Dragon Ball Daima: Episode 5 - Official Discussion Thread

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Dragon Ball Daima: Episode 5

パンジ
Panji
Panzy

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Kanzenshuu Episode Guide Page:

https://www.kanzenshuu.com/episode/daima/eps-005/

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Release Information:

JAPAN:
Date: November 8, 2024
Time: 11:40 p.m
Channel: Fuji TV

INTERNATIONAL STREAMING:
Date: November 8, 2024
Sources: Simulcast streams include Crunchyroll (North America, Central America, South America, Europe, Africa, Australia, New Zealand, Indian subcontinent, Southeast Asia, and Middle East); delayed streams include Netflix (Asia/global)

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[AliTheZombie13]

Good:
- Best paced episode so far, every explanation felt natural and organic.
- We finally got an explanation as to why the villains kidnapped Dende.
- The fight scene at the end seriously makes me doubt Toriyama's claims that Kid Goku can't have dynamic fight scenes.
- Looks like Daima finally stopped using GT's plot as reference and veered off into its own thing. I'm curious to know where it goes next.

Misc:
- "I'm already married and have kids." I'm surprised you remember them... Shit, I'm confusing you with Super Goku.

[JulieYBM]

Every girl needs her twink best friend!

I really enjoyed all the Panzy scenes. I wish she was allowed to be good at combat, though. Still, I hope she gets to do cool stuff during fights.

Gokuu straight up being friends with a girl feels like something that were haven't really seen before? Panzy is older than Gokuu, but they feel more like peers, and Panzy doesn't consider him a pest. It's a new dynamic for them. Now that Panzy is there to be a mechandic for a ship that just crashed, I'm curious if we're going to learn in the next episode that the ship will need to hover close to the ground because of safety reasons, which would thus mean that the characters have to be more active, even if they now have a portable shelter?

Also, I feel like I should have seen Panzy being the princess of Kadan Castle coming, but I'm glad that I didn't. This nearly ties the plot together a bit better, too.

Shin connecting the dots is finally beginning to go somewhere, which I'm glad for. Glorio approaching the king with his plan seems to line up more with where we first saw him in Episode #1. So, is the defeat of Gomah or Degesu purely a desire for Glorio, or does he have an unseen comrades?


Super Saiyan Son Gokuu (Mini) Appears!

If I recall correctly, Dragon Ball GT Episode #5 is also the first appearance of Super Saiyan in that series. What a funny coincidence! I don't recall if Super Saiyan appeared in the first four episodes of Dragon Ball Super, either, though. Episode #5 was Gokuu's first battle with Beers, after all.

[Neo-Makaiōshin]

If I recall correctly, Dragon Ball GT Episode #5 is also the first appearance of Super Saiyan in that series. What a funny coincidence! I don't recall if Super Saiyan appeared in the first four episodes of Dragon Ball Super, either, though. Episode #5 was Gokuu's first battle with Beers, after all.

Goku goes SS to do a short training on episode 1 while he lets Goten drive the farm truck.

[JulieYBM]

If I recall correctly, Dragon Ball GT Episode #5 is also the first appearance of Super Saiyan in that series. What a funny coincidence! I don't recall if Super Saiyan appeared in the first four episodes of Dragon Ball Super, either, though. Episode #5 was Gokuu's first battle with Beers, after all.

Goku goes SS to do a short training on episode 1 while he lets Goten drive the farm truck.

damn FAKE fan julie proven wrong yet again

(Thanks, I completely forgot about that scene! What a weird time to have Gokuu transform! And it didn't even look cool!)

[MisteryOne]

Thia episode ended way too fast. Which I guess it's a good thing, as it didn't drag on. But I liked the previous one more.

I'm not really a fan of them losing the plane again, it feels rather forced. I'm all for exploring the world, but they could have just said the King didn't have any and that they were not willing to wait for him to get one (the one the Kibito crew will apparently use has to be stolen already anyways...). I knew it was going to happen the moment they mentioned it was four whole days but like, you could be more elegant with it?

Super Saiyan also felt amazingly random, even through the fight scene was cool, albeit a bit unnecesary (the King believes they defeated Majin Buu and knows they are confident in taking on the Tamagami, but he wants them to "prove" their strength against random soldiers?) Panzy being a princess is also like the most generic thing ever, but I guess it was for the sake of the story's flow.

