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The GT Rildo/M2 Arc/And The Baby Saga

Post by SelfTrainedNamekian » Thu Oct 17, 2024 3:43 pm

i'm watching THE ENTIRE GT for the first time.

this show is just streatching WAY WAY too much. that all M2 planet with general rildo and his robotic friends. and before that the annoying lood arc. now i finally got to the episode where baby is born and guess what? i have 2 more episodes in that M2 planet. i get why people dont like this show

i remember watching parts of it. i watched the baby,super 17 and dragon saga. but i never actually had to sit through that boring black star dragon saga. and the funny thing is that officialy the baby saga considerd episode 17 onwards. but baby is introduce only in episode 22. then only in 25 he actually reach earth which is where the baby saga really begins. and then 15 episodes which are some of the best in the series. and no more of this goku/trunks/pan boring adventures in space.

its amazing how unbalanced gt is. everything from the baby saga and onwards is great IMO. super 17 arc is short and sweet. it has some bad writing stuff but its entrereining. the dragon saga is great imo.

everything before the baby saga is the black ship of GT. those arcs stretch WAY WAY too much.
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Re: The GT Rildo/M2 Arc/And The Baby Saga

Post by AliTheZombie13 » Thu Oct 17, 2024 4:15 pm

I like the slow build-up to action, it lets me know the characters before shit hits the fan.
Don't really care for the monster of the week "Fight! Fight! Fight!" shenanigans that were Super 17 and the Evil Dragons arc.
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Post by JulieYBM » Thu Oct 17, 2024 5:27 pm

I think that a big issue is one that is shared similarly with Dragon Ball in general: Dragon Ball GT doesn't lean hard enough into using its ideas to tell us something new about the characters. I think Pan rescuing Trunks and Gokuu on M2 and then leading the charge to defeat Rild would have worked really well if the arc had been written a bit more tightly. Similarly, I think the Super 17 arc could have used the revived enemies as a chance to really explore where the main cast have been, where they are now, and where they aim to go for the future. Little more makes for such a ripe opportunity to develop your characters by having them literally face their long forgotten pasts in present combat, after all.
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Post by Freezer94 » Wed Nov 13, 2024 6:36 pm

To me GT has plenty of ups and downs, but the original batch of episodes are great and M2 is when things start to get tedious. Then it gets really good again with early Baby stuff (my favourite part of GT) only to stretch out the fight against Baby at the end a little too long for my liking.

As for the rest of the series Super 17 is probably my least favourite arc across all of DB and its only highlights for me are the few moments where 18 gets something to do. And the dragon arc starts really good with lots of silly but still very dangerous dragons but then it falls apart for me personally with the final 3, only to build its way back up with that ending.

Lots of peaks and valleys for DBGT. Basically I like something, then a stretch I don't like, and then repeat this cycle a few times.

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Post by Yuji » Wed Nov 13, 2024 7:22 pm

I can't take GT seriously after one of the Shadow Dragons was damaged by a common seagull. Not even a powerscalling thing, just can't hold my suspension of disbelief when something like that happens.

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Post by ABED » Fri Nov 15, 2024 4:33 pm

I'll never understand why some hate "freak/monster/problem, etc. of the week" TV show structure. It's a TV. Why are you in such a rush to get to the ending? Why must everything by serialized? Even in a serialized show, it's nice to have something open and closed within the span of the episode.

In any case, some of the stuff could be shaved, but I enjoy these episodes. They are some of my favorite in all of GT. Hell, I even like the Luud stuff. Again, I just wish the fights were better.
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Post by WittyUsername » Fri Nov 15, 2024 6:25 pm

ABED wrote: Fri Nov 15, 2024 4:33 pm I'll never understand why some hate "freak/monster/problem, etc. of the week" TV show structure. It's a TV. Why are you in such a rush to get to the ending? Why must everything by serialized? Even in a serialized show, it's nice to have something open and closed within the span of the episode.

In any case, some of the stuff could be shaved, but I enjoy these episodes. They are some of my favorite in all of GT. Hell, I even like the Luud stuff. Again, I just wish the fights were better.
Probably because monster of the week structures are inherently formulaic, and can make a series feel static depending on how many episodes like that there are. I would imagine people especially have a problem with GT doing that because it’s not really something you’d typically associate with Dragon Ball.

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Post by Saiya6Cit » Fri Nov 15, 2024 6:55 pm

I love all DBGT.

Those M2 episodes I enjoy them particularly because of the designs. Sci Fi and robots are something I truly enjoy.

When I first watched it on TV I was hoping for Rildo to come back. He defeated Goku after all. I liked him as a villain. The design from that saga is great, the city and all robots. The fight VS rildo happens in a metallic forest! what can be cooler than that??!!

I can see not everyone likes it tough and maybe that is the reason why Dragon Ball Daima is moving towars "Magic" than on the "Technology" side.

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Post by ABED » Fri Nov 15, 2024 8:07 pm

WittyUsername wrote: Fri Nov 15, 2024 6:25 pm
ABED wrote: Fri Nov 15, 2024 4:33 pm I'll never understand why some hate "freak/monster/problem, etc. of the week" TV show structure. It's a TV. Why are you in such a rush to get to the ending? Why must everything by serialized? Even in a serialized show, it's nice to have something open and closed within the span of the episode.

In any case, some of the stuff could be shaved, but I enjoy these episodes. They are some of my favorite in all of GT. Hell, I even like the Luud stuff. Again, I just wish the fights were better.
Probably because monster of the week structures are inherently formulaic, and can make a series feel static depending on how many episodes like that there are. I would imagine people especially have a problem with GT doing that because it’s not really something you’d typically associate with Dragon Ball.
So are "big bad" structures. Is DB really any less formulaic just bc it's serialized? It feels like the days of super-serialization has ruined people's ability to just enjoy TV for TV.

One of the best things about the monster or adventure of the week structures in DB is that we get the benefits of both a full episodic story along with a greater arc. Like anything else, it boils down to execution.
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Post by Toxin45 » Sat Nov 16, 2024 6:15 pm

hmm this arc was okay but once baby showed up things got interesting

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Re: The GT Rildo/M2 Arc/And The Baby Saga

Post by sunsetshimmer » Mon Dec 16, 2024 4:11 pm

That's a late answer (i really rarely visit lately) but M2 episodes are what, 6 episodes in total? Yet you make it sound like it's Namek arc where you've been watching the same background for 50 episodes, or tournament of power. I don't see a problem here. Episodes on M2 were mostly full of action, i don't see any stretching here, unlike Namek and ToP arcs. Dr Myuu is on different planet so except for Baby-Rildo attacking main crew trying to leave, everything after Rildo vs Goku fight doesn't take place on M2 anymore.

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SelfTrainedNamekian wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2024 3:43 pm the funny thing is that officialy the baby saga considerd episode 17 onwards. but baby is introduce only in episode 22
That's not true at all. Baby saga officialy starts at episode 23. Rildo and M2 are part of Black Star saga. You are probably referring to dumb change in english dub (which i don't count as "watching GT" because of how awful this dub was and unfaithful to source material even compared to english Z). But english dub skipped first 16 episodes and decided to release them later as "lost episodes" which is why they changed it so Baby arc starts with episode 17, but in original version it starts from episode 23.
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