Hello, ladies, gentlemen, and everyone between and beyond, and welcome to the beginning of Dragon Ball Trivia, volume 2.
Continuing our old tradition of in-depth trivia from the rewatch we ran, which started... nearly five years ago now... damn...
People seemed to really like our rewatch threads, and KBABZ and I are honestly really loving Daima. We're watching the episodes together as they go out, and finally she messaged me and suggested we should start doing trivia again... I was hesitant, I considered myself "retired" from Kanzenshuu, but pretension be damned, this trivia stuff is fun!
As per usual, KBABZ wrote 90% of this, and none of it is going out without both of us coming to some agreement on it.
Also, we reserve the right to adjust any trivia entries as more episodes of Daima release with more information and story.
Unlike last time, we won't be doing a new thread each week, we'll just make a new post in this thread (or, I will, with her sign-off of course) with the trivia for the latest episode. Unsure precisely what schedule we'll use, possibly no schedule at all, but certainly we'll aim to not fall behind by two episodes again after this.
Since this is an immediate sequel to Z, we will be continuing exactly where we left off before we began GT, back in December 2021, for the purposes of overall episode numbering and tracking of other statistics.
Also, beware of spoilers. If you're not caught up on Daima, do not proceed. This is your only warning.
Anyway, without further ado...
Episode 445 - Conspiracy(Daima episode 1) Originally aired 11th of October 2024
Written by: Yūko Kakihara
Episode director: Aya Komaki
Animation supervisor: Takeo Ide
Chief animation supervisor: Chikashi Kubota
Goku and company were living peaceful lives when they suddenly turned small due to a conspiracy! When they discover that the reason for this may lie in a world known as the "Demon Realm", a mysterious young Majin named Glorio appears before them.
Interesting trivia:
Spoiler:
At this point in time... HAH, just kidding. I'm not doing THAT again! - KBABZ
Robo was going to one-up his long-suffering partner in trivia here, and explain where we are in the Super manga when this aired, but it actually ended seven months earlier, back in March 2024, which means:
Dragon Ball: Daima is the first major original Dragon Ball anime project to air without an associated manga running alongside it. Kai also didn't have a manga, but it's a re-edit of Dragon Ball Z rather than being an original story.
Daima can be read as Dai + Ma, great demon. Add -o to the end (King) and you have Piccolo Daimao's title of Great Demon King. Toriyama himself alluded to this in his message about the series, published around when the series was announced.
Episode 1 stands out among Daima episodes for lasting 32 minutes, in contrast to the regular 23 minutes of all the other episodes. 23 minutes is of course the standard runtime for a Dragon Ball anime episode.
Chronologically-speaking, Dragon Ball Daima is the first Dragon Ball anime series to air without an Opening or Ending animation sequence, which are both saved for the second episode. This is also true of the eyecatches, which are saved for the third episode.
The opening shot of Daima is of the sun with some very visible solar flares, referencing the original Dragon Ball's OP whose main title is also of the sun.
The second shot is that of the One-Star Ball. This references both the Mystical Adventure and Head Cha-La intros, whose first shots are also of the One-Star Ball. (We Gotta Power didn't do this, which is why that intro is inferior)
Robo would like to apologise to this slander on the good name of We Gotta Power. He would like to, but he won't, because it's KBABZ's fault, and all complaints should be directed to her.
Daima is the first time in Dragon Ball animation that the bow on Goku's boots have been drawn, rather than just the string.
In the shot that recaps the original Dragon Ball, the art in the middle of the radar is either the exact art piece Toriyama used for Dragon Ball's final chapter, or is a VERY good redraw. In either case, the image is taller than the version seen in the manga chapter.
In the first "Dragon Team" image, many of the poses are taken from specific moments in the story:
Roshi is from his original meeting with Goku and Bulma, as evidenced by his smaller beard. His Three-Star Ball is also visible behind the beard.
Puar noticeably has a villainous expression, making a very rare call-back to when they and Yamcha were desert bandits.
Oolong is taken from when he interrupted Pilaf to save the world via a wish for a pair of girls panties.
Krillin is from when he first introduces himself to Roshi in the 21st Tournament Arc.
Chaozu is from when he's about to fire the Dodon-pa at Krillin in their 22nd Tournament match.
Tenshinhan's is from casting the Tri-Beam onto the Tournament arena in his 22nd Tournament match with Goku.
The second Dragon Team collage contains fewer references, but are still there:
Yamcha's pose has him with his middle and index fingers together, referencing his "Spirit Ball" move in his match with Shen / Kami.
Piccolo's is from when he first reveals himself to Goku at the 23rd Tournament in the preliminaries building. Notably, Piccolo's "muscles" are yellow rather than pink, a choice inherited from Dragon Ball Super: Super Hero that also adheres to the colouring from the Full Color manga.
Krillin's pose is interestingly not taken from the 23rd Tournament. Instead it's from when he fires the ki attack that splits apart to kill almost all of the Saibamen, shortly after one of them memetically kills Yamcha.
Similarly, Yajirobe is shown holding a sack of senzu beans, something he wouldn't start doing until the arrival of the Androids.
In Raditz's shot, his armband is red as in the anime. In the Full Colors, it's white.
The view of Earth uses the same design as the world map from the Daizenshuu, including the rough distribution of arid and lush areas. We're not too familiar with Super so we don't know if that show ever did this, but it's super-cool to see it in Daima.
The continent shown is on the western side of the map, and is where Baba's Palace, Babidi's Spaceship, and the Red Ribbon Army HQ is located.
Unless Raditz's pod circled clockwise around the Earth for a bit, in the Daima shot it's going to land nowhere near where the Daizenshuu map says it will!
Bardock's appearance is consistent with his design from Super: Broly.
In the grand anime tradition, Goku charging his Kamehameha causes a ball to appear between his hands, something the manga never depicted.
Freeza's shot shows him stomping down with his foot whilst having his arms crossed. This references the period of his fight with Goku where he offers to fight without using his arms.
All three villains at the end of the recap have glowing red eyes. All three already have red eyes, with the slight exception of Cell, who has lavender eyes in the anime.
Episode 1 - Extreme close-ups in Daima have a habit of including some chromatic aberration on the edges of the frame. For those who don't know, chromatic aberration is the effect of colour splitting apart as it passes through the glass lens of the camera, resulting in visible red/green/blue "ghosts" along the edges of objects.
