You misunderstand. I don't hate Super because it "replaced" GT (which it didn't, it's its own thing)... GT has NOTHING whatsoever to do with my hatred of Super. I have NOTHING against a separate continuity that's incompatible with GT. That's FINE. That kind of thing happens AAAALL THE TIME in these gigantic, decades-long franchises.SupremeKai25 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 10, 2024 8:13 pmYou can't hate the SERIES for what its FANDOM does. The "Canon" debacle is a Community-generated debacle. Super by itself is harmless; while it cannot possibly be reconciled with GT in the exact same world (Unless everyone suddenly got amnesia and Beerus went back to sleep and whatnot), it doesn't go out of its way to erase GT from existence. In fact, through Xenoverse 2 (one of the most popular and mainstream Anime videogames of the 2010s), the Super and GT worlds are actually linked, with the GT characters (including GT Adult Trunks) giving their energy so that Super Future Trunks can defeat Super Fused Zamasu with the spirit sword; a videogame adaptation of Super's Zamasu arc, that nonetheless takes GT into account:Vegetto95 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 10, 2024 7:46 pm What's more, I DO NOT remember seeing the whole "canon" discussion ANYWHERE NEEEEEEAAAAR as insanely fucking much pre-Super. I definitely saw it on RARE occasion even back to the early-mid 2000s due to the differences between the manga and anime and the weirdness of the DB and Z movies, but it just fuckin' SKYROCKETED like crazy a few years into Super's existence, which is just one more thing added to the already huge pile of "Reasons Why I Despise Dragon Ball Super" lol
https://youtu.be/oAnG924WFq8?t=89
Super in itself is an harmless show. Toriyama shouldn't have been constrained by the boundaries set by GT back in 2013. You can't hate Super just because it introduced elements that are incompatible with GT, that is an inevitability. Nor would it be fair to argue that Super should have never existed because it contradicts GT's plot points.
At the same time, You can't hate Super for the fandom taking the Canon debacle to the extreme. The writers of Super clearly are not corroborating that debacle.
I think you are being way too unfair towards Super, almost hating it just for existing (and thus, GT no longer being the only "sequel" to DBZ). The Super series in itself is harmless and doesn't invalidate GT's existence and the GT nostalgia for those who are feeling nostalgic about it. This whole "Canon" debacle is a Community-generated debate.
And I CERTAINLY don't hate it for what the fandom does, you COMPLETELY misinterpreted what I was trying to say there. There are things I hate about Super ITSELF that have created the fandom behavior I find annoying, NOT the other way around.
No, I hate Super entirely on its own merits. I hate it because I think it's an INCREDIBLY poorly written series (across its TV anime, movie, AND manga aspects) that severely regressed multiple characters, focused on many of the worst aspects of the original series (hence the many streaks of horrendously long, boring fights with no substance whatsoever such as in the Tournament of Power, the Broli movie, and the Granolah arc, as well as the unending stream of nonsense new rainbow transformations that characters CONSTANTLY pull out of their asses with zero buildup or explanation as the plot demands), and stoops to using several annoying modern battle shōnen tropes like "THE POWER OF FRIENDSHIP!!" and "muh tragic backstory waaaaah". And I'm FAR from the only person who feels that way.
But here's the thing, here's the thing that I was getting at in my prior post: I also hate it for the COMPLETE lack of any real way to understand what the fuck is going on. With the original manga and the DB/Z/GT anime, it was SUPER easy to understand where everything stood: the manga stood on its own as the original source material, and the DB and Z anime were direct animated adaptations of it, with GT simply being an anime-exclusive direct sequel to them. And of course you had the movies which... just did their own weird little things by themselves lol
With Super, however... the anime was NOT a direct adaptation of the manga, and instead both separately adapted the same story arcs their own ways, which became OOOOH SOOO completely tangled up in nonsense because of the existence of the four movies (God and God/Battle of Gods, Revival of 'F', Broli, and Super Hero), which are all considered to be a part of the stories of the manga and TV anime (and, aside from Broli, have been adapted by them as well) in some confusingass way or another and criss-cross and intersect with them in ways that the creators have never bothered to explain.
This last decade of Dragon Ball has been an absolute MESS of continuity, and THAT'S what I hate about it that actually pertained to what I was talking about before. THAT'S the aspect of it that I feel has had an adverse effect on the fandom developing this ridiculous OBSESSION with "canon". You know when you have a necklace or a bunch of cords laying around that have somehow gotten ridiculously tangled up and basically become an infuriating puzzle to straighten out? THAT'S what Super as a whole feels like. That's the point I was trying to make that you apparently didn't understand (possibly because, at least judging by how you worded what you wrote, that you assumed that I was only referring to the Super TV anime and not everything under the Dragon Ball Super banner?)