Demon Realm Diaspora in the Mortal Realm

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Demon Realm Diaspora in the Mortal Realm

Post by Almighty Majin » Sun Jul 20, 2025 10:46 pm

This is sort of a sequel to the post I made about pointed-eared characters being demons. As mentioned in Daima, not all people with pointed ears are demons, but it can be assumed that most are. The lore mentioned about the Demon Realm and the creation of the mortal realm explains that many demons fled from the Demon Realm and integrated into the mortal universes. Thus, there are many mortals that are descended from various demonic races.

The point of this post is to try to speculate which mortal races may have descended from certain demon worlds and why.

Third Demon World: This is the largest and seemingly most populated demon world with a diverse set of races. Demons come in all shapes and sizes in this world. It is also a harsh and unfriendly environment that is frequently mistreated by the elites of the first demon world. As a result, it would make sense that a lot of demons from this world would have fled at some point into the mortal universes in hopes of a better life.

Races that may have spawned from the third demon world:

Second Demon World: Not as large and populated as the third demon world, but still seems to have a sizeable population. We know that the Namekians and Glinds come from this world. Based on what we have seen and heard about this world the demons that hail from here seem to be powerful magically inclined beings. The demons in this world have had a history of being attacked and constantly persecuted as seen with why the Glinds had to leave and why Neva created the barriers. It makes sense why many of them would also leave.

Races that may have spawned from the second world:

First Demon World: This is the smallest demon world with the smallest population. There does not seem to be much diversity in terms of the demon races in this world. With how guarded and wealthy the first demon world seems to be, it is likely that no demons have had any reason to migrate to the mortal realms. The servant demons seem to be from other demon worlds like Dr. Arinsu and Degesu being Glinds and while it is never shown where the Gendarmerie hail from, it is possible that they were outsourced from the third demon world to serve the elite class in the first demon world.

To conclude, the various demons that have fled the Demon Realm to the mortal universes have greatly impacted the progression of the development of said universes in all kinds of ways. What do you think?

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Re: Demon Realm Diaspora in the Mortal Realm

Post by Omori » Sat Aug 02, 2025 3:16 am

Having the history of each race about when and why they left the Demon Realm would be very cool. Some may left earlier, some later etc.

A Yardratian homeplanet in the 2nd Demon Realm World would be something.
Also I'd like to think that Konatsians are a distantly related species to the Glind, just developed differently over millions of years.
So many things to think about. :crazy:

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Post by Yasai9001 » Sat Aug 02, 2025 4:11 pm

Now, it's been said that The Saiyans are not indeed, demons of the demon realm, but what if they were a variation of Majin? Hybis went as far as to compare The Saiyans to Majin by saying: "These guys seem more like Majin."

And that would be funnily ironic and poetic considering that Vegeta allowed himself to be "possessed" by Babidi; the real question is if a Saiyan being a Majin would have something to do with Vegeta being able to resist Babidi's magic - unlike Dabura, who is not a Majin, but instead a full on Demon - it'd be a lot less work tapping into his evil desires and gaining control over him. What do you think?

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Re: Demon Realm Diaspora in the Mortal Realm

Post by Koitsukai » Wed Aug 06, 2025 11:48 am

Yasai9001 wrote: Sat Aug 02, 2025 4:11 pm Now, it's been said that The Saiyans are not indeed, demons of the demon realm, but what if they were a variation of Majin? Hybis went as far as to compare The Saiyans to Majin by saying: "These guys seem more like Majin."

And that would be funnily ironic and poetic considering that Vegeta allowed himself to be "possessed" by Babidi; the real question is if a Saiyan being a Majin would have something to do with Vegeta being able to resist Babidi's magic - unlike Dabura, who is not a Majin, but instead a full on Demon - it'd be a lot less work tapping into his evil desires and gaining control over him. What do you think?
Sorry, what do you mean Dabura isn't a Majin but a full on demon? Dabura is a majin. What's the difference and where was it stated?

About saiyans, the ohzaru pointy ears leave the door open for our headcanon to run loose. Maybe at some point a majin and a humanoid bred and a saiyan was the result?
I think it was just pride and self-respect what allowed Vegeta to break free from Babidi and not really a race-related thing. Also, not being that much evil to begin with. Like an addiction, he didn't do that much coke(evil in his heart) so he wasn't hooked (forever trapped).

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Post by Grimlock » Wed Aug 06, 2025 12:32 pm

It's very curious indeed that no one brings up the fact that the Perfect Files guide already provided the idea that the original form of Saiyans was the Oozaru. So the possibility of them hailing from the Demon Realm, for those who accept or believe in that, is there right open.

I would prefer Saiyans to have been created by a Kaioshin (assuming Sadala is in the north quadrant, that would be Kaioshin of North who created them). I would very much like to "interview" him to know what he was thinking at the time, and if the idea that they would be a warrior race was always there from the beginning.

Though the idea of Saiyans being Oozaru and then becoming humanoid is quite appealing for the extraordinary evolution factor.

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Re: Demon Realm Diaspora in the Mortal Realm

Post by Yasai9001 » Wed Aug 06, 2025 6:26 pm

Koitsukai wrote: Wed Aug 06, 2025 11:48 am
Yasai9001 wrote: Sat Aug 02, 2025 4:11 pm Now, it's been said that The Saiyans are not indeed, demons of the demon realm, but what if they were a variation of Majin? Hybis went as far as to compare The Saiyans to Majin by saying: "These guys seem more like Majin."