It's interesting all Majins have some kind of magic by nature, because it means Glorio also does. Hopefully it isn't completely useless in battle. It's also a bit lame Shin still doesn't fight at all.

Those are minor nitpicks tho. I still love the dynamics between Goku and Panzy, and Glorio is still the funniest member of the group with his attitude, I loved his Rohan-esque "I refuse". They have also gotten better with their exposition not feeling as forced. And it seems like we are already getting a fight with the minotaur from the opening? I assumed it would be more important.

One more thing to mention: I keep loving the episode titles. They are unlike most of DB's anime but that's a great thing because they don't get old fast. They are a good way to represent the pace of the series. The designs are also still a highlight, the King was pure Dragon Quest. That armor is definetly Toriyama. It's funny this weird midquel of a midquel story gets better and more detailed designs than the ToP ever did.

[The Iron Fjord]

Another exposition episode, not as good as episode 4, but still decent enough. Panzy brings a lot more energy to the group and I like the budding friendship she's forming with Goku. Toriyama really likes using tomboy princesses (Chi-Chi, Marle from Chrono Trigger, Ann from Sand Land, and now Panzy). King Kadan is a really nice guy for a Demon King Mafia Don guy who plays gold using demon skulls, and we finally meet the penguin guy for the first time, off to go pick up Bulma, Vegeta, and Piccolo. The story really does love kneecapping the heroes though, first their ship gets stolen, now their new plane breaks down.

The action sequence was alright and even if they did show Goku going SSJ, at least it was just for a split second, showing Goku's gotta train more before he can do that fully in his mini-form (really going for the JRPG level up stuff here, makes me really want them to make an actual Daima RPG). Next episode shows more training, and fighting that randomly placed Bull demon in the intro so Daima's molasses-like pace is really showing here (not that I'm complaining).

Also I love this lady here, wish we'll get more of her.

[StaticMania]

That episode went by in a flash.

So this is the first appearance of Super Saiyan in the series...gotta say, that felt pretty random. No one really commented on it, which is fine I guess. But it is weird that Goku just transforms here because he let himself get pinned and then it cuts back to him already de-transformed.

I like Panzy's interactions with Goku. From what we've seen from the intro it we only got a glimpse of what it might be, but it was pretty cute. Goku saying that he'll protect her after the King worries about her being a burden to them was a nice moment, she didn't even take offense to it. I was a bit surprised they did a..."older than they appear" bit with her but then immediately went "no, but she's still a child".

Goku was a lot more lax here than in previous episodes, outside of him speaking without thinking and revealing where they were going to Panzy. He's just calm and helpfully explains what he can when asked. He still shows a bit of curiosity but in a more understated way. Nonchalantly explaining that he has a wife and kids after being offered marriage...sounds familiar, but I might be thinking of something else.

And we get to delve into Shin's distrust of Glorio, when it was just 2 minor scenes before.

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Amazing. 5 episodes in and we just now get to the justification for Bulma and the others being able to make it there with no trouble, since that was left open for a bit. 4 episodes later and we finally have the first real cut away from the protagonists, but it's a single scene that explains what the villains are doing with Dende.

This is my only real complaint with the series so far, I want to see a bit more from the others. It's been fine in this and the previous episode, but by now I would really want to check back in on Earth (which may be in the next episode) or the villains a little more than what we got here.

[nato25]

All good points.

Not sure why people were expecting Super Saiyan to be a big deal, are people forgetting this is a pretty close follow up to Z where going super Saiyan was like flicking a switch.

Seems Goku still can't maintain it or has to work a bit harder for it based on the animation (which was immaculate again this episode)

I'm glad we picked up the pace, the first half was all on foot journeying again but I was glad to see the castle and then everything that came after.

I think the King just wanted to see Goku's strength for himself. If someone just told you they were the strongest in the world would you just believe them or test them if you had the means?

Lastly I think Glorio wants to wish someone back from the dead, probably what that stake with the blue scarf on it in the opening represents but that's my theory. He will want to do an oolong and jump in for the wish.

Keep it up Daima!!!