The shot of Goku firing his Kamehameha at the camera is referencing Toriyama's artwork for Shonen Jump's 37th issue in 1990, one of the most iconic pieces of Dragon Ball art.
The final shot is continuing the tradition of Dragon Ball having "main character ensemble lineup" shots, starting with the original Head Cha-La opening for Dragon Ball Z. Daima is specifically referencing the most famous one from the third Head Cha-La opening (used in Z episodes 118-199) with Goku going Super Saiyan and Trunks, which was used much later for the Rock the Dragon intro (at the beginning of Z, long before Goku actually attained Super Saiyan) and would continue to appear in the Westwood/Ocean opening right to the end.
This shot is an early indication of when Daima takes place before it's properly explained, with Tenshinhan and Chaozu having their Boo-era appearances (as well as Yajirobe with the moustache).
Gohan's gi in the lineup shot is consistent with the Boo era, contrasting Goku's revised design with the folded front and the "skirt" of the shirt running underneath the belt.
Vegeta's meanwhile is back to the Android era, as he's wearing his chest armor again.
Bulma's hair has been made baby blue just like in Super, whilst Trunks' remain lavender like in Dragon Ball Z. Hopefully Future Trunks doesn't show up with baby blue hair to confuse everybody again!
Daima's episode titles are singular words, which happen to be the style used by Pioneer and Funimation for their DBZ VHS tapes... Arrival, The Saiyans, Snake Way, Pendulum Room, Doom, Immortals, Destruction, Showdown, Departure, Rebirth, Namek, Betrayal, Collision, Quest, Trouble, The Ginyu Force, Super Saiyan?!, Assault, Double Cross, The Summoning, Transformation, Revealed, Death of a Prince, Clash, Desperation... etc.
In Robo's opinion, this is a change for the better. Massively so. The oldschool Japanese episode titles were terrible in his opinion. (And yes, I did just indirectly compliment Funimation. Don't get too used to it )
The original GT VHS/DVD releases are, in fact, all single-word titles, ending in "ion"; Reaction, Rejection, Ruination, Conviction, etc.
Dragon Ball's VHS releases were a break from this; Roshi's Request, Turtle Hermit Training, Fighters Begin, Semi-Finals, Final Test, The Hunt is On, etc. The DVDs were per-saga rather than per-disc and were named as such – yet another break from Z and GT.
Daima marks the first time Toriyama-penned Dragon Ball works have visited all regions of a single universe:
Other World - Saiyan Arc
Hell - Resurrection "F"
Kaio Realm - Boo Arc
Living World - Pilaf Arc
Demon Realm - Daima
While the Kaio Realm exists independently of Other World, the Demon Realm is considered to be part of the Living World.
Being set in the Demon Realm, Daima once again highlights that one Dragon Ball filler episode where Goku actually went there. Considering that passage to the Demon Realm is revealed to be heavily restricted, this actually lines up quite well with that episode, where the passage being open was a major break from the norm, and its closing was implied to be pretty much irreversible.
The Magic Monitor room that Gomah and Degesu use has visual similarities to Beerus' abode with the Egyptian architecture, as well as Kami's Lookout with the rounded central platform.
With his shiny black and white design and white cape, Gomah's appearance is similar to that of Towa, the antagonist of Dragon Ball Online and sister to King Dabura. This makes sense, considering Toriyama designed both characters.
It's implied that Gomah and Degesu are viewing the events of the Boo Arc months after its conclusion. This is rather odd considering that the source of doing this is Dabura's disappearance, which would have happened months ago.
Two of the Boo Arc's darkest moments have been adjusted somewhat to lessen their blow:
When Vegeta destroys the stands of the Tenkaichi Budokai arena, it isn't very apparent that he's firing at a crowd of people, as the stands are barely glimpsed and not given any focus.
When Majin Boo punches Babidi's head into oblivion, said head is covered up by pink energy. When Boo tosses the body away, Babidi can be heard screaming, and his "head" is obscured by his body before Boo blows it up with a ki attack.
Degesu's dialogue retroactively heightens the stakes of the Boo Arc to encompass the Demon Realm alongside the mortal realm and Other World.
King Gomah reacting with a "We'll see" unintentionally echoes every western DBZ fan who originally watched the episode were Vegeta "defeated" Boo with his sacrifice.
When Gomah scans about to find the source of the darkened sky, one of the shots is of Capsule Corp., which has hugely expanded grounds compared to in the Namek Arc. The back is shown with a section cut out, which is a design first seen in Wrath of the Dragon. This area is seen again in the background of Goku and Vegeta's fight at the end of the episode.
Degesu comments on Shen Long looking different from Porunga, an interesting comment to make considering the Demon Realm's three Dragon Balls.
When Gomah rewinds a bit after seeing Shen Long, we see the first shot of Videl in Daima as she stands next to 18 and Maaron.
Gomah comments that Earth's Dragon Balls must be easy to gather. This is only half-right, considering Bulma's Dragon Radar and various flying methods trivialize searching for them. Neva of course will take this one step further!
While Gomah's recap skips over using the last Shen Long wish to restore Goku's strength, it does keep continuity with it by showing Goku as a Super Saiyan when he delivers the final blow.
Degesu's line, "Everyone who would stand in your way is gone", implies that even Babidi had some sort of threat to the throne of King of the Demon Realm.
Dr. Arinsu is also visually similar to Towa from Dragon Ball Online, although in obviously different ways than Gomah. It's worth noting that until the advent of Super, DB Online was the closest we got to a Toriyama continuation of the manga.
As shown by other continuities (GT, Online and Super), Gomah legitimately had nothing to worry about regarding the Saiyans coming to the Demon Realm, especially considering how difficult it is to enter the Demon Realm. By going out of his way to use Shen Long and turn everyone into kids, he gave them the exact motivation to go to the Demon Realm and trouble him in the first place!
This episode is the first mention of King Abura. This makes a pun of "Abura Dabura", or Abra Kadabra, and links up with Bibidi Babidi Boo, another series of names based on a magic phrase.
The Tamagamis being the protectors of the Dragon Balls is similar in spirit to the Namekian Dragon Balls, where each one was guarded by the head of the village.