And that would be funnily ironic and poetic considering that Vegeta allowed himself to be "possessed" by Babidi; the real question is if a Saiyan being a Majin would have something to do with Vegeta being able to resist Babidi's magic - unlike Dabura, who is not a Majin, but instead a full on Demon - it'd be a lot less work tapping into his evil desires and gaining control over him. What do you think?
Sorry, what do you mean Dabura isn't a Majin but a full on demon? Dabura is a majin. What's the difference and where was it stated?

About saiyans, the ohzaru pointy ears leave the door open for our headcanon to run loose. Maybe at some point a majin and a humanoid bred and a saiyan was the result?
I think it was just pride and self-respect what allowed Vegeta to break free from Babidi and not really a race-related thing. Also, not being that much evil to begin with. Like an addiction, he didn't do that much coke(evil in his heart) so he wasn't hooked (forever trapped).
I was under the impression that Dabura was a Demon and not a Majin because of his name being Demon King Daubra; I'm aware that Majin means Demon person, but Hybis made a statement in Episode ten of Dragon Ball Daima about The Saiyans and "Majin".

He said that Earthlings and Saiyans were born after their universe was created.

He points out that The Saiyans seem more like "Majin" rather than actual demons. For him to say that they seem more like "Majin" implies that there must be some kind of distinction; I believe Dabura was a full on Demon and not just a "Majin", whatever that is supposed to mean to Hybis.

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Re: Demon Realm Diaspora in the Mortal Realm

Post by Saiya6Cit » Sun Aug 10, 2025 8:27 pm

Yasai9001 wrote: Sat Aug 02, 2025 4:11 pm Now, it's been said that The Saiyans are not indeed, demons of the demon realm, but what if they were a variation of Majin? Hybis went as far as to compare The Saiyans to Majin by saying: "These guys seem more like Majin."

And that would be funnily ironic and poetic considering that Vegeta allowed himself to be "possessed" by Babidi; the real question is if a Saiyan being a Majin would have something to do with Vegeta being able to resist Babidi's magic - unlike Dabura, who is not a Majin, but instead a full on Demon - it'd be a lot less work tapping into his evil desires and gaining control over him. What do you think?
No. Saiyans are not demons. They are more like space apes. Hence, they could reproduce and mix their DNA with humans.

I get it that they have pointy ears... but... really? ....

Vegeta could fight Babidi's magic because he is both smart and has huge will power. Trunks gets his will power from Vegeta, although Bulma also has it but more in the sense of hope. Vegeta was going through his middle-aged crisis, he says it: ¨I just wanted for things to be the way they used to be ´´ (well... he says that in the Spanish dub at least). He was always mentally stronger than Babidi that is way the possession could not be completed.

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Re: Demon Realm Diaspora in the Mortal Realm

Post by Yasai9001 » Sat Aug 16, 2025 9:21 am

Saiya6Cit wrote: Sun Aug 10, 2025 8:27 pm
Yasai9001 wrote: Sat Aug 02, 2025 4:11 pm Now, it's been said that The Saiyans are not indeed, demons of the demon realm, but what if they were a variation of Majin? Hybis went as far as to compare The Saiyans to Majin by saying: "These guys seem more like Majin."

And that would be funnily ironic and poetic considering that Vegeta allowed himself to be "possessed" by Babidi; the real question is if a Saiyan being a Majin would have something to do with Vegeta being able to resist Babidi's magic - unlike Dabura, who is not a Majin, but instead a full on Demon - it'd be a lot less work tapping into his evil desires and gaining control over him. What do you think?
No. Saiyans are not demons. They are more like space apes. Hence, they could reproduce and mix their DNA with humans.

I get it that they have pointy ears... but... really? ....

Vegeta could fight Babidi's magic because he is both smart and has huge will power. Trunks gets his will power from Vegeta, although Bulma also has it but more in the sense of hope. Vegeta was going through his middle-aged crisis, he says it: ¨I just wanted for things to be the way they used to be ´´ (well... he says that in the Spanish dub at least). He was always mentally stronger than Babidi that is way the possession could not be completed.
All that you corrected me on I already understood by this point; but what Hybis said in regards to The Saiyans seeming more like "Majin" than "Demon" is interesting.

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Re: Demon Realm Diaspora in the Mortal Realm

Post by L3anD3RStar » Tue Aug 19, 2025 10:01 pm

Saiya6Cit wrote: Sun Aug 10, 2025 8:27 pm
No. Saiyans are not demons. They are more like space apes. Hence, they could reproduce and mix their DNA with humans.
OK THIS IS A CRAZY THOUGHT BUT WHAT IF

WHAT IF

We know the Saiyans don’t come from the demon world but WHAT IF the Oozaru does?

What if some ancient Saiyans met a demon somewhere, and got a curse or a blessing that gave them a lot more power but at a price?

And the reason U6 doesn’t have tails could be they just never ran into that particular demon.

I don’t know, it’s kind of a crazy idea, but it MIGHT explain why there’s always been something vaguely magical about the Saiyans. The way their bodies adapt and change when exposed to new kinds of energy implies there’s more than science at work in those muscles, not to mention Zenkai boosts. Plus it just seems like the sort of barbed gift a shifty demon might bestow. Good news - you can turn into a giant funk off monkey! Bad news - your kids are gonna try to squish you. Enjoy your new powers, and good luck!

I guess that would mean SSJ4 is basically a demonic transformation, like a sort of “here’s what Saiyans would look like if they were demons” kind of deal. Which, considering they’ve got a god form, why not a demon form too?

Am I crazy? I’m probably crazy
…. I forget what I was talking about.

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