[PerhapsTheOtherOne]

Panzy is really taking up the Bulma role here, being a powerful plucky tech-based heir.

I honestly didn't see her relation to King Kadan coming at all, but it makes a lot of sense in hindsight.

Also interesting how the idea of training to get stronger seems like such a foreign concept to Demons. Seems like Goku is truly one of a kind in Universe 7 for striving to improve himself for its own sake.

Also good to see Shin referring to himself as Shin.

[JulieYBM]

I was expecting the moment to be directed more dramatically, like when Gokuu showed off Super Saiyan to Tarble back in the 2008 special, but it's hardly a big deal.

I still want Gokuu to face an oponent that amounts to more than just a bunch of nameless mob characters, though.

[nineko]

Much better episode, with a much better dialogue about the Glind race, they should have done it in this way from the start. I'm finally starting to like this, and I look forward to the reunion of the cast.

Also, they once again forgot about the Namekian dragon balls, since apparently rescuing Dende or fighting the Tamagamis are the only two viable options, even though Neo Namek is just one Kai Kai away.

Gokuu straight up being friends with a girl feels like something that were haven't really seen before?

Well, there was Snow:

[LightBing]

Like always it was over before I noticed.

Panzy joined pretty easily. Wish she was a combatant instead of Demon Realm Bulma, specially since the latter is joining. I guess they'll have a lot of reasons for bonding.

Wish, Shin did a bit more. I was happy to see him as a main character to develop, so far he's only there as an anchor.

[Majin Buu]

This was my favorite episode so far. The gags were great and the exposition felt naturally delivered. This is the first episode that felt solidly paced.

I'm liking Panzy. She brings energy to the group like Goku does. We now have the energetic Goku and Panzy balancing out the more serious Kaioshin and Glorio. I like this setup. And like I suspected, she gets along well with Goku, I like that they're friends.

I also like that the reveal that Panzy is a princess was preceded by Glorio saying she probably won't be allowed into the castle and then immediately being proven wrong to his visible annoyance. It feels like the show is starting to play Glorio as the "comically serious", starting with the running gag of Goku getting his name wrong. It works, I like it.

King Kaden offering Panzy to Goku as a future bride only for Goku to say "um, I'm married with kids" was great. Kaden and Panzy were all like "what the hell?"

We now know how the rest of the crew are gonna get past Warp, that's good. Too bad Kaden had to steal Hybis a suitable ship first....

Kaioshin's suspicions about Glorio are coming to a head. Thinking about it, it makes sense that the guy who's job is to watch over the mortal world would be observant enough to catch someone in a lie. Looks like it might result in a fight.

Sticking with Kaioshin, I liked that smirk he was giving during Goku's demonstration while everyone else was reacting with shock. That smirk was saying "Yeah, that's exactly what it was like when I first saw this guy's strength myself". Watching this episode made me realize that Goku never had any kind of interpersonal dynamic with Kaioshin like he's had with say Kaio or Beerus. Daima paring these two together gives them that kind of interpersonal bond. They're travel buddies, so to speak.

The demonstration gave us our first peek at Super Saiyan. I liked it, it didn't overstay its welcome. I got the sense that its brief appearance was a "I'm getting back into form" signifier of sorts and that next time it appears he'll be in it for longer.

Their second ship is wrecked. Is something going to happen to every ship they manage to acquire? That could be an amusing running gag depending on how they approach it.

So Gohma has plans for Dende, to have him create new Dragon Balls. Interesting.

[JulieYBM]

Much better episode, with a much better dialogue about the Glind race, they should have done it in this way from the start. I'm finally starting to like this, and I look forward to the reunion of the cast.

Also, they once again forgot about the Namekian dragon balls, since apparently rescuing Dende or fighting the Tamagamis are the only two viable options, even though Neo Namek is just one Kai Kai away.

Gokuu straight up being friends with a girl feels like something that were haven't really seen before?

Well, there was Snow:

Snow was a glorified side character who didn't really participate much in the plot or interact in any role beyond being a character for Gokuu to talk to to advance the plot, as far as I can remember. Panzy feels substantially more characterized and defined insofar.

[MisteryOne]

All good points.

