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About how the characters train

Post by super michael » Sat Apr 19, 2025 6:38 am

I never understood why the humans stopped leveling their training before the Android Saga. Before the Android Saga, the humans would improve their training, train together with other masters.

The humans trained with Master Roshi / Master Shen, Karin, Mr Popo and Kami. They trained with Kaio, with the only exception being Kuririn.

So when Goku asks the others who wants to train train with him, the humans just refuse. The only one who trained with Goku was Gohan and Piccolo. The humans didn't even want to train with the other humans.
Kuririn went to Master Roshi, but Kuririn surpassed him by a lot. Tenshinhan only trains with Chiaotzu who is weak.
The humans even refused to use the ROSAT.


In DBS manga in the Moro chapter Piccolo says this when he saw Goku power:
Piccolo: Not much point in training when we still can't defend the earth. When was it, I wonder? When did you get so far ahead of us?

The answer is so obvious, the reason Goku powered up so much, is because he improves his training. He is willing to train with new masters and even learn from them.

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Re: About how the characters trains

Post by MasenkoHA » Sat Apr 19, 2025 6:51 am

Real reason: Toriyama was done with Tenshinhan, Yamcha, and Chaozu by that point. Frankly, I’m surprised he didn’t Lunch them in the one year skip from Namek to Trunks showing up. Though he did do that to Chaozu, more or less, after the 3 year timeskip to the Androids.

In story reason: I think it was just too much pride. They didn’t want to train with the guy they were trying to surpass. I think the only reason Piccolo even bothered is because his affection for Gohan meant he wanted to co-parent co-train Gohan with Goku

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Re: About how the characters trains

Post by super michael » Sat Apr 19, 2025 7:28 am

Let assume it was due to pride and the humans didn't want to train with Piccolo. What stopped the humans from training with each other.

Kuririn, Yamcha, Tenshinhan and Chiaotzu they traveled the world together. They traveled the world together and trained together. They even trained with the same sensei together.


Piccolo knows Whis is strong and that Whis trained Beerus, so it is obvious how Goku got strong by training with Whis.
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Re: About how the characters trains

Post by MasenkoHA » Sat Apr 19, 2025 8:39 am

Look sometimes you go to the gym with your bros and sometimes you want to go solo. It isn’t that deep. They all decided they’d rather solo train than with each other. Except Ten and Chaozu who are a packaged deal.

They could have all trained together or with Goku and Piccolo and would have still been weaker than 19 and 20, because Toriyama was done with them. They were demoted to cannon fodder in the Saiyan arc. Most of Yamcha and Tenshinhan’s reasons for existing ended up better served with Krillin and Vegeta.

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Re: About how the characters trains

Post by 90sDBZ » Mon Apr 21, 2025 8:39 am

MasenkoHA wrote: Sat Apr 19, 2025 6:51 amI think the only reason Piccolo even bothered is because his affection for Gohan meant he wanted to co-parent co-train Gohan with Goku
I dunno. I think Piccolo actually enjoyed training with Goku.

There was a moment during Goku vs Frieza were Piccolo smiled and expressed a desire to fight Goku again some day. I think he liked the challenge of competing with him. It might be filler, but there's a scene with the 2 of them sparring in preparation for the Androids, and both of them seem to be thoroughly enjoying themselves.

And there was that moment prior to Mecha Frieza showing up were Piccolo tells Gohan he stayed on Earth and trains to avoid boredom. Being able to train with his former rival was likely a real treat for him.

Piccolo also manages to get nearly as strong as a Super Saiyan during the 3 years. This is no doubt due to his training with Goku.

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Re: About how the characters train

Post by Koitsukai » Mon Apr 21, 2025 10:00 am

The humans would've held back Goku and Piccolo. And get their self-esteem destroyed in the process.

They all put their hopes on Goku being the one to get strong enough to defeat the androids. And for that, he required a proper sparring partner in the form of Piccolo, and Gohan. Krilin and Tenshinhan were already too far behind to help Goku go the extra mile, and probably would've spent more time recovering from fighting a SS than actually growing stronger. Eventually, they would've accepted they would be better off training on their own.

It's odd, though, that they never tried to train together like vs the saiyans. But like MasenkoHa said, these dudes prefer to train on their own, and only train together when there is no other option (Vegeta, ToP).
When the saiyans were coming, Goku was gone, and they needed to level up for real and step up. Now, with Goku back, and him being a SS, they had the option to train in the most comfortable way (on their own). I mean, nobody was expecting Ten to be the one to save the day (even though, he ended up doing so).

However, hardly ever there was such an opportunity for Krilin and Tenshinhan to bond, train and grow stronger together. I do wonder just how serious Krilin took his training during that time. He barely even flinched after 18 wrecked Geets and Trunks.

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Re: About how the characters trains

Post by MasenkoHA » Mon Apr 21, 2025 10:53 am

90sDBZ wrote: Mon Apr 21, 2025 8:39 am
MasenkoHA wrote: Sat Apr 19, 2025 6:51 amI think the only reason Piccolo even bothered is because his affection for Gohan meant he wanted to co-parent co-train Gohan with Goku
I dunno. I think Piccolo actually enjoyed training with Goku.

There was a moment during Goku vs Frieza were Piccolo smiled and expressed a desire to fight Goku again some day. I think he liked the challenge of competing with him. It might be filler, but there's a scene with the 2 of them sparring in preparation for the Androids, and both of them seem to be thoroughly enjoying themselves.

And there was that moment prior to Mecha Frieza showing up were Piccolo tells Gohan he stayed on Earth and trains to avoid boredom. Being able to train with his former rival was likely a real treat for him.

Piccolo also manages to get nearly as strong as a Super Saiyan during the 3 years. This is no doubt due to his training with Goku.
That’s a fair point.

To be honest at the end of the day it was just a matter of Toriyama no longer being interested in these characters anymore. Which is fine by me because, as I said before, Krillin and Vegeta both covered what Yamcha and Tenshinhan had to offer as characters plus then some.

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Re: About how the characters trains

Post by Vhanos » Mon Apr 21, 2025 12:25 pm

90sDBZ wrote: Mon Apr 21, 2025 8:39 am

There was a moment during Goku vs Frieza were Piccolo smiled and expressed a desire to fight Goku again some day. I think he liked the challenge of competing with him. It might be filler, but there's a scene with the 2 of them sparring in preparation for the Androids, and both of them seem to be thoroughly enjoying themselves.

That was filler. The two episodes in-between episodes 123 and 126 are filler.

The scene was a nice add I'll say.

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