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List of canon DB villains by how evil they are.

Post by Android1326 » Fri Aug 09, 2024 2:04 pm

Genociders & Torturers / Enslavers
1. King Piccolo - was gonna slowly kill all humans within 43 years for fun and released all criminals.
2. Future Android 17 / 18 - Spent 20 years just torturing and killing humans for fun.
3. Frieza and King Cold - Genocides planets for profit and enslaves species like Saiyans and probably others
Universal Genociders
4. Cell and Super Buu - Wanted to end the universe for fun
5. Kid Buu and Cell MAX - Mindless monsters that want to murder all life for no reason
6. Zamasu - wanted to kill all mortals for what he thinks is good reason
Planetary Genociders
7. Freeza's minions Vegeta, Raditz, Nappa, Dodoria, Cui, Zarbon, Ginyu Force - Genocides planets for profit.
8. The Heeters - Profits off the genocides of planets
9. Moro - genocides planets for food
Mass Murderers for Gain
10. Babidi - Murdered cities for revenge. Enslaves / Mind controls a few people.
11. Dr. Gero and Android 19 - wants to revive red ribbon army and rule the world. killed tons of humans in a city for no reason
12. Piccolo Jr - Wanted to rule the world and willing to murder for it. Probably wanted to be an evil leader like his dad.
13. Frost - Created wars which killed tons of people in order to gain power and land in the aftermath
Will do a few murders for Widespread Power
14. Emperor Pilaf - Wanted to rule the world and willing to murder for it.
15. Red Ribbon Army and Rabbit Gang - Just gangs. Willing to kill for money and power.
Will do a few murders for smallscale Personal Gain
16. Mercenary Tao - Kills a few people for profit.
17. Magenta - wanted to revive red ribbon army, willing to murder and kidnap for it
18. Yamcha and Puar - Wanted to steal money, willing to kill for it
Wants to Murder 1 single person
19. Broly - Willing to murder at his dads whim
20. Modern Androids 16 / 17 / 18 - Wants to kill Goku due to programming
21. Paragus - Wants to kill Vegeta for reasons out Vegetas control. Killed Beetz to preserve food.
Non-Murderers
22. Tien - Just wanted to obey his teacher. All he did was break Yamchas legs which was part of the rules of the tournament.
23. Oolong - Tricks and scares people to get money and women
No responsability for their actions
24. Fat Buu - Brain of a toddler, just does what he was taught, didn't know it was evil.
25. Dabura, Yakon, Pui Pui, Spopovich, Yamu - are mind controlled by Babidi, have no control of themselves.

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Re: List of canon DB villains by how evil they are.

Post by Yuji » Fri Aug 09, 2024 2:34 pm

I wouldn't place the future androids that high considering the present versions showed humanity so easily. They definitely have the possibility to change, they were just molded by two decades of reinforcing evil actions. They're fundamentally the same personality-wise as the present versions so I wouldn't say they're more evil than the likes of Freeza. Just cold, unfeeling, wanting to feel something, not actively delighting in evil specifically.

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Post by Koitsukai » Fri Aug 09, 2024 3:11 pm

Moro should be higher on the list, the Heeters were NOT more evil than he was.

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Post by Grimlock » Sat Aug 10, 2024 6:41 am

1. Zeno - Erases anyone and everyone on a whim.

2. Mira - Destroyed Namekusei, although all Namekuseijins survived. So he didn't kill anyone.

3. Mechikabura - Wants to become Kaioshin of Time. He's doesn't have good intentions, so nothing good would come out of it.

4. Hearts - Wants to give free will to the mortals by getting rid of Zeno. So he isn't an actual villain, despite the saga treating him as such. He's more like a savior.

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Post by Hellspawn28 » Sat Aug 10, 2024 2:51 pm

Dabra was already evil before he was taken over by Babidi.
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Post by SupremeKai25 » Tue Aug 13, 2024 10:14 am

There should be a special tier for Zamasu. Bro took over 1 year to kill all humans because he wanted them to suffer, because that brought him joy. At least Majin Buu made it rather quick and was done in 5 minutes, Zamasu took over one year, intentionally. (that's what's so terrifying)

He lost a sparring match so he decided to steal Goku's body, kill him and his family, then commit genocide by using Goku's body, tarnishing his reputation forever. All because he lost a sparring match and his self-inflated ego couldn't take it.

The DBZ villains look like little kids compared to Zamasu. :lol:
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Post by Godo » Fri Aug 16, 2024 9:19 am

Are Cell, the androids and also Buu truly evil, as they were created/programmed to be that way?

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Post by GreatSaiyaman123 » Fri Aug 16, 2024 1:55 pm

I like the idea of putting them in tiers, but I disagree with a lot of the actual ranking. First off - destroying entire planets is infinitely more evil than torturing one. Second, I think rational characters who choose to be evil are worse than irrational monsters who are incapable of good feelings.