Daima reveals the actual reason for when Shen Long can't do something like kill somebody, being based in white magic. While GT almost certainly isn't relevant to Daima, it's interesting to compare this to Omega Shen Long of the Black Star Dragon Balls, who has no such limitations.
Considering Dende in DBZ Abridged famously referred to himself as "The white mage, and nobody kills the white mage" right before Freeza kills him, and considering Dende goes on to make the new Earth Dragon Balls, it seems TeamFourStar unintentionally no-scoped this lore.
It isn't confirmed whether or not making somebody young actually decreases their battle power (outside of being in an unfamiliar body). Broly in the Super continuity poses an interesting point to this: his battle power was over 10,000 when he was but an infant, which is roughly Goku's strength when he fought Vegeta as an adult in the Saiyan arc.
As Gomah leaves the room, he mentions three Demon Worlds within the Demon Realm, the earliest mention of such a thing being the case. Before this point, it was assumed the Demon Realm was a singular... well, realm.
In Norse mythology, there are traditionally said to be nine worlds (or nine realms), but anecdotally some folklore traditions refer to only three realms; if you think of the world mapped onto a disc-shaped map (or indeed, if you imagine the world is a Disc World), the centre of the disc is the middle enclosure – Midgard (Miðgarðr). The edge of the disc is the outyards, Utgard (Utgarðr). Between these, you have the land of the giants, Jotunheim (Jǫtunheimr or Jǫtunheimar). The other six realms are confusing and I refuse to go into them.
Whether this tangent ends up being just Robo waffling about a recent interest of his, or something useful that may come up later, we'll presumably find out later on in Daima. (Robo's money is on this just being him waffling though.)
Rather than using eyecatches, Daima's first two episodes instead opt to show the logo on the shots before where the ad breaks will be. This is perhaps done in the interest of saving time, as well as making for a smoother viewing experiences when streaming or watching the Blu-Ray.
Neva's name pun isn't inherently apparent. Kanzenshuu speculates that it's based on the phrase "nebaneba", to mean "something sticky", which thematically links to the snail and slug-based names of all other Namekians.
Foreshadowing Glorio and Bulma in Episode 2, Gomah calls his ship a "plane" when he orders Neva to get into it.
The PIN that Degesu uses in this episode is 0493. In April 1993, the manga was wrapping up after Cell's defeat, and the anime had Gohan step up to fight Cell, and the Cell Juniors appear. No, we don't think this is relevant, but Robo thought he might as well check.
The sound effect for Gomah's plane is a stock sound effect. KBABZ recognises it from the opening titles for Crash Bandicoot: The Wrath of Cortex, where it was used for Oxide's ship.
When asked where they want to go, the silver fish asks "which universe". This implies that either the Demon Realm is connected to all universes, or that this transport method is able to get you there!
The mention of "Universe 7" is also consistent with Dragon Ball Z: Battle of Gods (and then Super), where Earth is also in Universe 7.
Notably, Bulma's parents do not appear to be present at the birthday party of their own grandson in their own house!
Roshi, Ox-King, Yamcha, Puar and Oolong all get a single close-up before they get turned into children. Chichi, Android 18, and Goten, and Mr. Satan get none: Chichi is visible in the side of Goku's exchange with Krillin, and 18 only being visible in the party's wide shot. Goten is only visible behind a chair, and Mr. Satan is in the background of Boo's exposition shot.
Goku's mentioning of the Saiyan growth spurt aligns with Goku being rather short until the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai, as well as the explanation given towards the end of Dragon Ball Super: Super Hero.
Kibito's skin colour has changed a second time! In the anime his skin was a salmon red colour, while in the Full Color manga, it was purple. For Daima, his skin is now pink like Kaioshin's.
As noted in Kanzenshuu's page for this episode, there are a few minor translation issues with the Crunchyroll simulcast subtitles. Nothing too major, but worth giving a look.
The explanation given for Kibitoshin's de-fusion is completely different from Dragon Ball Super, where they use the Namekian Dragon Balls to wish for their defusion (this happens in both Super's anime and manga, offscreen in both cases). Unless something happens later in Daima to refuse them, this means that Daima is yet another separate branch off of the original manga, incompatibly coexisting with GT, DB Online and Super!
KBABZ jokingly refers to this as the Plan to Eradicate the Super Canon.
Krillin's comment regarding Boo being considered a good guy solidly places Daima in the months after the end of the Boo Arc, placing it earlier in the timeline than even the Jump Special.
The above means that the Dragon Ball gang have three separate parties in the space of a three years: Trunks' birthday in Age 775, a general celebration of Goku and friends in Age 776, and Bulma's birthday in Age 778!
Goku complaining about Gohan being distant is very ironic considering he habitually doesn't keep in touch with his friends between arcs, most famously not even speaking to Bulma for five years prior to End of Z.
Bulma being annoyed at Goku and Vegeta flying off from Trunks' birthday party to train is similar to Battle of Gods, where she's annoyed that the two are training rather than attending her birthday party.
The dutch angle shot of Goku firing his Kamehameha into Vegeta's Galick Gun is a callback to the iconic shot of the same happening in their first clash back in the Saiyan Arc.
Similar to the manga, Goku's Nyoi-bo isn't visible below Kami's Lookout. As revealed in the next episode, there's a reason for this!
Strangely, Gomah's plane has visible film grain over it, while the digitally-drawn animation and backgrounds have none.
Neva is the first elderly Namekian to set foot on the Lookout since Kami and Piccolo fused into one way back in the Android Arc.
Despite their mission being about preventing the heroes from being a threat to the Demon Realm, Degesu tells the Guardian of Earth that he came from the Demon Realm before turning them into babies and children.
The lore tidbit that most people with pointy ears come from the Demon Realm implies that Mr. Popo's race also comes from there!
Given Dende's wording ("I can't do that!"), Gomah doesn't appear to understand that Dende physically cannot summon the Dragon Balls to him when needed (if that were the case, he would have done it when restoring Earth's Dragon Balls in the lead-up to the Cell Games).
Gomah states that he'll extend Neva's life by 1,000 years. It's unclear at this point if he means by using the third Dragon Ball wish (meaning Degesu doesn't get one), or if he's been using such a spell to keep Neva alive since the Namekians left the Demon Realm. It's implied to not be via a Dragon Ball wish, given that Neva isn't upset about Shen Long's early departure in the next episode.
