Splitting Up "General Franchise Discussion"

[Zephyr]

To be blunt: topics surrounding things like television airings, dubs, home releases, picture quality, audio quality, and related minutia are deeply uninteresting to me at this point in my fandom. And there are an absolute ton of them on the front page of the General Franchise Discussion sub-forum.

This is obviously partly a matter of bias and preference on my part, but I'm not saying this to stigmatize topics I don't care for; they're valuable and worthwhile avenues of inquiry and discussion!

That being said, these sorts of topics feel like very different beasts from things like the narrative, the author, creative influences, themes, creative process, etc. One family of topics involves discussing the work itself, broadly speaking, and the other family of topics involves discussing the way the work has been treated beyond itself. If that makes sense.

So I'm wondering what the community and staff think about the idea of splitting the General Franchise Discussion into two different sub-forums.

That said, I can imagine some reasonable resistance to the idea. "That would be a lot of work", "what would we even call the two new sub-forums?", "too many sub-forums is a bad thing and we already might be getting another one with Daima", etc.

It's very much not the end of the world if this is completely shot down; I'll live. But it's an intrusive thought that I've been having over the last few weeks, so I thought it might be worth throwing out there, in case others are into the idea and want to spitball it into something.

[Rafa Fast]

Hugely agree here, this doesn't exactly irritate or bother me, I'm already used to it so I don't mind it, but I would definitely like this split, when i go to General i expect to see discussions about other DB content that are not in-universe discussions, but that still are related to the franchise, like discussions about the animation of the episodes and films, the art, the production of the anime, etc., but what I see are mostly discussions about dubs, TV airings and home releases and things like that, which I also have no interest. I also have nothing against these topics, if there are people who like and have fun discussing this kind of content, that's fine, I don't want to take away the relevance of these discussions.

The problem is, we have to agree that this kind of discussion has nothing to do with the Dragon Ball franchise, they address something that is completely separate from the production of the series, instead they talk about a international process that is related to other companies and other people who are definitely not involved with the franchise.
When you make a topic about a specific DB dub, you are discussing the work of the people behind that dub, how they handled translation and adaptation, the voice actors, etc., in other words, you are discussing the work of a dub company, not about Dragon Ball.
Same thing with TV airings, in these topics you discuss how each channel or country aired the show, the episodes, the time slots, etc., and not about Dragon Ball.

Basically the purpose of these topics is to discuss something that goes beyond the Dragon Ball franchise, it's a completely different world, just like you said, the discussions objectively never need to have anything related to Dragon Ball, but they need to mention Dragon Ball at least once somewhere because I think it's a rule of the site, but the basis is discussing something that is not related to the franchise at all, they could very well talk about how these companies and channels treated other series, which actually already happens.

So I think that's a little problem because some people come to this forum to talk about out-universe Dragon Ball stuff or learn more about the overall franchise, so they go to general FRANCHISE discussion, and most of the actual Dragon Ball related threads there are scrambled with the dub threads and more, and that is not very good for me.

Now about the part of creating a sub-forum, I really don't know if it would be really difficult to create a sub-forum just for these subjects, so I won't discuss that because I don't know how it works.
Now "too many sub-forums" for me is not a good argument, I think it would only make navigation through the forum better and more organized for the users.
And "what would we even call the two new sub-forums?" for me this is extremely easy to answer, especially since I participate in another forum that knows how to deal with this problem very well, which is basically creating a sub-forum that discusses anything that goes beyond Dragon Ball (as said before), you in this sub-forum can technically still talk about Dragon Ball but the purpose is to discuss something that is not linked to the franchise, for example, a thread talking about "Toei treats One Piece better than Dragon Ball" would go here, because even if this topic has something to do with Dragon Ball, this topic would also talk about One Piece, and a lot of people here probably don't know anything about One Piece and its relationship with Toei.
I believe the sub-forum could very well be called "Beyond Dragon Ball", anyone who read this title would already understand the purpose of this sub-forum, or simply "General Discussion", as with "General FRANCHISE Discussion" you're saying that the focus of the thread is still Dragon Ball, which is not the case of this thread for example.
While for threads that discuss anything Dragon Ball out-universe, a new sub-forum would not actually be created, "General Franchise Discussion" would continue to exist in the same way as it already expresses very well its purpose, to discuss the Dragon Ball franchise outside of its universe, so only "Beyond Dragon Ball" would be created.