I wanted to include Beerus, but he's more of a force of a nature. Still, he's lazy, petty and got the 3rd highest kill count in the series (1st and 2nd are Zeno and Zamasu). I'm not gonna say he's a good person. Probably bottom of top tier?
Yuji wrote: Fri Aug 09, 2024 2:34 pm I wouldn't place the future androids that high considering the present versions showed humanity so easily. They definitely have the possibility to change, they were just molded by two decades of reinforcing evil actions. They're fundamentally the same personality-wise as the present versions so I wouldn't say they're more evil than the likes of Freeza. Just cold, unfeeling, wanting to feel something, not actively delighting in evil specifically.
Apparently the twins killed the Z Fighters on their first encounter, so there is a difference somehow. I imagine they either snapped when they found out Goku was already dead or Future Gero did something that makes them more irritable.

Besides, people change with time. Vegeta isn't the same guy from the Saiyan Saga.
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Post by nickzambuto » Sun Aug 18, 2024 9:56 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote: Sat Aug 10, 2024 2:51 pm Dabra was already evil before he was taken over by Babidi.
Hey, we don't know that for sure. Give the man a chance! He seems nice!

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Post by Hellspawn28 » Sun Sep 08, 2024 12:18 am

I doubt he was ever good to begin with.
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Post by JulieYBM » Sun Sep 08, 2024 11:38 am

Darbra was doing birthday parties as a clown back in 1991, actually. Very nice guy! Unfortunately, there was an unfortunate incident where someone called his trans girlfriend a slur and after that he decided to return to his evil ways.

It's a terrible shame, really.


Anyway, I think the most evil bad guy is definitely Freeza. He fried a kid to death on page! lol
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Post by Makaioshin » Sun Sep 08, 2024 12:27 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote: Sun Sep 08, 2024 12:18 am I doubt he was ever good to begin with.
We do know that he would have enjoyed the teddy bear concert in Earth' Hell because Enma didn't want to send him there...

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Post by GokuHater » Mon Sep 09, 2024 7:19 am

I feel the most evil guys in DB are the ones which are not programmed or raised to be evil but nevertheless do unspeakable things. The ones who have a choice.

And the first who comes to my mind is Zamasu. He was never raised to be evil, quite the contrary. Yet he is a twisted, egoistical, sadistical son of a... who does what he wants with a smile. Remember the scene in which he killed ChiChi and Goten. He was smiling while doing this which means he enjoyed killing and tormenting them.
If he only believed in his Zero Mortal Plan, he could easily destroy every mortal without emotion but his actions clearly show he is a sadist who enjoys pain of others (to a point one must question if he really believed in his philosophy or just wanted to destroy stuff) :p

Number 2 I guess are the Androids. They are shown to be very human in our time but in the future they masacre and murder living beings for fun and just because ... They're bored?

While Vegeta, Frieza, Buu, Piccolo Daimao all do evil stuff, in the option of first two they are completely raised to be monsters and nothing else while Buu and Piccolo are basically evil themselves :p

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Post by Lukmendes » Tue Sep 10, 2024 1:00 am

Grimlock wrote: Sat Aug 10, 2024 6:41 am 4. Hearts - Wants to give free will to the mortals by getting rid of Zeno. So he isn't an actual villain, despite the saga treating him as such. He's more like a savior.
He wanted to use the universal seed on the current existing universes, which would kill everyone. When this is pointed out to him, his reaction is basically "Lol yeah".

Even if his intentions are good, the way he goes about it is still bad.
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Post by Android1326 » Wed Sep 11, 2024 12:22 pm

Theres no evidence that Dabura was evil or did anything evil before being mind controlled. He's as strong as Cell but never conquered or terrorized the universe like Frieza.

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Post by MisteryOne » Fri Sep 20, 2024 8:09 pm

Using tiers is interesting, but I really don't agree with the original post at all.

Frieza is probably the most evil one. Zamasu has tons of interesting readings, but as someone who started with a pure heart, I can buy he could eventually get back into the right path- hell this is DB, Vegeta got redeemed on Porunga's eyes (and most of the fandom for some reason)

Seeing the Dabura talk makes me wonder...imagine if in Daima it's revealed that he was a very nice guy and that's why he was hated by demons.
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Grimlock wrote: Sat Aug 10, 2024 6:41 am 4. Hearts - Wants to give free will to the mortals by getting rid of Zeno. So he isn't an actual villain, despite the saga treating him as such. He's more like a savior.
He wanted to use the universal seed on the current existing universes, which would kill everyone. When this is pointed out to him, his reaction is basically "Lol yeah".

