How do you like transformation to work?

[super michael]

I am curious to see how members wants transformation to work or to even exist at all.

In Dragon Ball the first transformation was Oozaru, that transformation required a tail and a full moon. If the user is missing one or the other then he can turn into that form.
That form can make the user go berserk.
Later on we see with Vegeta with training they can gain control of their Oozaru form and use a ki taxing technique to create a fake moon.

Later on in Namek we are introduced to Super Saiyan, which once unlocked the user can turn into that form at will. The user doesn't go berserk and no requirement are needed like Oozaru.
The Super Saiyans forms higher up are the same like SSJ2, SSJ3, SSG and SSB.

GT introduce Super Oozaru, which is the Super Saiyan version of Oozaru. This transformation requires a full moon, a tail and access to SSJ. If any condition are not present then the user can turn into Oozaru and Super Oozaru.
Super Oozaru is also a berserk transformation, but if the user gains control then he turns SSJ4.

SSJ4 once the Saiyan gains that form he can turn at all without going berserk. A moon isn't needed, however if the Saiyan is missing his tail he can't access this form.

Ultra Instinct requires God Ki and training in that style to unlock that form, once unlocked they can turn into that form at will. No conditions required.

So which one do you like?

Then there is the option to not have transformation at all like majority of time with Goku during the beginning to the 23rd World Martial Art Tournament.

[Jord]

I'd like a risk/reward factor like Kaioken, early SSJ1 and SSJ3. Those actually raise the tension. The other transformations lose any sense of meaning once the series progresses since they just become the new standard.

[Saiya6Cit]

SSJ4 once the Saiyan gains that form he can turn at all without going berserk. A moon isn't needed, however if the Saiyan is missing his tail he can't access this form.

Which is precisely why it is my favorite transformation. To me it is the ultimate Saiyan and the best transformation of them all because it is great power without having to increase the size or depend on a moon. Perhaps that is why the eye color changes in this transformation, to compesate for all of the internal body changes going on, so much Ki transformation.

According to this article about "The science (saiyans XD) of Eye Color" The pupil can change size with certain emotions, thus changing the iris color dispersion and the eye color. You’ve probably heard people say your eyes change color when you’re angry, and that probably is true" https://flei.com/the-science-of-eye-color/ bottom line changing color makes the SSJ4 transformation so cool, I mean we get to see Vegeta with blue eyes, that gotta be something.

[Grimlock]

GT introduce Super Oozaru, which is the Super Saiyan version of Oozaru.

How do you know that?

[mute_proxy]

GT introduce Super Oozaru, which is the Super Saiyan version of Oozaru.

How do you know that?

He watched GT.

[super michael]

GT introduce Super Oozaru, which is the Super Saiyan version of Oozaru.

How do you know that?

That is what happens in GT.
First Base Goku turns into his Oozaru form which is the same like his DB version. Then later his Oozaru form turns yellow like a Super Saiyan and then the final step this Super Saiyan Oozaru turns SSJ4.

[Koitsukai]

SS4, it has the most requirements. Tail, Blutz waves (at first), SS and the capacity to control both transformations put together, ape and blond. Sounds like the hardest form to unlock, specially because saiyans lose their tails at a farily young age.

It requires the user to be extremely powerful, enough to go SS, have access to millions of Blutz waves (moon, tech, or a planet that reflects that amount of waves). Also it requires a tail, which is easy to lose if you are fighting your way up towards enough S-cells to go SS.

And then you need to be able to control that power. For Vegeta it was easier because he had the great ape form under his belt, he turned Ohzaru, then SS and immediately became SS4.

I also love Migatte no Gokui. It's the completely opposite route of SS, it's calmness and flow. And a lot of training.

Ultra Ego is also great, impulse and instincts...

[Grimlock]

He watched GT.

A lot of people did. But I doubt anyone can confirm that information.

That is what happens in GT.Then later his Oozaru form turns yellow like a Super Saiyan

Kind of makes sense, yes. But do we know for a certain the yellow fur comes from the Super Saiyan form?

I ask because this, coupled with the Dragon Ball Z's flashback, means that Golden Oozaru is the Legendary Super Saiyan form. So, did Goku only transform into this form in Dragon Ball GT? If so, what is the yellow-haired form?

Also, when Baby Vegeta transforms into an Oozaru, it seems to be Golden Oozaru. However, when he was humanoid, his hair was always white (and I think I remember Baby Vegeta having golden aura). If that's the case, shouldn't his version of Golden Oozaru be "White Oozaru", then?