I've been thinking about this for a long time actually, but I never made a post about it because I thought it wasn't necessary and I didn't think they would support my idea either, so it's really cool to see that someone else thinks the same way, I really have the feeling that there are people here who would like to discuss dubs, TV airings, media and other things more openly but are unable to because they have to limit themselves to keeping the discussion minimally related to Dragon Ball in some way, DB as it is a franchise with a huge influence, it will inevitably lead to several other discussions that cover the world of anime, manga, Japanese culture and more, so creating this sub-forum in my opinion would not only be good to make this separation, but it would also be good for members who want to discuss subjects that go beyond the franchise, I totally support it.

Of course, I'm not saying it can be anything, I'm not saying that you have to let members discuss politics and topics like that in this sub-forum, the topics have to cover discussions similar to those seen in Dragon Ball topics at best, so the environment here remains safe and organized. I'm 100% sure this would work, I've seen it working on other forums, I'm sure the same thing would happen here, would make me appreciate this place more and other users would as well for sure, so I definitely buy the idea ^^

[Makaioshin]

I agree that the forums could benefit from this kind of restructuring. A production sub or rather one just focused on these international dubs and air-dates would go a long way to reasonably sorting out these topics. In a sense, they could even help strengthen these discussions which as there is an issue also with various threads like this being remade monthly.

[Dragon Ball Ireland]

when i go to General i expect to see discussions about other DB content that are not in-universe discussions, but that still are related to the franchise, like discussions about the animation of the episodes and films, the art, the production of the anime, etc., but what I see are mostly discussions about dubs, TV airings and home releases and things like that

But they're all in the same category as dubs, broadcasts, home video, etc, it's all Behind-The-Scenes stuff. Now you could argue that the former group of topics is about the main production side, which is the Japanese and the latter caters to the international side, which is their their take on what was originally done for the original market with whatever adjustments need to be made for making it accessible in a different language.

The problem is if there's separate sub forums for both groups in General Franchise Discussion (which covers the original three anime, movies, specials, etc) you would also need to create sub-forums for each in the Kai, Super and eventual Daima sub-forums too as we are going to get plenty of threads for both in all three of them. The Kai sub-forum especially wouldn't be active enough considering how long the Ocean dub thread has kept it alive for.

So no, I wouldn't be in favour of splitting up the forums and it wouldn't be fair on the mods either by creating more unneeded work for them.

[Rafa Fast]

The problem is if there's separate sub forums for both groups in General Franchise Discussion (which covers the original three anime, movies, specials, etc) you would also need to create sub-forums for each in the Kai, Super and eventual Daima sub-forums too as we are going to get plenty of threads for both in all three of them. The Kai sub-forum especially wouldn't be active enough considering how long the Ocean dub thread has kept it alive for.

I think it won't be neccessary, I don't see the problem in that, for me they could all very well belong to the same sub-forum, because, well, there are already topics regarding these subjects but talking about DB, Z, GT and even Super (I saw it, it's just a bit rare), and all of them are discussed in the same General Franchise Discussion sub-forum, they all address the same subjects, it just changes the series, if these discussions regarding 4 different series are all made in the same sub forum, then why create separate sub-forums for Kai, Super etc? Just take the Music Sub-Forum for example, that sub forum is for music of the entire franchise, you don't have separate sub-forums discussing the music from Super, one for Z, one for Kai etc, they're all in the same Sub-forum.
And about the activity of the Kai sub-forum, it's just the natural law of things, if you look at other forums around the internet, not every sub-forum in them will be very active, but they'll always get a new topic from time to time.

So I 100% believe the same could be done here, I highly doubt anyone would be confused by it, again, I think it just would make the navigation through the forum better for the users.

[Zephyr]

Rafa already said some of this, but to echo it:

The problem is if there's separate sub forums for both groups in General Franchise Discussion (which covers the original three anime, movies, specials, etc) you would also need to create sub-forums for each in the Kai, Super and eventual Daima sub-forums too as we are going to get plenty of threads for both in all three of them. The Kai sub-forum especially wouldn't be active enough considering how long the Ocean dub thread has kept it alive for.