Even if his intentions are good, the way he goes about it is still bad
That...wasn't going to happen at all. They just needed energy from other universes, which they got by fighting the strongest mortals. You seem to be mixing up the Universe Seed and the Universe Tree itself.
Hearts is probably the best villain in the franchise on the basis that he barely qualifies as a villain- had he not targeted Sadala specifically, did the heroes even have any reasons to confront his group? Zeno is not suit as a ruler and the godly pantheon is indeed a mess as proved by the Zamasu arc.
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Post by Lukmendes » Sat Sep 21, 2024 12:19 am

MisteryOne wrote: Fri Sep 20, 2024 8:09 pm That...wasn't going to happen at all. They just needed energy from other universes, which they got by fighting the strongest mortals. You seem to be mixing up the Universe Seed and the Universe Tree itself.
Yeah I did, my bad.
Hearts is probably the best villain in the franchise on the basis that he barely qualifies as a villain- had he not targeted Sadala specifically, did the heroes even have any reasons to confront his group? Zeno is not suit as a ruler and the godly pantheon is indeed a mess as proved by the Zamasu arc.
I mean just the fact that he attacked Sadala indiscriminately at all making it look like a war zone, and later on attacked Pride Troopers already showed he was a jackass, and then in both anime and manga he tried to destroy Earth, and while I don't know the reason he may have tried it in the game, in both anime and manga it's for pretty pety reasons (In manga it's because he thought of humanity as sheep who don't even realize they're slaves and thought killing them would free them, and in the anime he simply was okay with destroying Earth as colateral when fighting Gogeta).

So yeah, wouldn't say he barely qualifies as a villain, he's just a villain with a good point (Even Zeno aside, the gods of destruction are basically like incompetent upper management of a company overall, and despite Angels basically answering directly to Grand Priest, they take on a really passive role and don't even bother trying to steer gods of destruction in a more productive path unless they destroy what they really shouldn't), but is still a villain since he tries to kill off people who get in his way.

Would honestly be more interesting if he really was a more grey character, but between his actions and the way he happily admits he's a hypocrite, even if he did manage to kill Zeno he would at best be a lesser evil by comparison. But yeah, DB is a very simplistic franchise so a grey villain is unlikely to ever be added, both him and Zamasu are the best we can get, and Hearts is a massive hypocrite and Zamasu is little more than a genocider.
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Post by SupremeKai25 » Sat Sep 21, 2024 3:54 am

Well, keep this in mind, Zamasu was a Kaioshin. The Kaioshin are supposed to be deities of creation and life, and they have often been presented as kind and benevolent, if a bit lazy and naive.

So to have a Kaioshin commit universal genocide, such acts of cruelty and massacre, well, it certainly makes for a scary villain.

Who's scarier? A machine that was created to kill people? Or a guy whose job was about helping people, who intentionally chose to kill people instead?

To me, Zamasu is scarier than all the DBZ villains combined and it's not even close. That kind of hatred and malice you would expect it from an android or a fat gum monster, not a Kaioshin.
At his core Zamasu is good like Shin, though I guess you could say he was so fastidious that it backfired. But you know, for this "Future Trunks Arc" you had to depict Zamasu and Trunks' inner conflict, right? If this was back when I was drawing the manga myself then I doubt if I could have done it. I mean, I'm not very good at depicting the characters' psychology on the page. So this all came together because now I only have to think up the story. [...] On my own, I doubt I would have been able to express Zamasu's fall to the dark side.
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Post by MisteryOne » Sat Sep 21, 2024 11:47 am

Lukmendes wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 12:19 am
MisteryOne wrote: Fri Sep 20, 2024 8:09 pm That...wasn't going to happen at all. They just needed energy from other universes, which they got by fighting the strongest mortals. You seem to be mixing up the Universe Seed and the Universe Tree itself.
Yeah I did, my bad.
Hearts is probably the best villain in the franchise on the basis that he barely qualifies as a villain- had he not targeted Sadala specifically, did the heroes even have any reasons to confront his group? Zeno is not suit as a ruler and the godly pantheon is indeed a mess as proved by the Zamasu arc.
I mean just the fact that he attacked Sadala indiscriminately at all making it look like a war zone, and later on attacked Pride Troopers already showed he was a jackass, and then in both anime and manga he tried to destroy Earth, and while I don't know the reason he may have tried it in the game, in both anime and manga it's for pretty pety reasons (In manga it's because he thought of humanity as sheep who don't even realize they're slaves and thought killing them would free them, and in the anime he simply was okay with destroying Earth as colateral when fighting Gogeta).

So yeah, wouldn't say he barely qualifies as a villain, he's just a villain with a good point (Even Zeno aside, the gods of destruction are basically like incompetent upper management of a company overall, and despite Angels basically answering directly to Grand Priest, they take on a really passive role and don't even bother trying to steer gods of destruction in a more productive path unless they destroy what they really shouldn't), but is still a villain since he tries to kill off people who get in his way.

