What would the general consensus be if Dragon Ball GT was announced today?

[dragonballhero]

Given the varying reactions to what we've seen of Dragon Ball Daima so far (Goku and co. getting magically de-aged, a big adventure taking place in outer space), I've been wondering... what do you all think the general reaction to Dragon Ball GT would be like if it was announced to be a thing in this day and age?

For the record, this would all be assuming that GT would still be the same series from 1996, just airing in the modern-day, YEARS after the end of Dragon Ball Z in January 1996 (Black Star Shenron would still magically de-age Goku via Emperor Pilaf's accidental wish, the hunt for the Black Star DBs would be the same, Baby would still be a thing, 'Bit by Bit, You're Charming My Heart' would be the OP, etc.).

[MasenkoHA]

Ugh they want to appeal to 90s nostalgia so bad they're even having the characters dress like it's the 90s

2000 Kanz threads and 3000 reddit post about how they messed up keeping Goku as the main character when it should have been Oob or Gohan



1500 "I wish Trunks acted more like badass Future Trunks' threads


Why hasn't Pan gone Super Saiyan.

GT is trying hard to pander to nostalgia. Black Star saga is just the original Hunt for The Dragon Balls INNNNN SPACE! Baby arc is just the Garlic Jr arc with characters getting possessed, Super 17 arc is a redux of Movie 12 and the Android arc and Shadow Dragon arc is just there to remind us of all the wishes throughout the series or something


Bonus: If Path to Ultimate Strength also came out today (it's basically a GT movie) we'd have fans complaining about Toriyama succumbing to the woke mob by redesigning Staff Officer Black and also discourse about if Sgt Metallic's redesign is racist or not.

[AliTheZombie13]

I mean, people hate it bad enough and it was released in the 90's.

[...]

EVERYTHING said above is already said by fans in regards to GT.
It would instead be said a million times worse today.

Also, back in the day, when we were ignorant children with no access to the Internet, we had no idea what the concept of "canon" was.
We didn't know Dragon Ball was being written by a certain specific person instead of a whole company and what that meant for the show.
It would get lambasted from the get-go for the simple fact Toriyama wasn't writing it (and no, I don't consider the reaction to Daima to mean anything, because a lot of Daima's initial hate reeked of "It's GT again, so it's gonna suck.")

You can also probably take other spin-off series about the new generation like Boruto and Yashahime and expect a similar reaction to those shows. I'm not a fan of Naruto and have never watched Boruto, but from what I can tell, the fandom hates Boruto. While Yashahime, I did watch and like, but the reaction from InuYasha's fandom seemed to be more "Well, that happened, moving on."

So, at worst, GT would be just as hated if not more, at best, it would be dismissed like it never existed.

[Dragon Ball Ireland]

Ugh they want to appeal to 90s nostalgia so bad they're even having the characters dress like it's the 90s

2000 Kanz threads and 3000 reddit post about how they messed up keeping Goku as the main character when it should have been Oob or Gohan



1500 "I wish Trunks acted more like badass Future Trunks' threads


Why hasn't Pan gone Super Saiyan.

GT is trying hard to pander to nostalgia. Black Star saga is just the original Hunt for The Dragon Balls INNNNN SPACE! Baby arc is just the Garlic Jr arc with characters getting possessed, Super 17 arc is a redux of Movie 12 and the Android arc and Shadow Dragon arc is just there to remind us of all the wishes throughout the series or something


Bonus: If Path to Ultimate Strength also came out today (it's basically a GT movie) we'd have fans complaining about Toriyama succumbing to the woke mob by redesigning Staff Officer Black and also discourse about if Sgt Metallic's redesign is racist or not.

All of that and we would see the reverse of "why are Pilaf and gang kids again" as they would age too fast in a relatively short space of time, assuming GT today was exactly the same as it was in 1996/97.

