admittedly I'm doing the work for Toriyama-san, but I always thought that the spectators of the early TB were hardcore tournament fans whereas later, it becomes more mainstream, attracting a less dedicated crowd. But yeah, it does feel like a big retcon.

The kinds of people we see attend the tournaments give off completely normal people looking for some entertainment, not hardcore martial arts enthusiasts. Even the guy who Kami possesses was ostensibly just some middle aged dork trying to bond with his rowdy son. Oolong at least heard of Son Gohan the world famous martial artist.

Plus Pampaut being a participant at the 22nd Tenkaichi Tournament was treated as a big publicity stunt. And it was Pampaut’s people making a big deal out of their star crossing over to martial arts not the tournament capitalizing on having a high profile participant. I just don’t buy into the “almost nobody cared about martial arts in Dragon Ball World until Mr.Satan came in”

[ABED]

Fair but the tournament arena isn't big. They seem like martial arts fans even if they don't know everything. The TB has a reputation for being the most important martial arts tournament on Earth so even if you haven't seen it, you know about it. I could see how the reputation for winning a tournament that isn't seen by many but known by everyone would be good for an action movie star's popularity.

When the tournament is brought back, the arena is SIGNIFICANTLY bigger with a much more mainstream audience who was significantly less informed about the martial arts.

[super michael]

I would retcon DBZ being that everyone remembers Master Roshi legends and his Kamehameha invented techniques. I would have the humans remember all the Martial Art Tournaments.

In DB everyone had good memory, but in DBZ everyone seems to have awful memory.

[ABED]

Was there a TV camera at the first three tournaments? Why are we assuming the sparsely populated crowd that saw those tournaments represents the whole world?

[super michael]

Was there a TV camera at the first three tournaments? Why are we assuming the sparsely populated crowd that saw those tournaments represents the whole world?

I don't know if there was cameras in the 21st, 22nd and 23rd Martial Art Tournament, but somehow all the fighters and audience at those tournament they forgot?

Somehow everyone remembers Mr Satan and his claim on defeat Cell and how ki attack isn't real.