Dende seems surprised that Gomah wants to use the Dragon Balls to make a wish. Well what ELSE were they going to use them for?!
Dende's wording also foreshadows the twist at the start of Episode 2: he says "make A wish", singular instead of plural.
The locations of the three Dragon Balls we visibly see recovered by Neva are all biomes we've seen them in before:
Goku recovered a Dragon Ball from the desert in the lead-up to the Cell Games.
A Dragon Ball was in the jungle during the Colonel Silver filler of the Red Ribbon Army arc.
A Dragon Ball was underwater in the pirate cave during the General Blue portion of the Red Ribbon Army arc.
The password being important in Daima is curious, considering the actual wording used to vary between summons (just a general "Hey Shen Long come out for my wish!" was good enough). The Namekian Dragon Balls were the first to require an actual password phrase.
Robo's theory is that, just as with the Namekian balls, the "password" is just knowing the dragon's name; everyone calls for Shen Long, or for Porunga. KBABZ postulates that this may have been something Dende could have added before the Boo Arc.
If Bulma had thought to check her Dragon Radar, she would have seen the Dragon Balls were active and that Shen Long had indeed been summoned. Considering the fluffing about the wish's specifics, this may have given enough time for Goku to teleport over to intercept the wish... were he not currently busy fighting Vegeta.
Similar to Dende, Shen Long's phrasing never mentions granting three wishes, foreshadowing the twist in Episode 2.
Daima is the first Dragon Ball anime series to not use its ending song in the first episode, instead debuting the intro song there instead.
Episode 446 - Glorio(Daima episode 2) Originally aired 18th of October 2024
Written by: Yūko Kakihara
Episode director: Kazuya Karasawa
Animation supervisor: Naoko Yamaoka
Chief animation supervisor: Yūya Takahashi
Goku and his friends have been turned small due to Gomah's scheme. They begin preparing to go to the demon world. Goku collects his Nyoibo and looks forward to a new adventure. Then the mysterious young Majin Glorio appears!
Interesting trivia:
Spoiler:
When Shen Long arches back after granting his wish, his neck appears to grow longer from the base of his head.
Shen Long only granting one wish to first-timers was, of course, completely unmentioned in the Android and Boo Arcs.
Maaron, the youngest of Goku's friends, is wished back into a baby, which may be confusing at first until you remember her age. By the time Daima takes place in Age 775, she would have been four years old, being born in Age 771.
The English version of the Daima website has the name for Krillin's daughter translated as "Maaron", which differs from the older "Marron" translation. This is admittedly easier for KBABZ to tell apart from Maron, Krillin's ex-girlfriend from the Z filler. Robo finds this new spelling weird, but is going to go with it unless convinced otherwise.
Similar website naming oddities include Roshi as "kamesennin", Ox-King as "Gyumao", and adding "Son" to the front of Goku and Goten's names. While these are accurate to their Japanese names, they conflict with the established English names.
Episode 2 - Toei have opted to call the younger versions of the characters in Daima "[Character] (Mini)". This is possibly done to differentiate them from their original younger forms, which are usually structured as "Young [Character]".
Amusingly, the title of the very first episode of Z refers to Gohan as "Mini-Goku". (Kanzenshuu translates the title as Mini Goku is Just Precious! I'm Gohan). Goten was also compared to being a miniature Goku, such as first meeting his father and with the Tournament Announcer.
On a similar note, Gohan in the Cell Saga is called Teen Gohan by Funimation, even though he's the same age as "Young Goku". This is because Gohan is slightly older in their 90s produced dubs which, on top of slightly longer time-skips, means that Gohan is closer to 15 rather than 13 in their Cell Arc. This has also led to the Saiyaman-era Gohan to be called "Adult Gohan" despite being a high school teenager.
In general, every character retains their clothing and "physical style" when wished into first-graders. Which makes it weird that there are exceptions:
Goku's boots lose the red lines, and the bowstrings change from red to white.
Krillin is bald, when he explained in his debut that he shaved to imitate Roshi.
Ox-King's appearance is closer to his debut, back when he was sporting a helmet. Before the wish, he appeared much as he did throughout Z.
Mr. Satan completely changes, going to a closed-up black shirt, and gaining a red cape.
Yamcha's hair reverts back to the longer style seen in his desert bandit days.
Oolong's shirt and shoes change, and he loses his watch.
Mr. Popo loses his turban, revealing a pair of horns.
Dende's overshirt changes from maroon to pink.
Maaron loses her sailor fuku shirt and ponytails, and gains a baby bib.
The intro spoils several aspects of Daima that haven't been introduced yet as of Episode 2, including the Demon Realm having three Dragon Balls (each physically ON one of the Tamagami), Pansy, various Demon Realm biomes, Goku acquiring the Nyoi-bo, and Mr. Popo's young appearance.
Boo flying across the top of the "friends" shot in the intro is visually similar to Toriyama's artwork for the spine of the Tankobon release of the manga.
The shot of the villainous demons is the first appearance of Abura, and the shot immediately after is the first appearance of the Evil Third Eye.
Interestingly, two shots show adult Goku with Nyoi-bo, with one of those on Kinto'un. It remains to be seen if this setup happens in Daima anywhere except the very end of the story.
Kinto'un is especially interesting considering Goku opts not to use it when searching for Nyoi-bo.
Neva's phrasing about gathering the Demon Realm Dragon Balls implies that it would gather all three Tamagamis together, forcing one to fight all three at the same time. Let's see if that's true!
Dende being turned into a child is interesting, considering thirteen years have passed since he was first met in the Namek Arc. If Dende was seven on Namek, that would make him 20 in Daima (Dende's exact age isn't known). This implies that Namekians are biologically children for longer than humans and Saiyans are.
This is also the opposite for Piccolo, who grew from a baby to an adult in the span of three years!
Unlike Goten and Trunks, Dende doesn't seem to retain his memories as a baby, as he doesn't react to Gomah, Degesu or Neva with hostility.
Roshi retains his bald head when wished back to a first-grader. This implies that, unlike in the Dragon Ball filler, he has ALWAYS been bald!
Goten and Trunks appear to use baby telepathy to talk, similar to the 1999 movie Baby Geniuses.
Robo has been dealt significant psychic damage by KBABZ writing this entry.