I don't think that's necessarily the case. There are plenty of topics that could reasonably fall into multiple sub-forums. Let's say you want to make a thread about Kai's music under the current sub-forum system. Do you make it in the Kai section, or the Music section? Either would probably be fine, right?

Let's say you want to make some thread about the green tint in Boo Kai under this proposed split sub-forum system. Do you make it in the Kai section, or the, I dunno, 'Technical Discussion' section? Either would probably be fine, right?

I think it might be helpful for people interested in these sorts of discussions if all of the threads talking about them were in the same place. Folks super into the audiophile and videophile minutia, such as broadcast audio, incorrect colors, who has what masters, why there's all this green tint, etc. would have all of these related discussions happening near each other. It might even be easier to see if something is a repeated topic, since it won't be hidden in a cavalcade of unrelated topics.

Same goes for people interested in various dubs, the very nature of dubbing, alleged sub or dub elitism, and so on. LoganForkHands' recent (joke) post on this topic is decent food for thought:

I haven't been as active here in the last few months but since I started dropping back in, I fell under the impression Kanzenshuu had become a dub fan's paradise. I see hardly any sub/dub elitism. Every new topic seems to be about some obscure Peruvian, Yugoslavian, High Elvish dub that two, three or maybe even four people have possibly seen in the entire global population. I tend not to get involved personally but I'm glad they have an audience.

There is a lot of dub discussion these days, and that's great! But there's enough of it that I can't help but wonder if it now warrants its own space. I guess I'm then suggesting the addition of two new sub-forums: Technical Discussion and Dub Discussion. Because while I'm not terribly interested in either, they are distinct categories of discussion.

[sangofe]

Rafa already said some of this, but to echo it:

The problem is if there's separate sub forums for both groups in General Franchise Discussion (which covers the original three anime, movies, specials, etc) you would also need to create sub-forums for each in the Kai, Super and eventual Daima sub-forums too as we are going to get plenty of threads for both in all three of them. The Kai sub-forum especially wouldn't be active enough considering how long the Ocean dub thread has kept it alive for.

I don't think that's necessarily the case. There are plenty of topics that could reasonably fall into multiple sub-forums. Let's say you want to make a thread about Kai's music under the current sub-forum system. Do you make it in the Kai section, or the Music section? Either would probably be fine, right?

Let's say you want to make some thread about the green tint in Boo Kai under this proposed split sub-forum system. Do you make it in the Kai section, or the, I dunno, 'Technical Discussion' section? Either would probably be fine, right?

I think it might be helpful for people interested in these sorts of discussions if all of the threads talking about them were in the same place. Folks super into the audiophile and videophile minutia, such as broadcast audio, incorrect colors, who has what masters, why there's all this green tint, etc. would have all of these related discussions happening near each other. It might even be easier to see if something is a repeated topic, since it won't be hidden in a cavalcade of unrelated topics.

Same goes for people interested in various dubs, the very nature of dubbing, alleged sub or dub elitism, and so on. LoganForkHands' recent (joke) post on this topic is decent food for thought:

I haven't been as active here in the last few months but since I started dropping back in, I fell under the impression Kanzenshuu had become a dub fan's paradise. I see hardly any sub/dub elitism. Every new topic seems to be about some obscure Peruvian, Yugoslavian, High Elvish dub that two, three or maybe even four people have possibly seen in the entire global population. I tend not to get involved personally but I'm glad they have an audience.

There is a lot of dub discussion these days, and that's great! But there's enough of it that I can't help but wonder if it now warrants its own space. I guess I'm then suggesting the addition of two new sub-forums: Technical Discussion and Dub Discussion. Because while I'm not terribly interested in either, they are distinct categories of discussion.

If you're gonna make new sub forums, why not make Dragon Ball Manga discussion forum, and other anime sub forums as well? It gets a bit difficult to choose, so maybe we can use the search function to find what we want to discuss?

[Rafa Fast]

Trying to think of a counterpoint, I think a good reason for not having this separation would simply be the format in which the forum works, if we stop to see, it's very simple, you have sub-forums for each incarnation of the franchise (except the first 3), sub-forum only for in-universe discussions, general franchises, music and video games, and fan-created works. There isn't a complex separation, for example, a sub-forum about merchandise, one about collections, one about news, etc., they're all in the same place, and I think it could also be a bit problematic for some user who would like to see news, go to the general franchise discussion and they are all mixed with topics that simply discuss opinions or stuff like that, there are certainly people who like more to debate information.

