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Would you be ok with SD-blurays?

Post by eledoremassis02 » Fri Mar 14, 2025 4:55 pm

This isnt so much about what masters would be used but more about space.

I've been a big fan of Discotek's full series in SD on one or two discs. I would love if more places started doing this more. It would allow for more audio and bonus features and it saves a lot more space!

Dragon Ball does take up a lot of space and I think it's a happy medium between physical and streaming where you can just put one disc in and have like 50 or so episodes play without having to get up and change discs.

Would you be ok with a SD-Bluray for parts of the series that dont have HD masters available?

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Post by Vegeta th3 4th » Fri Mar 14, 2025 4:57 pm

If we can't get a proper remaster and color correct, then yes, an SD-Blu-ray would be acceptable assuming it's the dragon box masters.

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Post by Dragon Ball Ireland » Fri Mar 14, 2025 6:47 pm

I would be okay with them, if the video tracks were just Funimation's raws or colour corrected Dragon Box, like the Seed of Might releases.

A true HD remaster using the original Japanese film masters from TOEI would of course be preferrable, but SD Blu-Ray using the above would be "good enough". It would be a solid way to watch the show and recommend to other people as we'd be getting the best possible representation of the show given the sources Crunchyroll has.

On the dub side SD Blu-Ray would also be great for things like the Saban and Westwood dubs which I believe were edited on digibeta.
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Post by Zephyr » Fri Mar 14, 2025 6:54 pm

I still watch DVDs just fine, so yeah I'd totally be fine with this.

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Post by Vegeta th3 4th » Fri Mar 14, 2025 6:59 pm

Dragon Ball Ireland wrote: Fri Mar 14, 2025 6:47 pmI would be okay with them, if the video tracks were just Funimation's raws or colour corrected Dragon Box, like the Seed of Might releases.
It's such a shame that a franchise this big can only be properly experienced through a fan project.

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Post by TechExpert2021 » Fri Mar 14, 2025 7:19 pm

I would prefer the classic 1986-1997 DB anime series (DB/Z/GT, the 13 movies, and TV specials) to be digitally scanned and remastered in 4K and released on 4K Blu-rays, if possible.

But since 4K Blu-rays are locked at 16:9 (I'm not sure if they actually are locked at 16:9), Toei or Crunchyroll can just put in black pillar boxes to the sides of the 16:9 image in a home video release of a 4:3 DB anime series.
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TechExpert2021 wrote: Fri Mar 14, 2025 7:19 pmI would prefer the classic 1986-1997 DB anime series (DB/Z/GT, the 13 movies, and TV specials) to be digitally scanned and remastered in 4K and released on 4K Blu-rays, if possible.
They should also be color corrected. If a group of fans can do it, so can a multi-million $$$ company like Toei. Considering what an amazing job Seed of Might did on DB and GT's color correcting, why doesn't Toei just hire them and put their release out officially ?

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Post by Saiya6Cit » Fri Mar 14, 2025 8:01 pm

If it is uncensored, I am in.

I don't mind how many discs they are.

See star wars edition of episodes IV V VI and I II and III in blu ray. How many discs would DB be?

Also... I want DB, DBZ and DBGT oh and Daima!

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Post by TechExpert2021 » Fri Mar 14, 2025 8:23 pm

Vegeta th3 4th wrote: Fri Mar 14, 2025 7:35 pm
TechExpert2021 wrote: Fri Mar 14, 2025 7:19 pmI would prefer the classic 1986-1997 DB anime series (DB/Z/GT, the 13 movies, and TV specials) to be digitally scanned and remastered in 4K and released on 4K Blu-rays, if possible.
They should also be color corrected. If a group of fans can do it, so can a multi-million $$$ company like Toei. Considering what an amazing job Seed of Might did on DB and GT's color correcting, why doesn't Toei just hire them and put their release out officially ?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Toei doesn't accept fan-sourced material of their animated properties to use in official release material (be it on home video or streaming), whether it's by them or a foreign licensor. For instance, AB Groupe got in trouble with Toei for using the fan-restored Japanese broadcast audio on their Blu-ray release of the 1986 DB anime.
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Post by Vegeta th3 4th » Fri Mar 14, 2025 8:26 pm

TechExpert2021 wrote: Fri Mar 14, 2025 8:23 pmCorrect me if I'm wrong, but I think Toei doesn't accept fan-sourced material of their animated properties to use in official release material (be it on home video or streaming), whether it's by them or a foreign licensor.
They've never outright admitted this, but you're correct. With that said, if they were to hire the Seed of Might team, then it technically would no longer be a fan project, as they'd be officially working under Toei. I've read about video game companies hiring talented modders, so I don't see why an animation company wouldn't do the same.

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Post by Dragon Ball Ireland » Sat Mar 15, 2025 3:02 am

TechExpert2021 wrote: Fri Mar 14, 2025 8:23 pmFor instance, AB Groupe got in trouble with Toei for using the fan-restored Japanese broadcast audio on their Blu-ray release of the 1986 DB anime.
They didn't, the reason the second box set hasn't come was to do with the footage, not the audio.

