Spain's Remastered Releases: DragonBox Masters?

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 3:48 pm

I didn't wanna derail the other discussion threads with this, but I'm curious...

Can someone verify for me whether the Spain remastered releases are indeed the DragonBox masters (though somewhat tweaked, I believe) and link me to something stating they are? I was gonna mention it on the Podcast, but I wanted to know if the argument that Toei wouldn't hand the masters over is bullshit or not first.

-Corey

SonGokuGT · Post by **SonGokuGT** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 4:21 pm

http://www.zonadvd.com/modules.php?name ... ent&id=624

zonadvd.com wrote:Como ya es sabido, la imagen de esta colección parte del máster original japonés sin censura usado en las famosas DragonBox y que a su vez ha sido remasterizada para la ocasión.

In other words...

As translated by SonGokuGT wrote:As it is already known, the video from this set comes from the original uncensored Japanese masters used in the famous DragonBoxes, and has also been remastered for this occasion.

I don't know how truthful that statement is...

Corey, go down on that same page I linked to and see the image that compares "The Restoration". It seems they are comparing Spain's to the DragonBox.

sangofe · Post by **sangofe** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 4:26 pm

Nope, from what I hear, it's not from Dragonbox masters, but from masters AB video are in possesion of.

b_boult · Post by **b_boult** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 5:37 pm

I don't know whether it's just me but I actually prefer the general look of the Spanish masters, irrespective of whether they're from the Dragon Box or some AB master (I don't believe this for a minute though, any AB source must be incredibly old by now). The colours feel more alive but without being too in your face, although I know the video quality suffers a little bit because of the alterations they made, though it has to be said I don't really notice this and its a compromise I'd be happy with here.

sangofe · Post by **sangofe** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 6:04 pm

b_boult wrote:I don't know whether it's just me but I actually prefer the general look of the Spanish masters, irrespective of whether they're from the Dragon Box or some AB master (I don't believe this for a minute though, any AB source must be incredibly old by now). The colours feel more alive but without being too in your face, although I know the video quality suffers a little bit because of the alterations they made, though it has to be said I don't really notice this and its a compromise I'd be happy with here.

AB renewed their raws, from film, lately.

SonGokuGT · Post by **SonGokuGT** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 6:05 pm

Spain's original Dragonball [as in the first series] and the Dragonball Z movies and Specials on DVD are probably the worst in terms of picture quality that I've ever seen. They make FUNimation's look good! So there's no way in hell that they are the AB masters. No ammount of touch-ups could make AB's masters look that good!

Timo · Post by **Timo** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 7:23 pm

Probably AB ordered new material and re-mastered it. At least I believe it's not from the DragonBox masters. Some colors are different and there is some "grain". But it's okay. Better than FUNi's stuff yet.

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 9:20 pm

Speaking of the Spain release, they have some pretty tempting looking extras. Though I'm a bit confused on if their video game openings are the Japanese vocal versions (with Sparking!'s being the We Gotta Power audio) or the North American versions. Any idea?

Sorry if I'm being a bit off topic.

SatoSky · Post by **SatoSky** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 2:43 am

Here are some images from Volume 5:
http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/3972/pdvd000wv0.png
http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/2830/pdvd003eq6.png

Here is the image that hurts my eyes the most:

And here are some images from their "re-mastering":

You can see some grain in the half of the screen that reads "Antes," which means before. "Despues" means after. It's obvious that the colors were saturated in order to bleed out that grain.

Sorry I don't have any of the Dragon Box singles to compare these to.

Lobster_Rage155 · Post by **Lobster_Rage155** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 2:30 pm

Well, I'm no expert, but it basically looks like they took some DragonBox masters and bumped up the saturation. Could be wrong, though.

SatoSky · Post by **SatoSky** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 2:33 pm

There are too many video artifacts such as hairs and dust to be the Dragon Box remasters.

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 6:25 pm

SatoSky wrote:There are too many video artifacts such as hairs and dust to be the Dragon Box remasters.

Yeah, I agree. I'm not exactly the biggest expert or fan of the Dragonboxes, as we all know, but even I can tell with this is a "saturate this, so we can bleed out that" issue. Hopefully the remastering job on the season sets will be more expertly accomplished. Looking at these pics, the remastering job doesn't look any better than say Gokuden's *cringes* bootlegs.

And please Gokuden, for the love of God, don't post any comparison pics.

SatoSky · Post by **SatoSky** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 6:32 pm

Conan the SSJ wrote:
SatoSky wrote:There are too many video artifacts such as hairs and dust to be the Dragon Box remasters.
Yeah, I agree. I'm not exactly the biggest expert or fan of the Dragonboxes, as we all know, but even I can tell with this is a "saturate this, so we can bleed out that" issue. Hopefully the remastering job on the season sets will be more expertly accomplished. Looking at these pics, the remastering job doesn't look any better than say Gokuden's *cringes* bootlegs.

And please Gokuden, for the love of God, don't post any comparison pics.

Actually on my TV these look really good. Trust me that these are way better than Gokuden's DVD's. And I agree that Gokuden shouldn't post anymore images.

Lobster_Rage155 · Post by **Lobster_Rage155** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 9:40 pm

SatoSky wrote:There are too many video artifacts such as hairs and dust to be the Dragon Box remasters.

Eh, well you can blame my monitor at the time for me not noticing that, because now I cringe a little when I look at those "Before" shots...

Eclipse · Post by **Eclipse** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 10:42 pm

Wow! Some of those images hurt my eyes.

So the masters were basically saturated and touched up here and there? I dunno if that's the best way to remaster stuff, but it does look pretty good.

Bardock the Mexican · Post by **Bardock the Mexican** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 11:58 pm

How come the people who did this didn't just go and get the Japanese footage like the 'evil funimation empire' did? Wouldn't we expect better from the folks in España? Why didn't they use thier own footage and revamp that? So many questions so little answers.

Gokuden553 · Post by **Gokuden553** » Sun Jan 07, 2007 3:54 pm

Conan the SSJ wrote:Hopefully the remastering job on the season sets will be more expertly accomplished.

I doubt that since Funimation's Cell Game Saga episodes had the same awful bright saturation quality as Spain's masters did, hence the right red shirt of Goku's and the very bright blue sky.

But as I said before it was hard to tell the difference between them and the Spanish ones because they look so much alike.

And I would hate to see how Funi would remaster their Cell Game episodes since they are completely the same as Spain's version to begin with... minus the zoom in's and missing eye catchers.

Want some proof, take a look at this sites pictures of Funi's newly releaced Cell Games saga picture screenshots *Old link Revived with wayback machine*

http://web.archive.org/web/200512201416 ... anos.shtml

Sun_Wukong · Post by **Sun_Wukong** » Sun Jan 07, 2007 7:32 pm

Blimey, that red really hurts me eyes..

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