If we consider that, I think it makes sense to have discussions about dubs, home releases etc in the same sub-forum as general discussions about the franchise, it's in line with the simplicity of the forum, the lack of complexity in the separation is clear.

Still, it doesn't make much sense to me, if there is a sub forum just for music, I think it would be fair to have one for dubs too, both cover very specific topics that many users who like to discuss story, characters and news won't be interested in. I can say this from experience, I was a user who was much more present on the Music Sub Forum for a long time, and I can say with certainty that having a sub-forum just for that content makes all the difference.
I don't know if LoganForkHands' post really was just a joke, but I definitely agree, when I come here I always feel that discussions about dubs and related stuff have a stronger presence that can compete with discussions about the series' universe and games like Sparking Zero, sometimes even surpassing them.
If these discussions have such relevance, then I really think that creating a place just for them would make them even more special, having them thrown in between several unrelated discussions doesn't seem very good to me, I seriously try to look at it from the perspective of someone who likes to discuss these topics, and I swear that I can only see benefits in making this split, imagine going to a sub forum that only has discussions about dubs and home releases and you no long have to search for these among other unrelated topics, doesn't that sound good? Imagine a Dub sub-forum just like the Music Sub-Forum.

Take this thread as an example and tell me if it doesn't seem limited because there isn't a sub-forum just for this type of discussion.

I say this with certainty because for someone like me who has discussed music a lot, I can guarantee that without that sub-forum, discussions about the franchise's music would simply get totally lost and easily forgotten in the General Franchise Discussion, so there is someone to relate here.

There is a lot of dub discussion these days, and that's great! But there's enough of it that I can't help but wonder if it now warrants its own space. I guess I'm then suggesting the addition of two new sub-forums: Technical Discussion and Dub Discussion. Because while I'm not terribly interested in either, they are distinct categories of discussion.

About the "Technical Discussion" and "Dub Discussion" thing, I personally think it would still be better to just create a "General Discussion / Beyond Dragon Ball" sub-forum, as it would be less work for the staff, but in case it's not hard for them, then I agree, I also think it's a good idea to create these 2 sub-forums, it would make things more specific, a "General Discussion" would still not solve everything as there would be a lot of topics not related to dubs, that's why I said that "Dubs" deserves its own sub-forum just as "Music" has its own sub-forum.

If you're gonna make new sub forums, why not make Dragon Ball Manga discussion forum, and other anime sub forums as well? It gets a bit difficult to choose, so maybe we can use the search function to find what we want to discuss?

I think it makes perfect sense to not create separate sub-forums for "Animes", "Movies" and "Manga", as the 3 tend to cover the same themes, production, history, news, etc., so generally the people who go to "Dragon Ball Super" will be interested in all 3. Now the same people will hardly be interested in Dub discussions.

Well I tried to look for a counterpoint, but there's no way, I can only see benefits in making this split, for both sides and for the general forum, not saying that it needs to happen, I'll be fine if it continues the way it is and I didn't see anyone who discusses dubs complaining about this (that doesn't mean there isn't someone who complains about it), but I definitely think it would make things better.

[Dragon Ball Ireland]

I think a "Music" sub-forum is understandable because people enjoy music on its own. Shunsuke Kikuchi's score benefits from the visuals of Dragon Ball but a lot of fans, myself included will just put it on when we're not watching the series simply because it's good music.

As much as we can say Dubs are not a part of the show's original production and are inherently a reversioning they don't exist in a vacuum and can't be as easily separated from the show as they are an intended part of the viewing experience in whatever language for fans that want the option. So I don't know if the rationale for sub-categorizing them is as strong as it is for Music.

I see where the idea of a "Technical Discussion" is coming from, but with things like Boo Kai's green tint it is such a defining characteristic of that installment of the series, most people who talk about Boo Kai in its appropriate forum are going to talk about the green tint because that's what makes it unwatchable for many or at the very least jarring for an also not-insignificant number.

Similarly the Kikuchi placement for many fans significantly hurts Kai as a piece of media to watch, so it's inevitable threads will pop up in the Kai sub-forum about it and not Music every now and then. Conversely I think fans would feel less need to post their issues with the Kai placement in a Music sub-forum because they enjoy Kikuchi's score on its own and for its placement in the original series, Z, movies and specials. And for Yamamoto there's fans who can't watch Kai in good conscience knowing they're watching a show scored by a shameless plagiarist and (understandably) can't divorce it from their thoughts on Kai in general.