Goku having trouble flying is very similar to him having trouble with teleporting as a kid in Dragon Ball GT.
Notably, only he and Piccolo have trouble, since they never learned to fly at that age. The fact that Vegeta brushes Goku's accomplishments off suggests that he had learned how to fly by that age.
We FINALLY get to see what young Mr. Popo looks like! Interestingly, he lost his turban and grew horns!
In this episode, Satan steals God. Well, a demon steals Dende, but close enough.
Goku saying this isn't the time for "Hi there"'s is an interesting contrast to the Saiyan Arc where, much to Kami's shock, he addresses the great King Yenma with a "yo". In fact, in the early run of the manga, there was a running gag of people remarking that Goku is too laid-back about weird things happening (such as the loss of his tail). This gag is largely not rendered in the English versions.
Daima features a trip to a new realm with a green archipelago biome by way of Bulma recovering and restoring an old ship from that new realm. This is the exact setup as the Namek Arc!
Unlike Goku in GT, in Daima Kibito has zero issues teleporting as a first-grader.
Oddly, after Kaioshin says "Well done" when Kibito returns with the ship, Kibito still says "I have returned". It's possible this is a subtitling issue; although Crunchyroll's subtitles are accurate and serviceable, they aren't without issues, usually with phrasing rather than translation. (Although as noted in episode 1, there are some occasional translation slip-ups.)
Kaioshin's ship has visual similarities to the Namekian ship used by Piccolo/Kami's original self, and thus of Namekian architecture as well. This makes sense considering they both originate from the Demon Realm, and connects back to a design style Toriyama first used with Piccolo Daimao's throne way back during that arc.
Strangely, the shots of Goku flying through the air uncontrollably have rapid focus changes that last a few frames.
Bulma has left baby Trunks with a babysitter. She's a MUCH more responsible mother than in the Android Arc, where she brought baby Trunks TO WHERE THE ANDROIDS WERE GOING TO ATTACK!
While this isn't the first time the Daima theme has been heard after the Episode 1 recap, the scene of Bulma inspecting Kaioshin's ship is the first very obvious instance, at least to KBABZ.
Bulma says it will take her about ten days to repair Kaioshin's spaceship. To compare, it took her six days to repair Piccolo/Kami's ship back in the Namek Arc, which may have had similar construction but was significantly less old. It's unknown how long it took Bulma to make the Octoship in Dragon Ball GT.
Goku shows two moments of heroism over a fight in this episode: he's concerned the Demon Realm trio will kill Dende, and when he accepts Glorio's offer later in the episode, he says "Let's go rescue Dende." despite also being excited at the prospect of fighting the Demon King.
Personal note from Robo: I think this speaks to Daima being a better-written show than Super generally was, in terms of characterisation. Goku isn't just a walking stereotype of who he was in previous iconic parts of the show, he's actually showing the growth of someone who lived through the old stories and is now on the other side of the Namek arc.
Goku having trouble with the length of his limbs has an amusing metatextual context. In the manga, Toriyama always had problems with how stubby Goku's limbs were, and extended them in action shots. For the 22nd Tournament, he kept this extension out of combat as well, but this still wasn't enough for him. So for the 23rd Tournament, Toriyama aged Goku into an adult, despite his editor insisting he shouldn't.
Goku snaps a column in half, just like Tao Pai-Pai once did (and miles above where Tao died, too!).
Goku once again flies off for Nyoi-bo without telling anyone what he's actually doing. This is the reverse of the end of the Daimao Arc, where he did that to his friends after retrieving Nyoi-bo from Kame House.
The tip of Karin's Tower has undergone a design change since the 80s and 90s, being taller than the simple onion-like shape it had before. This is however consistent with its depiction in Dragon Ball Super.
Speaking of, Nyoi-bo was depicted connecting Karin's Tower with Kami's Lookout in Dragon Ball Super: Super Hero.
Interestingly, the English subtitles use the Harmony Gold term "Flying Nimbus", but stick with "Nyoibo" instead of also using "Power Pole". There are several other inconsistencies as noted on Kanzenshuu's page for this episode.
Goku once again flies above The Land of Karin without popping by to say hello to Upa!
Karin mentions that he removed Nyoi-bo because nobody was using it to travel up to Kami's Lookout like Goku did at the end of the Daimao Arc (thanks Bukujutsu!). In the manga, the next time the reader can check for this is in Chapter 219 when Goku returns from Other World to Kami's Lookout in the Saiyan Arc, and in Chapter 220 when Goku gets two Senzu Beans from Karin. In both appearances, Nyoi-bo is missing, meaning Karin would have removed it sometime in the six year gap between the Daimao and Saiyan Arcs. It would take Goku another thirteen years to notice it was missing!
It's easy to miss, but one can spot Nyoi-bo being used for Roshi's laundry in the wide shot of Kame House!
Just like the end of the Daimao Arc, Goku searches for Nyoi-bo only to not find it in the place he thought it would be, then checks Kame House and finds it there!
This is the second time Roshi's forgotten about using a legendary object for a completely mundane utility: he once used the Basho Fan as a placemat, as revealed in the opening arc of the manga when Goku visits his place with Chi-chi.
Roshi still wears terrible Hawaiian shirts even as a first-grader.
First-grader Roshi bears a striking resemblance to Numbah One from Codename: Kids Next Door.
It's never shown where Roshi kept Nyoi-bo's sheath. If we had to guess, it was holding his toilet plunger.
In Daima, Nyoi-bo's sheath appears to be held on Goku's person via cloth. This differs from the anime, where they were rope-like strings.
Goku extending Nyoi-bo out to Piccolo's face is very appropriate: Piccolo Daimao was the last opponent Goku had used it against before he discarded it. (Unless Garlic Jr. counts – but it almost certainly doesn't.)
Also appropriately, Goku then reminisces about Nyoi-bo with Bulma, who was the very first person he used it against in the manga!
The colour of Nyoibo's sheath has changed from orange-brown to tan. In the Full Color manga, it's lavender!
Being Saiyans, Goku and Vegeta eat the most rudely, with Goku immediately ignoring his chopsticks and picking up food with his hands.
Piccolo meanwhile doesn't eat anything and instead just drinks some water. As explained by Dende in the Namek Arc, water is all a Namekian needs for sustenance.