We can apply this to other revival era revisionisms, a million people would be asking why does Kaio-Sama/King Kai not have his planet anymore, everyone would be wondering where the hell are Beerus, Whis, Zeno, etc, why don't Goku and Vegeta use Super Saiyan Blue?

Even without the concept of canon GT would probably be trounced unless things took a slightly different path than in the 90s and TOEI tried to convince fans it was written by Toriyama, especially in light of his death a new series mostly independent of him would be seen as sitting on Toriyama's legacy.

People have said GT has undergone a Star Wars-prequels style re-evaluation with the hate being noticeably softened and defending it becoming more acceptable, but I think now that Toriyama's gone we could see the pendulum swing back around with the newer movies, Super and eventually Daima being pedestslized. Conversely, GT would be subject to a lot more concentrated internet vitriol without the "from the pen of the series original creator" narrative gimmick to defend it, which more recent content does have.

[SupremeKai25]

To complete the trifecta, someone should make a thread called:

"What would the general consensus be if Dragon Ball Super was announced in 1996?"

Oh what a fun thread it would be.

Anyway, the complaints would remain the same, with more added to it. For instance, people would complain that Gohan, Vegeta, and Piccolo are no longer relevant after Super Hero set them up as main characters alongside Goku.

Also, that creepy doll scene and all the creepy naked Kid Goku moments... Ew. Ew, Ew, Ew. What a weird and strange show GT is. Without Nostalgia clouding, these creepy moments would rightfully be mocked and criticized all over social media.

[Dragon Ball Ireland]

If Super was announced in 1996 a lot of complaints would remain the same, although without social media or the Internet being as big as it is today they wouldn't be as loud. I could also see people complaining about the arcs and big fights being too short and feeling like something was missing from them.

Also, that creepy doll scene and all the creepy naked Kid Goku moments... Ew. Ew, Ew, Ew. What a weird and strange show GT is. Without Nostalgia clouding, these creepy moments would rightfully be mocked and criticized all over social media.

If they would even be allowed do that if GT were made today, although since the OP is asking about a hypothetical where everything about GT is the same, we'll just say for arguments sake it would still be there. Assuming it was I'd agree completely with you.

[JulieYBM]

There would be copious amounts of laughing at the scene where Trunks pretends to be a woman, and then other weird transphobic comments when it is revealed that Ryuu Shen Long has an ugly and masculine form.

[Tian]

For the record, this would all be assuming that GT would still be the same series from 1996, just airing in the modern-day, YEARS after the end of Dragon Ball Z in January 1996 (Black Star Shenron would still magically de-age Goku via Emperor Pilaf's accidental wish, the hunt for the Black Star DBs would be the same, Baby would still be a thing, 'Bit by Bit, You're Charming My Heart' would be the OP, etc.).

Well, considering it would be the same plot and writing as the 90s, no doubt it's gonna be more bashed than it already is.

People would likely be spamming "They ran out of ideas" or "This is no Dragon Ball" in social media.

[Jord]

To complete the trifecta, someone should make a thread called:

"What would the general consensus be if Dragon Ball Super was announced in 1996?"

Oh what a fun thread it would be.

Anyway, the complaints would remain the same, with more added to it. For instance, people would complain that Gohan, Vegeta, and Piccolo are no longer relevant after Super Hero set them up as main characters alongside Goku.

Also, that creepy doll scene and all the creepy naked Kid Goku moments... Ew. Ew, Ew, Ew. What a weird and strange show GT is. Without Nostalgia clouding, these creepy moments would rightfully be mocked and criticized all over social media.

I'd rather see the GT villain having creepy sexual tendancies than the pedophilic "relationship" between present Mai, a 40+ year woman and Kid Trunks being presented as "cute" in Super.
Heck, Mai is old enough to be his mother. Disgusting.

"But she got turned back into a child!!!!"
Yeah and every wish in DB where a character became younger showed that they retained their mental age/capacity, like with King Piccolo and Goku in GT.
Something we also see in the way the Pilaf gang acts.