[LoganForkHands73]

Damn, I've been summoned

My post was a joke, though there was of course an observable grain of truth to it. It definitely feels like there's been an uptick in posts covering various dubs. On the one hand, this feels like the kind of obscure trivia that this website was made for. On the other, this website is clearly focused on the original Japanese productions and I'm quite sympathetic to anyone who'd rather the site stay more focused on them. Even though dubs aren't really my thing, I genuinely appreciate that guys like Ireland have been dedicated to documenting as many as possible for posterity's sake. After all, a "perfect Dragon Ball database" would have to cover dubs eventually, though we may see the heat death of the universe before the Kanzenshuu wiki sees a full release and we can stop relying on that Fandom garbage

Anyway, splitting up the sub-forums could be a good idea, though I will agree with the dissenters that it can be a slippery slope. As long as I've been here, occasional dub discussions and certainly tonnes of threads about the various home video releases and formats have been a staple of the General Franchise Discussion page. While I tend to just ignore topics that don't interest me, I fear that GenFraDis would be rendered barren without them. Although it's all the same site, the sub-forums attract different crowds who tend to stay in those lanes. I have a feeling that people will find ways to sneak dub and technical topics into GenFraDis just for the higher traffic.

[MasenkoHA]

I do think an International subforum (that includes all non-Japanese dubs) and a home media/streaming/broadcast subforum would be a good idea. It's undeniable that so much of the General Discussion subforum has been filled with post about Dragon Ball airing in x country that it might as well get it's own subsection.

[GhostEmperorX]

The best time to do a site/forum restructuring (with subsections and all) would probably have been in 2020 when there was more time in general (notwithstanding the uptick in technical discussions not being quite there at the time). If pulled off at just the right time, it can have a great deal of success as well as ease with regards to functionality, navigation, etc.

Personally, I don't have a hard dividing line between what I like to discuss about this franchise (or indeed any other). Especially as it can put lots of areas into perspective in a bunch of disparate but linked topics, and doesn't really conflict with what the site is about.
And not every franchise can have a Kanzenshuu equivalent, even in the anime/manga world, which is due in no large part to just how big it is. It takes influence from lots of media before it, and influenced a lot after, so connections can be made to any number of things. With this in mind, there seem to be those who want to talk about the series as though it exists in a vacuum, and if that's the case, then it wouldn't exactly be a good reason in and of itself. You never know when there might be good cause to mention some other IP, all the more so when technical details are involved.

Not sure if that's the case, also not sure if there's a problem with the subforum proposal either, but I think those are worth keeping in mind when talking about the subject.

I think a "Music" sub-forum is understandable because people enjoy music on its own. Shunsuke Kikuchi's score benefits from the visuals of Dragon Ball but a lot of fans, myself included will just put it on when we're not watching the series simply because it's good music.

Although it's (understandably) quite inactive in recent days, even when there were a few newer threads made about that very subject here & there on that subsection.

[Zephyr]

Sorry to basically make this thread and run. I've been busy, and while I have posted in other threads here lately, this is one that's had some pretty large posts in it, and some other posts in other threads mentioning it, that I didn't have the energy to give the thought they deserved until now. People took time to give me feedback, so I needed to take time to carefully consider and respond to that feedback.

If you're gonna make new sub forums, why not make Dragon Ball Manga discussion forum, and other anime sub forums as well? It gets a bit difficult to choose, so maybe we can use the search function to find what we want to discuss?

I mean, I'm not just suggesting splitting things up for the sake of splitting things up. Sure, there are dozens of additional ways we could split discussions. We could have a manga sub-forum, a Toriyama sub-forum, an animation sub-forum, and so on. We could have a sub-forum for discussing movies. We could have a sub-forum for discussing the Super manga specifically. The reason I'm not suggesting these is that they aren't in practice making up a noticeable genre of threads (for lack of a better term), the way "X problem with home releases" and "Dragon Ball in Y country" do. I'm operating on the same basic approach I'd take to "how many channels should there be in this Discord server?" Which is: it depends. Start things simple and small, and expand as needed. I'm suggesting that, in the case of dubs and technical stuff, expansion might now be justified.

