Demon Realm Divisions & Hierarchy

Discussion specifically regarding the "Dragon Ball Daima" TV series premiering October 2024, including individual threads for each episode.
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Demon Realm Divisions & Hierarchy

Post by Neo-Makaiōshin » Sat Oct 19, 2024 10:48 am

In Episode 1 Gomah is crowned King of the Great Demon Realm (Dai Maki no Ō) and mentions the existent of 3 Demon Realms. In Episode 2, Glorio mentioned he serves the King of the 3rd Demon Realm (第三魔界の王 Dai-San Makai no Ō).

We have a distinction made in the realm terminology:
  • 魔界 (Makai) - Demon Realm
  • 大魔界 (Dai Makai) - Great Demon Realm
We have a distinction made in the hierarchy terminology:
  • 魔界の王 (Makai no Ō) - King of the Demon Realm
  • 大魔界の王(Dai Makai no Ō) - King of the Great Demon Realm
With this information we can infer that the entire dimension is referred to as Dai Makai, whereas within it there are three separate realms each ruled by one Demon King (魔王 Maō).

The person who rules the entire Great Demon World is referred to as the Great Demon King (大魔王 Dai Maō), which is the title given to Dabura in Episode 1 of Daima by Degesu.

Gomah is the ruler of the entire Demon Realm under the title of King of the Great Demon Realm (大魔界の王 Dai Makai no Ō) .

Oddities and curiosities
  • Piccolo self proclaimed title is Great Demon King (Dai Maō). Never ruled the Great Demon Realm at any point that we know of.
  • In his manga (447) / anime (DBZ 220) debut Dabura is addressed as King of the Demon Realm (Makai no Ō) by Kibito and King of the Demon Realm of Darkness (暗黒魔界の王, Ankoku Makai no Ō) by Shin.
    • In the original context of his manga / anime debut, Dabura had the highest ranking within the Demon Realm but, under the context of Daima for some reason Shin and Kibito (unintentionally?) downplay Dabura's ranking.
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Re: Demon Realm Divisions & Hierarchy

Post by shadowfox87 » Sat Oct 19, 2024 11:59 am

I like Daima so far. It brings a new story and adventure. I do like that the demon realm is outside of the 12 universes. That is, each universe doesn't have its own demon realm but that it is distinct and exists in its own plane of existence. In Super, when we found out that Jiren's master was killed by an unknown demon and that is what motivated Jiren to become stronger - I wasn't sure if Universe 11 had its own demon realm since that demon would have to be even stronger than Majin Buu and Dabura to be able to kill Jiren's master.

Now we know that the demon realm is divided into 3 sub-realms, each with its own king. Dabura was at most Perfect Cell's level and his father, Abura, while unknown, doesn't seem that strong but maybe with the third eye, he could be. The necklace around Abura in the ending credits could be that third eye.

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Also, while this opens the possibility of other demon realms, I wonder if Mechikabura and Towa still have a role. Towa was Dabura's sister and she was originally designed by Toriyama. Perhaps it can be explained that Towa has her own agenda and is busy making Mira and doing her time travel shenanigans at this time. Mechikabura could have been the original demon king as "abura" is part of his name. Before you say anything. Yes, I know you will say that it's not canon but Toriyama did in fact design the characters in Dragon Ball Online which ended up becoming Xenoverse. DB Heroes based the stories off that.

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It's also interesting to note that if the origin of the Namekians is the Demon realm and that Neva is able to exert so much power over another set of Dragon Balls, gathering them in their inactivated and even reactivating them, shows that he is from the Dragon Clan of Namekians. We also know that Zalama is the creator of the Super Dragon Balls and he has to be alive given that the Super Dragon Balls exist. Perhaps, this gives us clues to the origin of not just the Namekian species but also Zalama's origins and where he/she/other could be.
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Re: Demon Realm Divisions & Hierarchy

Post by Grimlock » Sat Oct 19, 2024 12:48 pm

Other oddities is that we still haven't even heard anything about "Makaios" and "Makaioshins", their roles and relations to all these "Demon Kings" thing. I've always wondered about the possibility of having "Dai Makaio" and "Dai Makaioshin" (counterparts to Dai Kaio and Dai Kaioshin, obviously). With all this "Dai" terminology being thrown around in just two episodes, you'd expect that they exist as well. But it's really difficult when they don't address the names that are supposed to be addressed already.
shadowfox87 wrote: Sat Oct 19, 2024 11:59 amMechikabura could have been the original demon king as "abura" is part of his name.
The idea that Mechikabura is the first Demon King is stated in Dragon Ball Heroes. We don't know if that's something that existed somewhere within Dragon Ball Online's lore, though.
shadowfox87 wrote: Sat Oct 19, 2024 11:59 amBefore you say anything. Yes, I know you will say that it's not canon
Whoever says that not only will be wrong, it will be irrelevant to the discussion at hand too.

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Re: Demon Realm Divisions & Hierarchy

Post by shadowfox87 » Sat Oct 19, 2024 9:26 pm

Grimlock wrote: Sat Oct 19, 2024 12:48 pm Other oddities is that we still haven't even heard anything about "Makaios" and "Makaioshins", their roles and relations to all these "Demon Kings" thing. I've always wondered about the possibility of having "Dai Makaio" and "Dai Makaioshin" (counterparts to Dai Kaio and Dai Kaioshin, obviously). With all this "Dai" terminology being thrown around in just two episodes, you'd expect that they exist as well. But it's really difficult when they don't address the names that are supposed to be addressed already.
Yes, I also find it strange that Degesu is being so docile towards Gomah even though Degesu's likely a lot stronger. Gomah isn't a god. He's a mortal that just was given the throne of the king. I'm sure that Degesu has some other agenda. It's also interesting to note that Zamasu, even though he was a Kaioshin of Universe 10, didn't know about the demon realm dragon balls. If he did, I'm sure that would have been a lot easier than gathering the Super Dragon Balls. It must mean that whatever goes on in the demon realm is very secretive even to the Kaios outside the demon realm.
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Re: Demon Realm Divisions & Hierarchy

Post by Grimlock » Sun Oct 20, 2024 9:10 am

shadowfox87 wrote: Sat Oct 19, 2024 9:26 pmI'm sure that Degesu has some other agenda.
Hopefully he does, and that it clashes with Arinsu's. So far, those two are the most interesting characters. Gomah has done nothing for me.
shadowfox87 wrote: Sat Oct 19, 2024 9:26 pmIt's also interesting to note that Zamasu, even though he was a Kaioshin of Universe 10, didn't know about the demon realm dragon balls. If he did, I'm sure that would have been a lot easier than gathering the Super Dragon Balls. It must mean that whatever goes on in the demon realm is very secretive even to the Kaios outside the demon realm.
That would be correct. Kaios and Kaioshins don't know what happens in the Demon Realm.

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