Would honestly be more interesting if he really was a more grey character, but between his actions and the way he happily admits he's a hypocrite, even if he did manage to kill Zeno he would at best be a lesser evil by comparison. But yeah, DB is a very simplistic franchise so a grey villain is unlikely to ever be added, both him and Zamasu are the best we can get, and Hearts is a massive hypocrite and Zamasu is little more than a genocider.
You seem way too keen of him admitting he is an hypocrite tho, while that'a a point that is only evee said in the promotional anime. In the game he doesn't even attack Sadala directly, not does it look like a war zone- the twins take over the Saiyans there to gather energh for the Seed. Similarly, the only reason he ever attacks the Pride Troopers is because he learned Jiren was the strongest mortal according to Hit, and once he had battled him, he just moved to Universe 3, not even caring abour the result of said battle which was inconclusive. He didn't attack Universe 11 randomly, and even stops Cumber feom causing unnecesary damage (Toppo and Dyspo are nor even truly defeated in the game as Jiren arrives before that and takes on almost everyone at once). He was literally just gathering energy, and once the heroes tried to stop him, fight them. He literally asks Gogeta to join him in defeating Zeno and only ever killed Zamasu because of his hatred of gods. He never killed indiscriminately like you suggest. Frankly, I don't even understand what the point of the hypocrite thing in the anime is- what he does doesn't go against his hatred of the gods or Zeno, not is he doing anything of what they do.

I need to ask again, had he not attacked Sadala, would the heroes be even be opposing him? That's the sole reason Vegeta goes to Universe 6 and meets him. That should say everything about whatever he is a real villain or not. I'm not saying he was well handled at all- in fact, I would argue it's exactly the opposite because I'm left even wondering why the group is facing him other than to preserve the current godly system which they are not even part of, or because Goku is friends with Zeno which doesn't exactly make them look good.
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Post by Lukmendes » Sat Sep 21, 2024 4:11 pm

MisteryOne wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 11:47 am You seem way too keen of him admitting he is an hypocrite tho, while that'a a point that is only evee said in the promotional anime.
I only mentioned that part once, even if he doesn't admit he's a hypocrite in other versions, he's still one.
In the game he doesn't even attack Sadala directly, not does it look like a war zone- the twins take over the Saiyans there to gather energh for the Seed.
He doesn't attack it directly in any adaptation, but he's their superior and doesn't care about they do. Much like Vegeta is responsible for Nappa's actions back in saiyan saga.
Similarly, the only reason he ever attacks the Pride Troopers is because he learned Jiren was the strongest mortal according to Hit, and once he had battled him, he just moved to Universe 3, not even caring abour the result of said battle which was inconclusive. He didn't attack Universe 11 randomly, and even stops Cumber feom causing unnecesary damage (Toppo and Dyspo are nor even truly defeated in the game as Jiren arrives before that and takes on almost everyone at once). He was literally just gathering energy, and once the heroes tried to stop him, fight them. He literally asks Gogeta to join him in defeating Zeno and only ever killed Zamasu because of his hatred of gods. He never killed indiscriminately like you suggest. Frankly, I don't even understand what the point of the hypocrite thing in the anime is- what he does doesn't go against his hatred of the gods or Zeno, not is he doing anything of what they do.
So recruiting very dangerous individuals and attacking people who have nothing to do with his revenge on gods, which includes two parasites who take over people's bodies, which Hearts doesn't try to stop or even scold them at any point, and then trying to destroy Earth aren't evil things?
I need to ask again, had he not attacked Sadala, would the heroes be even be opposing him? That's the sole reason Vegeta goes to Universe 6 and meets him. That should say everything about whatever he is a real villain or not. I'm not saying he was well handled at all- in fact, I would argue it's exactly the opposite because I'm left even wondering why the group is facing him other than to preserve the current godly system which they are not even part of, or because Goku is friends with Zeno which doesn't exactly make them look good.
Why are you saying "Well if he didn't do this evil thing they wouldn't fight"? He did attack Sadala to begin with and after that he ordered his subordinates to attack the Pride Troopers, and again, two parasites who take over people's bodies are among the people he recruited and one of them even took over Vegeta for shits and giggles which Hearts made no effort to stop, so attacking Sadala isn't the only bad thing he did. If he didn't attack U6 the other characters wouldn't fight him more so because he didn't get in their friends' way, and that's always the case with DB characters.

He has good intentions, it can even be said he's right about getting rid of all of these incompetent, lazy gods, but again, he goes about it in villainous ways even before he tried to destroy Earth. I'm not even saying he's one of the most evil people in DB, I just don't think his villainy should be denied just because he has a good point, and at best he's be a lesser evil when compared to Zeno and other villains.
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