[AliTheZombie13]

I'd rather see the GT villain having creepy sexual tendancies than the pedophilic "relationship" between present Mai, a 40+ year woman and Kid Trunks being presented as "cute" in Super.
Heck, Mai is old enough to be his mother. Disgusting.

"But she got turned back into a child!!!!"
Yeah and every wish in DB where a character became younger showed that they retained their mental age/capacity, like with King Piccolo and Goku in GT.
Something we also see in the way the Pilaf gang acts.

How about we have neither?
Also, it isn't just the villain doing creepy pedophilic shit with Pan and the animators having fun Kid Goku's naked body, there's a lot of creepy shots focusing on Pan. She twerks the camera at one point, she rubs herself suggestively over a robot, she gets a baby deer onto her, she shoves keys into her shirt and makes a creepy suggestive face to Trunks and like... what the hell was the point of all of that?! At least Bulma's shenanigans had plot relevance, but this shit with Pan just happens for no reason.

[Cure Dragon 255]

I'd rather see the GT villain having creepy sexual tendancies than the pedophilic "relationship" between present Mai, a 40+ year woman and Kid Trunks being presented as "cute" in Super.
Heck, Mai is old enough to be his mother. Disgusting.

"But she got turned back into a child!!!!"
Yeah and every wish in DB where a character became younger showed that they retained their mental age/capacity, like with King Piccolo and Goku in GT.
Something we also see in the way the Pilaf gang acts.

How about we have neither?
Also, it isn't just the villain doing creepy pedophilic shit with Pan and the animators having fun Kid Goku's naked body, there's a lot of creepy shots focusing on Pan. She twerks the camera at one point, she rubs herself suggestively over a robot, she gets a baby deer onto her, she shoves keys into her shirt and makes a creepy suggestive face to Trunks and like... what the hell was the point of all of that?!

Oh god. OH. GOD. And here I thought the Ojamajo Doremi scene where an Elemantary School Girl wears a Playboy Bunny outfit was the worst Toei thing ever.

[MasenkoHA]

It's been a hot minute since I've seen GT but I'm going to safely say the naked Goku stuff isn't any different than what happened in original Dragon Ball. "Lol this little bumpkin has no sense of modesty" you're not supposed to be titillated by Goku's naked body. It's just treated as a matter of fact.

The Pan stuff is inexcusable though. She's 9. All the overt sexualization is gross. Even under the pretense it's for the target audience of prepubescent boys it's still yuck.

[JulieYBM]

I'd rather see the GT villain having creepy sexual tendancies than the pedophilic "relationship" between present Mai, a 40+ year woman and Kid Trunks being presented as "cute" in Super.
Heck, Mai is old enough to be his mother. Disgusting.

"But she got turned back into a child!!!!"
Yeah and every wish in DB where a character became younger showed that they retained their mental age/capacity, like with King Piccolo and Goku in GT.
Something we also see in the way the Pilaf gang acts.

How about we have neither?
Also, it isn't just the villain doing creepy pedophilic shit with Pan and the animators having fun Kid Goku's naked body, there's a lot of creepy shots focusing on Pan. She twerks the camera at one point, she rubs herself suggestively over a robot, she gets a baby deer onto her, she shoves keys into her shirt and makes a creepy suggestive face to Trunks and like... what the hell was the point of all of that?! At least Bulma's shenanigans had plot relevance, but this shit with Pan just happens for no reason.

Wow, I have blocked a lot out since I last did a full re-watch of Dragon Ball GT.

Time to go vomit.

[Cure Dragon 255]

It's been a hot minute since I've seen GT but I'm going to safely say the naked Goku stuff isn't any different than what happened in original Dragon Ball. "Lol this little bumpkin has no sense of modesty" you're not supposed to be titillated by Goku's naked body. It's just treated as a matter of fact.

The Pan stuff is inexcusable though. She's 9. All the overt sexualization is gross. Even under the pretense it's for the target audience of prepubescent boys it's still yuck.