Not sure why people were expecting Super Saiyan to be a big deal, are people forgetting this is a pretty close follow up to Z where going super Saiyan was like flicking a switch.

I think the King just wanted to see Goku's strength for himself. If someone just told you they were the strongest in the world would you just believe them or test them if you had the means?

Lastly I think Glorio wants to wish someone back from the dead, probably what that stake with the blue scarf on it in the opening represents but that's my theory. He will want to do an oolong and jump in for the wish.

Keep it up Daima!!!

I don't think people really wanted it to be a big deal narrative-wise, just as JulieYBM said just be more dramatic in terms of presentation. Here he uses it against random mobs for no real reason at all since it disappears as quickly as it shows up. If he really has problems transforming, kudos to the writers, but we have not seen any hint of it at all so far-they specifically have issues flying and judging distances when kicking/punching, but that makes sense with a smaller body. So it felt really random because it was there, but also wasn't enough time onscreen to even make a difference. The trailers alone already had more fanfare to the transformatiom.

The problem is that the King believed them to be the same ones who defeated Majin Buu, he never doubted that after he was told they were turned into children. It isn't just Goku and Shin saying "hey we are very strong guys", it's Glorio telling him "I can bring very strong guys", him agreeing, then saying himself when talking about the Tamagamis "Well, you did defeat Majin Buu after all..."So it's a weird mix of him believing them, but still wanting to test them with random soldiers. If he had done it himself or there wasn't such an overstated difference in power between the Tamagami and everyone else, it would be better. As it stands now, what did he expect? Maybe Goku could defeat his soldiers but be nothing for Buu or the Tamagami. They didn't really prove anything and he trusted them right away. He was even previously told he had defeated the police and saved Panzy. Personally, I would have just had Shin be the one fighting: if the guy who says that he's just there for support shows to be powerful, that would already make Goku look strong himself. Even that wouldn't fix the king's weird trust however, he even tells his soldiers Goku is the strongest in the world, but still wants to test him.

(Again neither of those are big deals, mind you, just giving my reasonings. The fighting just felt like a mandate check. For the record, I would indeed love if Goku could just not use Super Saiyan at will.)

About Glorio, that would be quite interesting. I'm really hoping he is not

Spoiler:

Dabura's potential child whose existence is hinted at Sparking Zero

, but he is definetly hiding more than what even Shin expects: after all he was at Gomah's palace on the first Demon world. But Shin made a big deal out of those circles separating the three worlds. At the same time, he's clearly not a public figure, given no one reacts to him or his name like if he is special. Really intrigued about his role.

This being Dragonball, I doubt the mentioned evil third eye or whatever is called won't come into play in some way or another however, so maybe it's also related to that.

[StaticMania]

The king could've also...simply wanted to see Goku's prowess in action even if he already believes the claims about him. It's a test, but it's also just a showcase of his abilities.

He offered for his men to fight without their weapons, so clearly he just wanted to see what Goku can do in general...not display whether he was capable or not.

[MisteryOne]

The king could've also...simply wanted to see Goku's prowess in action even if he already believes the claims about him. It's a test, but it's also just a showcase of his abilities.

He offered for his men to fight without their weapons, so clearly he just wanted to see what Goku can do in general...not display whether he was capable or not.

But that is not what is said. Unless the Spanish subtitles are wrong, he quite literally says "But before that...I still don't believe in your strength".

So it isn't just a showcase or because he wants to see him in action specifically. If anything, you are pointing out even more how he contradicts himself.

[nineko]

But Shin made a big deal out of those circles separating the three worlds.

Yeah, about those, I think we can safely assume that once our heroes win (and let's be honest, they are going to win), those barriers are going to be disabled, and the three worlds connected, like when Enki won the final tournament in Yu Yu Hakusho and (how shocking) unificated three demon kingdoms, sure they weren't worlds in YYH, but yeah, here's a semi-precedent.

[Yuji]

Definitely the best episode yet.

I really hope they expand on why nobody in the Demon World seems to know or care about Kaioshin authority. It's probably the only thing keeping me interested in seeing Shin in this story.

Third episode in a row where Goku fights a random group of mooks. I'm sure one of these got the point across, three is unnecessary.

Loved Panzy as a character.