[Aim]

SSJ4 once the Saiyan gains that form he can turn at all without going berserk. A moon isn't needed, however if the Saiyan is missing his tail he can't access this form.

Which is precisely why it is my favorite transformation. To me it is the ultimate Saiyan and the best transformation of them all because it is great power without having to increase the size or depend on a moon. Perhaps that is why the eye color changes in this transformation, to compesate for all of the internal body changes going on, so much Ki transformation.

According to this article about "The science (saiyans XD) of Eye Color" The pupil can change size with certain emotions, thus changing the iris color dispersion and the eye color. You’ve probably heard people say your eyes change color when you’re angry, and that probably is true" https://flei.com/the-science-of-eye-color/ bottom line changing color makes the SSJ4 transformation so cool, I mean we get to see Vegeta with blue eyes, that gotta be something.

What use is power if you can’t use it properly, the whole concept of SSGSS is that it is the “ultimate” super Saiyan form, we can see this in Toriyama’s DB media, Toriyama SSGSS is far stronger than Toei or Toyotaro SSGSS, the ki control and calmness of mind would help with that, whereas SS4 is just pulling all power out to absolute limits, no calm mind, just anger with less ki drain.

[FoolsGil]

I quite liked the initial ritual needed to activate Super Saiyan God.

[BWri]

I'd like a risk/reward factor like Kaioken, early SSJ1 and SSJ3. Those actually raise the tension. The other transformations lose any sense of meaning once the series progresses since they just become the new standard.

I agree with the risk/reward factor. I also like forms that do specific things or enhance specific attributes. It gives more of a reason to keep that form around when the eventual new hotness comes around.

I would say that I'm ready to get far beyond the hair colors, so I'd like any new transformations to transform the body in unique ways too other than just a muscle mass and definition change. Bringing back Oozaru would be cool and maybe making it a human sized fighting form would be dope.

As far as SSJ goes. SSJ1 and SSJ2 are great. I wish they branched off differently from those forms.

As far as god forms go. UI and Omen are the best ones. The other ones seem unneeded. They don't flow into one another too well. SSG seems like an underdeveloped form, but it does have potential and SSB is just a god version of SSJ, so its kinda redundant when SSG is already there unexplored.

[Peach]

Someone here once posted how they thought it would have been better if Super Saiyan Blue never existed and Super Saiyan God could only be accessed through the ritual. If it had stayed like that, that could have been awesome and made Goku & Vegeta less OP. It certainly would have made the Tournament of Power more interesting.

I also like the risk-reward element someone posted about in this thread. I don't know why Ultra Instinct didn't just stay like that. Now Goku can do it on command and the heat from the form doesn't affect him at all.

[ABED]

I don't have a preference beyond "as long as it leads to a good fight".

[MisteryOne]

Personally, I like it better when they are either unique in terms of mechanics (see Ultra Instict and Ultra Ego) or are, as others have said, difficult to use continously. Once you start spamming a transformation without any real drawbacks or at least difficulty while using it, said transformation will quickly be left in the dust because of the shonen nature of Dragonball.

[Gridlock]

IMO transformations are fun if there's a penalty to them.

Oozaru gives great strenght, but becomes a big target and is savage beast. It was a fun twist, that Vegeta was conscious in his transformation, making him so much deadlier, but I prefer the original idea.

Kaio Ken (I know, not really a transformation, but still) gives great strenght and speed boost, but can greatly damage the user if used irresponsible.

Super Sayan at first seemed like a perfect transformation, but I liked the retcon, that its quite taxing for the body... To bad they got rid of that almost imedietly with training, and SSJ2.

Ultra Super Sayan, great strenght boost, very low speed.

Super Sayan 3, huge boost for all stats, but quickly depletes the power.

Another thing I like is when after transformation visibly changes the way he fights. Base Goku, Kaio Goku, SSJ Goku or Goku God are like completly new people, changing their approach to the fight according to the new transformation. That's why Kaio Goku is my favorite, because the way he fought was just so drasticly different, compared to what we saw before. Quick precise and devastating punches, ratcher than barage of hits and kicks.

In that regard Super Sayan Blue is the most boring transformation of them all, because nothing really changes in how Goku behaves. He just shows up to fight Freeza, goes Blue like it's an everyday thing for him, and fights like he always does. That's why this transformation was so dissapointing to me, especially after Super Sayan God refreshed everything a little, and reminded me of Kaio Ken times.