GT is like Funimation in many ways, especially that when you want to give a slack or praise it, it then proves to be even worse.

[AliTheZombie13]

GT is like Funimation in many ways, especially that when you want to give a slack or praise it, it then proves to be even worse.

It's easier when you consider GT, unlike Dragon Ball, was the result of multiple people involved in making it.
Series' composer Aya Matsui probably (HOPEFULLY) wrote most the actual story and the creepy-ass Pan shit came from one of the male higher-ups/writers. Or at least, that's what I hope.

[Cure Dragon 255]

GT is like Funimation in many ways, especially that when you want to give a slack or praise it, it then proves to be even worse.

It's easier when you consider GT, unlike Dragon Ball, was the result of multiple people involved in making it.
Series' composer Aya Matsui probably (HOPEFULLY) wrote most the actual story and the creepy-ass Pan shit came from one of the male higher-ups/writers. Or at least, that's what I hope.

Lets be honest, Aya Matsui was fired because EW WIMMIN. And then Atsushi Maekawa in a show of male awfulness that I hope he grew off by now, added the creepy shit. But dont worry, he improved and did Fresh Precure and Turning Mecard which leaves his mortifying misogyny...HOPEFULLY.

[90sDBZ]

Reactions would be mixed for sure.

If we assume Super had still happened, then people would likely consider GT Goku a return to form for the character, i.e. not a comedic caricature, and much closer to the character from DB/Z.

[AliTheZombie13]

If I have to be dead honest, Goku in Z was already getting on my nerves, to the point I joked with my friends before starting GT:

"Listen, if this dumb motherfucker doesn't go 'Well, I could end the threat right now... But I won't, because I'm a Saiyan!" once in this entire show, then I will unironically declare GT better than Z."

I assume watching Super first would've only intensified that feeling.
Imagine my happiness when I saw him declaring in GT that spending time with his family was more important than fighting.
Anti-Toriyama? Yes, I don't give a shit. GT Goku all the way, baby.

[Cure Dragon 255]

If I have to be dead honest, Goku in Z was already getting on my nerves, to the point I joked with my friends before starting GT:

"Listen, if this dumb motherfucker doesn't go 'Well, I could end the threat right now... But I won't, because I'm a Saiyan!" once in this entire show, then I will unironically declare GT better than Z."

Imagine my happiness when I saw him declaring in GT that spending time with his family was more important than fighting.
Anti-Toriyama? Yes, I don't give a shit. GT Goku all the way, baby.

Oh god. Only in Dragon Ball you have to choose between two equally terrible choices. Either Goku is a sociopathic asshole or a decent character in an otherwise extremely awful misogynistic show. Only in Dragon Ball.

[JulieYBM]

GT is like Funimation in many ways, especially that when you want to give a slack or praise it, it then proves to be even worse.

It's easier when you consider GT, unlike Dragon Ball, was the result of multiple people involved in making it.
Series' composer Aya Matsui probably (HOPEFULLY) wrote most the actual story and the creepy-ass Pan shit came from one of the male higher-ups/writers. Or at least, that's what I hope.

I assume the creepy shit was added by the specific episode writers in charge of each episode. I believe that it was Morishita Kouzou who said in an interview that when the series was first being conceptualized they came up with a half year's worth of stories to do first, and I would assume that that was basically amounting to "Matsui will oversee the writers, but let them do whatever they want." Like, Morishita seemed like a pretty misogynistic producer, so I really wouldn't be surprised if Matsui basically didn't have any say in nixing the lolicon bullshit that the male writers wanted to toss into there. Matsui only wrote Episodes #1-3, #7-10, #13, #16 and #21-22 herself before taking maternity leave, so my guess is that and of the grosser material was devised by the male writers or on orders from Series Director Kasai Osamu.

This does, unfortunately, mean that Matsui wrote that exhausting trans panic episode, though.