To put it another way, I feel like "General Franchise" refers to the grab bag of all the remaining non-specific things leftover after the other sub-forums centralize their own types of topics. Things like dubs and technical minutia seem like they're growing into very specific and reoccurring types of topics. Basically, the community has 'decided' (collectively and unintentionally, purely through their actions in bringing things up for discussion) that these topics are worth discussing, to an extent that I think they arguably deserve their own centralized space, the same way fan works and music do. While I wasn't yet around when this happened, the Fan-Created Works sub-forum wasn't around at first. If one thing can get prevalent enough to warrant its own space, then other things can too. That doesn't necessarily involve a slippery slope where we must then give every single thing its own space.

Or better, people here love to talk about dubs, then why not create a “Dub Discussion” sub-forum? I know that would be good, because let's remember, there is a “Music” sub-forum, I mean, why not make a sub-forum dedicated to Dubs and Airings too? These three are content that a lot of users don't have any interest in discussing, I know the Music discussions are more related to Dragon Ball, but still, doesn't make any sense to me, I used to be extremely active in that sub-forum, and for me it just shows that Dubs & other media deserve their own separate sub-forums, I'm sure they would be very active.

Because creating such a sub-forum reinforces the narrative about people who enjoy dubs being "filthy casuals" that is often pedalled around (and sure, I get in many cases its a joke but its very cold in nature and rooted in a disdain for dubs). We also have to remember that the existence of dubs are what is keeping the Kai forum alive.

I also think any attempts to move dub discussions out of the General Franchise Discussion sub-forum will inevitably lead to confusion. Even if you want to consider a 'Dubs & Airings' sub-forum, it defeats the purpose of moving dub discussions away from the General Franchise Discussion forum to begin with, because some fans might not be interested in dubs but a rerun of Dragon Ball in Japan may be of interest as they are only interested in the Japanese version and how to see it.

You might say "but people don't watch TV nowadays, they stream". OK then, but by that logic what would you do to account for the modern equivalent for how fans of the Japanese version can access it? The only way I can think of is by renaming this new sub-forum to 'Dubs, Airings & Streaming', but then what about the vocal minority like myself and Vegetto95 who are physical media enthusiasts? Then you would need to add "Home Video" to what is quickly becoming a mouthful of a sub-forum name.

This is why 'General Franchise Discussion' simplifies everything by encompassing all four categories, which would probably be inactive as sub-forums on their own. Oh, and let's not forget "Merchandise", I don't have much interest in that but I never had a problem when Baggie Saiyan used to post about it in the 'General Franchise Discussion', nor was I discouraged from visiting the sub-forum.

You don't have any interest in one aspect of Dragon Ball's array of media forms? No problem, just don't visit those threads in 'General Franchise Discussion', make threads that interest you and likeminded fans will respond or maybe even join this forum or login after forever and post because they never thought someone else would have talked about it until a thread name that interested them popped up in a random Google search.

There's just so many niches when it comes to what we can talk about when it comes to Dragon Ball it just makes sense to have a 'General Franchise Discussion' to cover all bases. Animation is another one that we see the odd forum in 'General Franchise Discussion' about, Cure Dragon 255 made one, but that also would also be inactive if it had its own sub-forum, especially with people like Ajay not posting regularly.

If people are not interested in anything about Dragon Ball other than the show and the manga itself why would they have to feel discouraged from posting by reading a sub-forum that doesn't interest them in full or partly to begin with? Why not just visit the In-Universe sub-forum?

First of all, no, I take issue with this idea that making a sub-forum for Dub Discussion is either motivated by, or would help to reinforce, anti-Dub stigma.

The point about merchandise is well-taken. I would say that if the General Franchise Discussion had a dozen different threads about various form of Dragon Ball merch in the span of a few months, I might be making a suggestion about that as well. Or, rather, I might instead suggest my more immediate thought: a pinned "Mega Thread" to act as a hub for those discussions. Which is something I've thought about suggesting for dubs (and technical stuff), but I feel that wouldn't do justice to the topic of dubbing. There is a huge variety of different things to discuss there which would benefit from having different threads: a thread for each language's dub(s) being the most obvious one, but also different dubs within the same language, or dubs from various countries. But that brings me back to how many of those there are, usually with maybe a few pages of discussion before they die off or go dormant. I feel like having a dedicated sub-forum for discussion of dubs would be a fine compromise between the way they clutter the General Franchise Discussion, and just mashing them together in a "Mega Thread".