Interestingly, Kibito and Kaioshin are not seen eating either, suggesting they have a similar property. This is substantiated in the ED, where Kaioshin is shown drinking from a water bottle alongside Piccolo.
Piccolo saying that Namekians don't like to be ruled is very appropriate, considering their attitude with Freeza's behaviour back when he went around demanding their Dragon Balls.
Strangely, Glorio's plane has no sound effects for two shots as it approaches Kami's Lookout.
The music at the end of Episode 2 is the first instance of a music track in Daima being used more than once, in this case being an edited-down version of the music from Episode 1's opening recap.
Goku shows fascination when flying in Glorio's plane, much like when he flew in the plane to the 21st Tenkaichi Budokai.
The fish being cooked in one of the end credits shots is YET AGAIN the River Fish that Goku kills in the first chapter of Dragon Ball.
Recurring death tallies:
River fish: 9 + the entire species
Chaozu: 3
Piccolo: 3
Krillin: 3
Vegeta: 2
Son Goku: 2
Tenshinhan: 2
Roshi: 2
Yamcha: 2
The moon: 2
In the same shot, Bulma is wearing a pink shirt with the number 40 on it, referencing Daima coming out in Dragon Ball's 40th anniversary year, 2024.
The Daima ED ends with white feathers blowing past Goku forming a large bird-like being. Somewhat coincidentally, the Boo Arc's ED, We Were Angels, used white feathers as a prominent motif for Goku's presence in Gohan's life after his death. It's unknown at this point if the feathers in Daima's ED represent anything or are otherwise important in any way.
The river shot of the ED shows something truly incredible: Goku wearing shorts!
Also in the ED, Hybis does not appear to be wearing anything whilst swimming in the river.
Panzy appears to have spare scarves, as two of them can be seen hanging from the washing line in the river shot of the ED.
Episode 447 - Daima(Daima episode 3) Originally aired 25th of October 2024
Written by: Yūko Kakihara
Episode director: Takao Kiriyama
Animation supervisor: Kozue Komatsu
Chief animation supervisor: Miyako Tsuji
Goku, Kaioshin, and Glorio head out to the "Demon Realm" first. Their plane travels through space and a mysterious dimension. They arrive at the entrance to the Demon Realm, the "Third Demon World"!
Spoiler:
Episode 3 begins with a truncated version of Episode 1's series recap. This makes Daima the first Dragon Ball series to regularly start this way, rather than recapping the preceding episode.
While it is a little bit south, the shot of Glorio's plane leaving Earth accurately depicts the continent it departed from. According to the Daizenshuu map, Karin's Tower (and thus Kami's Lookout) is around the northern "Mexico" part of the continent. In Daima, the plane is seen departing a little bit north of Babidi's spaceship (which is thematically appropriate we suppose!).
Nyoi-bo extending itself inside the plane is a rare instance of it doing so without Goku verbally commanding it to. This is actually a function of the original staff from Journey to the West, which was also able to change its width and overall scale. Monkey often shrunk it to the size of a toothpick and perched it on his ear, since he didn't have a sheath for it like Goku does.
Goku accidentally named King Gomah "King Tamah". This is a feminine Hebrew name that means innocent, honest and naive, a far cry from Gomah's character.
Goku makes no attempt to eat either of the giant waffle planets.
While Warp is typically animated in full CG, there are a few shots in this episode where his mouth is drawn in 2D like everything else. It occurs in the shots where he gets angry at Goku calling him a goldfish, where his mouth contorts and pinches into very extreme shapes.
Goku being super-casual about referring to Warp shows his hypocrisy considering his remark on Mr. Popo's greeting in the last episode.
Kaioshin refers to Warp with gender-neutral pronouns, implying it's either non-binary or considered more as a sentient, null-gendered object.
Kaioshin tells Goku to not tease Warp for looking like a goldfish. Goku employs Exact Logic and teases him for looking like a popeyed goldfish instead.
Glorio's PIN in this episode is 8821, which like with Gomah's PIN in Episode 1 doesn't appear to reference anything. However by an extraordinary co-incidence, the 2nd of February 1988 (ie "8822") is when Chapter 160 of the manga released, where Goku defeats Piccolo Daimao, the first demonic character in the series!
Goku gets spiral eyes in this episode whilst travelling through Warp, just like King Gomah did in Episode 1. Both are also shown on the right-hand side of the screen.
The three coloured portal doors inside Warp have differing amounts of slots on their panels, referring to which Demon World they take you to.
The smaller fish doesn't question any of the travellers, since Warp of course already did that as part of the travelling process.
Dragon Ball Daima has planes exiting out of Warp's butthole. Incidentally, "goldfish poop gang" is a term that refers to a completely useless trio of villainous characters, like the Pilaf Gang!
Kaioshin refers to "when he was young". Obviously, he means the first time he was young.
Throwing up a peace sign and with his a large cape, the statue of King Dabura bears more than a passing resemblance to Mr. Satan.
Goku asks Glorio for permission to breath the air of a foreign land. By comparison, Gohan and Krillin just casually go outside when first landing on Namek, to Bulma's terror.
Goku acts decidedly more childish in Daima after being wished back into a child. This aligns with GT and Super, where those in this situation also tend to act more like kids despite retaining the memories and experiences of their total lives.
With the speed the bandits arrows travel, it's debatable how effective they would be at penetrating objects. That said, the audio implies that they're rather heavy.
We never actually see the effects of Glorio shooting at the bandits. His shots impact the rocks, but we don't see if this actually killed the bandits, or sufficiently scared them away.
Glorio notably doesn't ask nicely for things, instead bluntly stating what he wants.
The Third Demon World bar serves up a hamburger, a rather western-oriented food choice. We initially postulated this might have been done intentionally to contrast with the eastern food typically consumed in the Living World, such as the takeaway everybody ate in Episode 2—but Goku is actually served hamburgers in episode 1!
The Demon World hamburgers appear to have double of things: the buns have two mounds, and there's two meat patties and two tomato slices in them. This isn't what we mean by a Double Whopper!
Goku asking what meat is in the hamburgers is rather funny when one realizes that hamburgers typically don't have ham in them!
Much like Piccolo, Kaioshin, and Kibito, Glorio is only seen drinking water. That said, he never stated if he was hungry.
