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AI generated footage of Masako Nozawa on kuaishou

Post by tinlunlau » Wed Jul 03, 2024 3:03 am

Found this out of the blue and thought I'd share it here. Shows Masako Nozawa speaking Mandarin followed by a Kamehameha. Obviously, Nozawa can't speak Mandarin and that is AI generated with her mouth flaps matching the Chinese here.

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Post by Dragon Ball Ireland » Wed Jul 03, 2024 6:44 am

That's really neat, I don't have a clip on hand for the mainland Chinese dub but from what I have seen and heard it seems to follow in the Japanese version's footsteps. Its one of the few international dubs (the Macedonian dub being another) that not only has adult Goku voiced by a woman but also for said woman to also play him as a child (Liu Yi plays him from episodes 79-153), so it would be interesting to see how much Yi sounds like Nozawa at that point.
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Post by sangofe » Wed Jul 03, 2024 12:27 pm

Honestly it's scary ai can do this. Not neat at all.

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Post by AliTheZombie13 » Wed Jul 03, 2024 12:30 pm

Am I the only one who sees a problem with stealing a person's voice to robotically emulate something they didn't say?
Because that sounds like a very scary thing.
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Post by JulieYBM » Wed Jul 03, 2024 12:38 pm

AliTheZombie13 wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2024 12:30 pm Am I the only one who sees a problem with stealing a person's voice to robotically emulate something they didn't say?
Because that sounds like a very scary thing.
I'd like to add that I agree and AI is bad. This kind of behavior is fucked up and we need to stop glorifying it.
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JulieYBM wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2024 12:38 pm
AliTheZombie13 wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2024 12:30 pm Am I the only one who sees a problem with stealing a person's voice to robotically emulate something they didn't say?
Because that sounds like a very scary thing.
I'd like to add that I agree and AI is bad. This kind of behavior is fucked up and we need to stop glorifying it.
Surely I am not the only one who was freaked out by all the AI-generated art/videos for Toriyama's death?

If you really wanted to honour an artist, surely you should put some effort into it, instead of writing one line of code and getting a whole wallpaper in 3 seconds?
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Post by Dragon Ball Ireland » Wed Jul 03, 2024 1:12 pm

I guess as long as its not-for-profit, if there was a monetary expectation then it would probably be best to seek approval from the artist in question.

Masako Nozawa is such a sweetheart I'd say she would find this flattering, but of course if it presented her, or anyone in a bad light, saying something they would never say, etc I'd vehemently oppose it.

I worry about what the future holds with AI too, but at the same time there's only so much we can do to fight it as the practice will inevitably grow over time.
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Post by Tian » Wed Jul 03, 2024 1:14 pm

JulieYBM wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2024 12:38 pm
AliTheZombie13 wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2024 12:30 pm Am I the only one who sees a problem with stealing a person's voice to robotically emulate something they didn't say?
Because that sounds like a very scary thing.
I'd like to add that I agree and AI is bad. This kind of behavior is fucked up and we need to stop glorifying it.
Make that three. This AI thing is getting way out of control.

Recently, there was this controversy about Amazon Prime Video LatAm uploading K-Dramas "dubbed" entirely with AI.

And currently, there are several dubbing industries around the world like Brazil and France, which are protesting and negotiating with studios to not use AI.
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Post by MasenkoHA » Wed Jul 03, 2024 1:19 pm

JulieYBM wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2024 12:38 pm
AliTheZombie13 wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2024 12:30 pm Am I the only one who sees a problem with stealing a person's voice to robotically emulate something they didn't say?
Because that sounds like a very scary thing.
I'd like to add that I agree and AI is bad. This kind of behavior is fucked up and we need to stop glorifying it.
More so because companies like Disney are already showing they don't care how ugly and fake it looks and sounds they'll use it to save some bucks.

The masses using AI art on social media like it's not the biggest fucking eyesore doesn't help.

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Post by Tian » Wed Jul 03, 2024 1:26 pm

MasenkoHA wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2024 1:19 pm The masses using AI art on social media like it's not the biggest fucking eyesore doesn't help.
Yeah, now it's become more difficult to find profiles of artists with distinct and unique art style because of this.

That sucks.
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Post by JulieYBM » Wed Jul 03, 2024 1:29 pm

MasenkoHA wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2024 1:19 pm
JulieYBM wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2024 12:38 pm
AliTheZombie13 wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2024 12:30 pm Am I the only one who sees a problem with stealing a person's voice to robotically emulate something they didn't say?
Because that sounds like a very scary thing.
I'd like to add that I agree and AI is bad. This kind of behavior is fucked up and we need to stop glorifying it.
More so because companies like Disney are already showing they don't care how ugly and fake it looks and sounds they'll use it to save some bucks.

The masses using AI art on social media like it's not the biggest fucking eyesore doesn't help.
While I agree that it's all bad looking and sounding, it's dangerous technology on its own to try and develop, and is also dangerous to try and create a society that accepts such a thing as normal. Furthermore, from my perspective as a writer myself, and someone who enjoys reading/viewing/listening to various art forms, I find it insulting. AI is not some sentient being like Commander Data from Star Trek: The Next Generation or The Doctor from Star Trek: Voyager, AI isn't a person that we're all communicating with and experiencing their thoughts and feelings. AI is mindless, heartless and completely devoid of merit. As sentient beings, we all create art as an expression of ourselves. We experience a work of art to reflect back on ourselves and how we see the world through our shared experiences and our differing experiences.