Regarding the dilemma of making a new sub-forum that covers Dubs as well as Home Releases and Airings: I'd say don't do that. I'm still just suggesting a new sub-forum for Dubs (or "Localized Dragon Ball", or something; could cover discussions of various translations of the manga, or subtitles for the anime, as well), and a new sub-forum for Technical Discussion. Much discussion of home releases and airings involves discussion of technical aspects and dubbing, respectively, anyway. And, also, as said before, the boundaries between sub-forums is already kinda fuzzy, so I don't think it'd be the end of the world if it's not clear where something should really go, or if it arguably fits better elsewhere.

And at the end of the day, yeah, if there's a discussion I don't care about, I don't have to read or participate in it. If there's a thread intended to house such a discussion, I can simply scroll past it. It's what I already do, and it's something I can easily continue to do. As I said in my opening post, it's not the end of the world if no splitting happens. But I think it would organize discussion better, something that I think is a continual work in progress for any discussion forum that exists for decades.

Finally:

As long as I've been here, occasional dub discussions and certainly tonnes of threads about the various home video releases and formats have been a staple of the General Franchise Discussion page. While I tend to just ignore topics that don't interest me, I fear that GenFraDis would be rendered barren without them. Although it's all the same site, the sub-forums attract different crowds who tend to stay in those lanes.

I'm not sure I agree with this. It might turn out to be true, but insofar as General Franchise Discussion is like a grab bag of leftovers, who knows what it might look like with certain topics being given their own space. What might fill that "power vacuum" so to speak. What sort of "lane" it shakes out to be. It could be interesting!

[Cure Dragon 255]

To be honest, if everyone else is happier separating the forums into this new way people want, it should be done. The dub and broadcast threads as they are only annoy and dont encourage any new posters. If this makes everyone happier so be it.

[Alruneia]

Here's a thought that sidesteps the subforum issue: Put all that stuff in one thread. I do respect Dragon Ball Ireland's dedication to documenting what's going on with Dragon Ball dubs and airings and so on worldwide, but in my opinion "DB airing in Poland" "DB on sale in Spain" "DB gets a rerun in Saudi-Arabia" etc etc etc posts don't really all need separate threads. They're all basically about the same thing, just in different locations. It can easily be collected into one thread called "International Dragon Ball releases and airings" or something like that. That would help reduce the "clutter" a bit.

[Dragon Ball Ireland]

Here's a thought that sidesteps the subforum issue: Put all that stuff in one thread. I do respect Dragon Ball Ireland's dedication to documenting what's going on with Dragon Ball dubs and airings and so on worldwide, but in my opinion "DB airing in Poland" "DB on sale in Spain" "DB gets a rerun in Saudi-Arabia" etc etc etc posts don't really all need separate threads. They're all basically about the same thing, just in different locations. It can easily be collected into one thread called "International Dragon Ball releases and airings" or something like that. That would help reduce the "clutter" a bit.

I thought about doing something like that, as I made threads about the entire classic anime trilogy coming to the Spanish streaming service Anime Box, as well as Broly and Super Hero coming to Netflix Japan that have got no responses. So perhaps an "Where to stream Dragon Ball" thread with a section for different countries or different streaming services and the territories they're streaming Dragon Ball in might be a better idea.

I guess also because Daima will be here before we know it everyone's attention is being turned to it rather than knowing where they can rewatch the series they've seen many times over. I'm also sure when it comes there will be a thread detailing when and where it was released, like we had for Super.

I've also recently took VegettoEX's recent words of wisdom (not to me, but some appearance he made) to make your own Dragon Ball website, so here it is.

Obviously it's a work in progress, but I'm hoping to document as many current releases of the series in any form - TV, VOD, home video as possible. Anyone can comment on it, and I welcome suggestions for anything someone sees that I could write an article on. I'd like it to become another great Dragon Ball site, like Kanzenshuu.

And thanks, I appreciate the compliment . I've learned a lot from Tian, Cure Dragon 255, wjbraden, sangofe, TheRed259 and other likeminded fans about all this too.