During the bar fight, Goku does a rapid backflip-like move away from the camera. This is similar to in the second Dragon Ball Z movie, The World's Strongest, only there Goku is backflipping towards the camera before slipping and falling on his head (as seen in the Rock the Dragon intro).
As revealed by the shots of their room, neither Goku nor Kaioshin appear to wear socks.
In the shot of Kaioshin opening the door to their room, the door is CG with wood texture detailing. However when they exit the hotel itself, the doors are drawn very simply like the characters are.
The note left by the demons who stole Glorio's plane is written in horizontally-flipped katakana. According to Kanzenshuu, it roughly means "We're taking your ship, losers".
Thus far, Daima appears to be following the same structure as GT:
Ep1: Goku is turned into a kid after a sparring match by a short character using the Dragon Balls at Kami's Lookout.
Ep2: Plans are made to leave earth with a vehicle referred to as a spaceship, courtesy of Bulma.
Ep3: Goku, as part of a trio, arrives at a town where they are overcharged for their hotel, and the ship is stolen.
Ep4: Goku goes after the thieves to retake his ship, and meets a new friend.
You and KBABZ are truly the dream team when it comes to this stuff.
This thread will be a fantastic resource for any and all Daima info for future wikis, etc (could also be invaluable for the long awaited Kanzenshuu version ).
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Dragon Ball Ireland wrote: Sat Oct 26, 2024 6:25 am
Glad to see Dragon Ball trivia make a return .
You and KBABZ are truly the dream team when it comes to this stuff.
This thread will be a fantastic resource for any and all Daima info for future wikis, etc (could also be invaluable for the long awaited Kanzenshuu version ).
Good to see you again! I think I'd like to do one final pass once the series is over, since I'm sure there'll be some retroactive trivia like with the one wish for first-timers twist in Episode 2. Plus of course there'll be info that we'll get wrong, that's just how this goes sometimes.
Robo4900 wrote: Fri Oct 25, 2024 5:50 pm
[*] The view of Earth uses the same design as the world map from the Daizenshuu, including the rough distribution of arid and lush areas. We're not too familiar with Super so we don't know if that show ever did this, but it's super-cool to see it in Daima.
I may need to find some time to spotcheck Super but I do recall there was one shot of the Earth early or about halfway into the Battle of Gods arc which depicts the planet having the same geography as Earth in real life, specifically showing Bulma's cruise ship birthday party was taking place in the Caribbean.
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Robo4900 wrote: Fri Oct 25, 2024 5:50 pm
[*] The view of Earth uses the same design as the world map from the Daizenshuu, including the rough distribution of arid and lush areas. We're not too familiar with Super so we don't know if that show ever did this, but it's super-cool to see it in Daima.
I may need to find some time to spotcheck Super but I do recall there was one shot of the Earth early or about halfway into the Battle of Gods arc which depicts the planet having the same geography as Earth in real life, specifically showing Bulma's cruise ship birthday party was taking place in the Caribbean.
The confuses and annoys the shit outta me and I only just heard of it now!
Robo4900 wrote: Fri Oct 25, 2024 5:50 pm
[*] The view of Earth uses the same design as the world map from the Daizenshuu, including the rough distribution of arid and lush areas. We're not too familiar with Super so we don't know if that show ever did this, but it's super-cool to see it in Daima.
I may need to find some time to spotcheck Super but I do recall there was one shot of the Earth early or about halfway into the Battle of Gods arc which depicts the planet having the same geography as Earth in real life, specifically showing Bulma's cruise ship birthday party was taking place in the Caribbean.
The confuses and annoys the shit outta me and I only just heard of it now!
Had a peep at a random episode, and as luck would have it I guessed the exact one - episode 6, at the beginning just after the opening scene on Kaio's planet.
Looks like North America in real life but the US is a lot smaller and Mexico is much bigger:
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I may need to find some time to spotcheck Super but I do recall there was one shot of the Earth early or about halfway into the Battle of Gods arc which depicts the planet having the same geography as Earth in real life, specifically showing Bulma's cruise ship birthday party was taking place in the Caribbean.
The confuses and annoys the shit outta me and I only just heard of it now!
Had a peep at a random episode, and as luck would have it I guessed the exact one - episode 6, at the beginning just after the opening scene on Kaio's planet.
Looks like North America in real life but the US is a lot smaller and Mexico is much bigger:
In the usual tradition, there's more Missed Trivia that I thought of! Hopefully Robo can include these in the original posts:
Daima marks the first time Toriyama-penned Dragon Ball works have visited all regions of a single universe:
Other World - Saiyan Arc
Hell - Resurrection "F"
Kaio Realm - Boo Arc
Living World - Pilaf Arc
Demon Realm - Daima
While the Kaio Realm exists independently of Other World, the Demon Realm is considered to be part of the Living World.
Goku complaining about Gohan being distant is very ironic considering he habitually doesn't keep in touch with his friends between arcs, most famously not even speaking to Bulma for five years prior to End of Z.
The Third Demon World bar serves up a hamburger, a rather western-oriented food choice. This may have been done intentionally to contrast with the eastern food typically consumed in the Living World, such as the takeout everybody ate in Episode 2.
The note left by the demons who stole Glorio's plane is written in horizontally-flipped katakana. According to Kanzenshuu, it roughly means "We're taking your ship, losers".
Added to the OP, with a correction – corrections issued by KBABZ herself, in fact.
The Third Demon World bar serves up a hamburger, a rather western-oriented food choice. We initially postulated this might have been done intentionally to contrast with the eastern food typically consumed in the Living World, such as the takeaway everybody ate in Episode 2—but Goku is actually served hamburgers in episode 1!
She also rewrote the entry about Goku backflipping:
During the bar fight, Goku does a rapid backflip-like move away from the camera. This is similar to in the second Dragon Ball Z movie, The World's Strongest, only there Goku is backflipping towards the camera before slipping and falling on his head (as seen in the Rock the Dragon intro).
KBABZ and I seem to be almost the only ones posting in this thread, but looking at the view counter, we've already passed 300 views. Thanks, faithful viewers. Don't hesitate to leave feedback, comments, and criticisms. Maybe some trivia of your own we may have missed! We might add it to our main listing if we like it.
The point of Dragon Ball is to enjoy it. Never lose sight of that.