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Post by TechExpert2021 » Wed Jul 03, 2024 1:32 pm

Tian wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2024 1:14 pm
JulieYBM wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2024 12:38 pm
AliTheZombie13 wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2024 12:30 pm Am I the only one who sees a problem with stealing a person's voice to robotically emulate something they didn't say?
Because that sounds like a very scary thing.
I'd like to add that I agree and AI is bad. This kind of behavior is fucked up and we need to stop glorifying it.
Make that three. This AI thing is getting way out of control.

Recently, there was this controversy about Amazon Prime Video LatAm uploading K-Dramas "dubbed" entirely with AI.

And currently, there are several dubbing industries around the world like Brazil and France, which are protesting and negotiating with studios to not use AI.
That's why I'm heavily against generative AI.

I may be wrong, but Crunchyroll was already doing AI-translated English subtitles for their anime. But what if they start dubbing anime using AI?
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Post by sangofe » Wed Jul 03, 2024 2:23 pm

TechExpert2021 wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2024 1:32 pm
Tian wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2024 1:14 pm
JulieYBM wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2024 12:38 pm

I'd like to add that I agree and AI is bad. This kind of behavior is fucked up and we need to stop glorifying it.
Make that three. This AI thing is getting way out of control.

Recently, there was this controversy about Amazon Prime Video LatAm uploading K-Dramas "dubbed" entirely with AI.

And currently, there are several dubbing industries around the world like Brazil and France, which are protesting and negotiating with studios to not use AI.
That's why I'm heavily against generative AI.

I may be wrong, but Crunchyroll was already doing AI-translated English subtitles for their anime. But what if they start dubbing anime using AI?
On what projects did Cr use ai subs?

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Post by MasenkoHA » Wed Jul 03, 2024 2:30 pm

sangofe wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2024 2:23 pm
TechExpert2021 wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2024 1:32 pm
Tian wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2024 1:14 pm

Make that three. This AI thing is getting way out of control.

Recently, there was this controversy about Amazon Prime Video LatAm uploading K-Dramas "dubbed" entirely with AI.

And currently, there are several dubbing industries around the world like Brazil and France, which are protesting and negotiating with studios to not use AI.
That's why I'm heavily against generative AI.

I may be wrong, but Crunchyroll was already doing AI-translated English subtitles for their anime. But what if they start dubbing anime using AI?
On what projects did Cr use ai subs?
I believe they said they were looking into it, but haven't done it yet.

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Post by Dragon Ball Ireland » Wed Jul 03, 2024 2:47 pm

I could see AI subs coming before AI dubs, I know everyone says companies are going to rely on it as a cost cutting measure but the latter at least requires the work of audio engineers in addition to the actors themselves. I definitely see the concern for the Future of subbing anime.

On one hand I'd say maybe AI could be used to compliment artist's work because humans are better at the finer details, although for subbing that would potentially take the art of translation out of it even before the writer begins to edit the lines to their liking.
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Post by tinlunlau » Wed Jul 03, 2024 6:35 pm

I seem to recall the producer of the new Garfield movie mention of plans to use AI in all future dubs in various different languages. We do not need Chris Pratt speaking as Garfield in various languages.
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Post by JulieYBM » Wed Jul 03, 2024 6:41 pm

Producers and commercial interests will always hate artists.
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Post by Dragon Ball Ireland » Wed Jul 03, 2024 8:12 pm

JulieYBM wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2024 6:41 pm Producers and commercial interests will always hate artists.
Not always. There are producers who oversee the entire creative process of any given production, like Ocean Studios' Diana Gage. They are lower on the food chain than the higher-ups who may often be credited under the term "Executive Producer".

By all accounts for the Ocean Kai dub it was the producers who were pushing more faithful terms and pronunciations. The ADR director Karl Willems wanted what was more familiar to fans, like the iconic saiyan pronunciation and "Over 9,000" instead of "Over 8,000".

Luckily Ken Morrison who handles Ocean's finances and was once known for cheapening out, as he did when he ordered GT to be moved to Calgary rather than Vancouver seemed to have settled on a happy medium for Kai as that dub used both the former cast (who could be paid less) and the latter so the need to keep costs low was less of a detriment to the final product.

Of course, we have yet to see this dub to judge it as a whole, but while corporate greed can get in the way of good art even businessmen and women can have a change-of-heart. Till the day we see Ocean Kai it will remain promising that unlike GT and original Dragon Ball the need to pay less on the cast was at least not as severe as it was in 2003.
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Post by sangofe » Thu Jul 04, 2024 1:10 am

Dragon Ball Ireland wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2024 2:47 pm I could see AI subs coming before AI dubs, I know everyone says companies are going to rely on it as a cost cutting measure but the latter at least requires the work of audio engineers in addition to the actors themselves. I definitely see the concern for the Future of subbing anime.

On one hand I'd say maybe AI could be used to compliment artist's work because humans are better at the finer details, although for subbing that would potentially take the art of translation out of it even before the writer begins to edit the lines to their liking.
I have no faith in ai subs. Translation is very often contextional. And you've got slang, manners characters speak. How would an ai get those nuances?

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Post by BootyCheeksJohnson » Thu Jul 04, 2024 2:31 am

That was creepy. Partly because AI still hasn't gotten past that robotic/computerized sound, and even more so because it made Nozawa into a meat puppet.
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