AB Groupe wanted raw Dragon Box masters, but TOEI told them to use the Selecta Vision masters, which they absolutely refused to do, and so the second Blu-Ray set is in limbo.
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Post by Vegeta th3 4th » Sat Mar 15, 2025 5:41 am

Dragon Ball Ireland wrote: Sat Mar 15, 2025 3:02 am They didn't, the reason the second box set hasn't come was to do with the footage, not the audio.

AB Groupe wanted raw Dragon Box masters, but TOEI told them to use the Selecta Vision masters, which they absolutely refused to do, and so the second Blu-Ray set is in limbo.
Why not just use the Select Vision masters as a base then go from there ? isn't that how they did it with the first set ?

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Post by Vegard Aune » Sat Mar 15, 2025 8:34 am

Vegeta th3 4th wrote: Sat Mar 15, 2025 5:41 am Why not just use the Select Vision masters as a base then go from there ? isn't that how they did it with the first set ?
For the very simple reason that the Selecta Vision masters look really bad. AB's own remaster, despite being based off compressed DVD-rips rather than using the uncompressed Dragon Box source files, is still vastly superior.

As for the initial question: Sure. If they're not gonna do a native HD rescan, SD BDs with potentially higher bitrate than DVD will allow for and tons of episodes on each disc seems like a perfectly reasonable handling.

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Post by AliTheZombie13 » Sat Mar 15, 2025 10:58 am

Toei gets offended when fan-made content is made available as official?
Somebody should tell them about the official Sailor Moon stuff that aired here then.
Or the Saint Seiya stuff.
Or the OG Dragon Ball stuff, complete with what we like to call "low-quality muffled audio obviously downloaded from the Internet."
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Post by LostTimeLord » Sun Mar 16, 2025 12:23 pm

I don't think Dragon ball particularly suits SD-BD. Every mainline entry in the franchise exists on either film or HD, and even some of the material that only theoretically exists in HD (i.e. the first anime) has been released upscaled. SD-BD isn't something to strive for if a decent upscale is on the table. Yes, you'd have to swap discs less often, but even on Marathon Mode the Dragon Ball BDs have comfortably held three hours of episodes on them.

That being said... in Japan they have SD-BDs of One Piece, a series that was for the most part made in HD. So the precedent exists.

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Post by coola » Mon Mar 17, 2025 9:05 am

Vegeta th3 4th wrote: Fri Mar 14, 2025 8:26 pm
TechExpert2021 wrote: Fri Mar 14, 2025 8:23 pmCorrect me if I'm wrong, but I think Toei doesn't accept fan-sourced material of their animated properties to use in official release material (be it on home video or streaming), whether it's by them or a foreign licensor.
They've never outright admitted this, but you're correct. With that said, if they were to hire the Seed of Might team, then it technically would no longer be a fan project, as they'd be officially working under Toei. I've read about video game companies hiring talented modders, so I don't see why an animation company wouldn't do the same.
Honestly, it is kinda sad when fans release better project than official company, same with Original Trilogy Star Wars, i don't know if it's stupid pride of hardliners, refusing to release it because they didn't do it? I can sort of understand doing work from scratch for, let's face it, very minor group who even care, since "casuals" even bought Orange Bricks because they were dirt cheap, but in this case it's literally take work others did and slap it on discs, how difficult is that?
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coola wrote: Mon Mar 17, 2025 9:05 amI don't know if it's stupid pride of hardliners, refusing to release it because they didn't do it?
These companies know if they put out a "perfect" release, they'll have nothing else to sell. How many times have Funimation resold Z based on the promise of it being "better" than what came before it ? notice that every release was only a slight improvement over the last, but never truly fixed. If a version as well done as Seed of Might's ever got released officially, then there'd be nothing else to sell afterwords, it would be done.

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Post by coola » Mon Mar 17, 2025 9:25 am

Vegeta th3 4th wrote: Mon Mar 17, 2025 9:15 am
coola wrote: Mon Mar 17, 2025 9:05 amI don't know if it's stupid pride of hardliners, refusing to release it because they didn't do it?
These companies know if they put out a "perfect" release, they'll have nothing else to sell. How many times have Funimation resold Z based on the promise of it being "better" than what came before it ? notice that every release was only a slight improvement over the last, but never truly fixed. If a version as well done as Seed of Might's ever got released officially, then there'd be nothing else to sell afterwords, it would be done.
Off-topic, but it's like in one of early TMNT 1987 episodes, where Baxter Stockman invented Mousers to "get rid of all vermin" and is kicked out when he wants to sell them to exterminators "Are you crazy? Get rid of all vermin? I'm gonna lose my job!" :lol:
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Post by Vegeta th3 4th » Mon Mar 17, 2025 9:29 am

coola wrote: Mon Mar 17, 2025 9:25 amOff-topic, but it's like in one of early TMNT 1987 episodes, where Baxter Stockman invented Mousers to "get rid of all vermin" and is kicked out when he wants to sell them to exterminators "Are you crazy? Get rid of all vermin? I'm gonna lose my job!" :lol:
That's a funny, but great example of this. Another example is politicians knowing how to fix problems in society, but refusing to do so out of fear of having nothing to campaign on next time.

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Post by sangofe » Mon Mar 17, 2025 9:58 am

No. I wouldn't.

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