With Dragon Ball Daima taking place in AGE 775, only AGE 777 remains uneventful (from Majin Buu saga to Movie 14). Although at this point, I won't be surprised if they set a timeskip and reveal that stuff happened in that year (AGE 783 is also uneventful from Majin Buu saga to the 28th tournament).
To be fair I was referring to the manga Full Colours, but Toriyama did do that when inking him. Which, btw, the Full Colour manga deviates from by giving Raditz's scouter a green visor to match the anime... but kept his bands white instead of changing it to red. Which DB Online also did.
Spoiler:
My point being that the exact colours stuff is has ALWAYS been arbitrary, from the very beginning with Goku's gi and Bulma's hair.
Koitsukai wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2024 11:20 am
I think it's safe to say Toriyama re-watched GT at some point when writing Daima, right?
Oh, definitely. Daima quite clearly strikes me as him taking the same ideas Toei played with in GT, ripping out all the floor boards and doing his own thing with it. But it's all the same foundations.
The point of Dragon Ball is to enjoy it. Never lose sight of that.
Koitsukai wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2024 11:20 am
I think it's safe to say Toriyama re-watched GT at some point when writing Daima, right?
Oh, definitely. Daima quite clearly strikes me as him taking the same ideas Toei played with in GT, ripping out all the floor boards and doing his own thing with it. But it's all the same foundations.
It's possible, we may never know for sure, but based on what Toriyama said about Broly I think it's likely. He has said he rarely watches the anime but if that movie is anything to go by ideas are suggested and then he watches some of the classic anime content to refresh his memory if it's a familiar idea amongst fans.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:
"Everyone, are you familiar with Broly?
He’s an incredibly strong Saiyan who only appeared in the old anime movies, and I apparently at least drew the designs for him, but I had practically no involvement with the anime at the time, so I had totally forgotten about the story content.
So, about Broly. I hear these days, he’s still very popular not only in Japan, but also overseas. Based on that, my editor suggested we have Broly appear in this next movie.
I went ahead and watched the movies from back then, and I felt this could be quite interesting once I rearrange some things. I got right to work trying my hand at a story that incorporates him into the Dragon Ball Super series.
While keeping in mind Broly’s classic image so as not to disappoint his fans, I updated him and added a new side to his character, and I think this has resulted in a more fascinating Broly.
Naturally you’ll get to see fierce combat, but also, the paths of destiny that lead to an encounter between Goku, Vegeta, and Broly. It also involves the Frieza Force and the history of the Saiyans, which end up having a major connection to everything. The story content turns out to be very large-scale and dramatic.
Here comes that almighty Saiyan, Broly! I’m also including lots of other content all you fans will enjoy, so look forward to it, and be patient a while longer for it all to come together!!"
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I mean, I really like GT and have watched it countless times but even I would need to re-watch it again in order to come up with so many references.
The trivia mentions a land of the giants for the Norse mythology... GT had Dentist Goku on a planet with gigantic things. I wouldn't be surprised if... well, you know. Maybe Goku will be a cardiologist this time.
Koitsukai wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2024 3:17 pm
I mean, I really like GT and have watched it countless times but even I would need to re-watch it again in order to come up with so many references.
Very true. If you were watching it specifically for research... maybe made some notes for yourself as well, you'd probably have an easy time of it. Otherwise... I mean, I doubt Toriyama had watched it since it went out. (And maybe not then, even.) So a rewatch of some sort may have been pretty much mandatory for him.
Koitsukai wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2024 3:17 pm
The trivia mentions a land of the giants for the Norse mythology... GT had Dentist Goku on a planet with gigantic things. I wouldn't be surprised if... well, you know. Maybe Goku will be a cardiologist this time.
Y'know. I was tempted to go into further detail there. I didn't, and maybe I should have. I thought maybe it was too much to go into in the trivia, so I'll go into it here—
It's conventional to say the Jǫtnar (singular: Jǫtun) of Norse Myths are "giants." I believe this comes from the way the myths bled into English folklore, and how the English equivalents would be giants—but in actuality, there's no reason to believe the Jǫtnar really are "giant." Dr. Jackson Crawford has in the past suggested a better term would be the "anti-gods"; because the fact is, they seem to be physically the same as the Æsir and the Vanir, but they're more like a different "family" or "tribe" of gods, who are typically the enemy of the good gods. (But not always. Loki's father was a giant, Týr's mother was one, Freyr married a giant, and Thor had a son with a giant, just for a few examples.)
But in practically every translation of the original myths (including Dr. Crawford's own translation of the Poetic Edda), the Jǫtnar are called giants, that's the most familiar name, and I wanted to pretty quickly describe the meaning of the name Jǫtunheim (Jǫtun-heim = giants'-home) without getting into something the scholars are still arguing about. Besides, most people are only exposed to these myths through adaptations (such as the loose inspiration taken by Marvel, or a certain book by a recently-disgraced fantasy author) which uncritically depict the Jǫtnar as giants.
As a fellow Dragon Ball fan, I'm sure you can appreciate this torrent of bullshit about something as simple as a name. (*cough*, One-Star Dragon, aka Yi Xing Long, aka Ii Shinron, aka Syn Shenron, aka Omega Shenron *cough*)
All that said—if Toriyama does indeed give us a land of giants, I'll still claim I noscoped it. ;p
The point of Dragon Ball is to enjoy it. Never lose sight of that.
So, the first three episodes of Daima almost resemble (but not entirely) the first three episodes of DBGT (which is why Daima is referred to as DBGT 2.0 by fans before Daima's premiere), am I right?
完 全 集 で 大 闘 伝 D a i t o u d e n o n K a n z e n s h u u
The name "Daitouden" ("大闘伝") is derived from the word "Butouden" ("武闘伝"). "Butouden" is taken from the names of Dragon Ball games that use that word (the Super Butouden games for the Super Famicom/Super NES and the Sega Saturn exclusive Shin Butouden). The name ("Daitouden") replaces the "bu" ("武", meaning military, martial) kanji with the "dai" ("大", meaning big, large, great) kanji, forming the name "Daitouden". "Daitouden" literally means "great fighting legend" or "great fighting story".
It's comparable to the origin of the name "Nintendo" ("任天堂"), which is derived from the phrase "Leave luck to heaven" (「運を天に任せる。」, Un o ten ni makaseru). In a literal sense, "Nintendo" means "Temple of Heaven Under Duty".
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