If you had to add Z Broly to the main continuity DBS Broly is already a part of, how would you... ?

[Koitsukai]

Basically, fan-ideas to see if there is a logical way to have them both be part of the same continuity.

How would you include Z Broly in the main continuity? I mean his design, his background, everything... while already having another Broly. Without the events of the Z movies, that is.

Could both Brolis be brothers or relatives that were cast away and sent to different places?
Would having two LSS, both rejected by the saiyans, even work?
Would Z Broly need to be from another universe, like Kale?
Does one Broly need to be much older than the other for this to work somehow?

Or is it just impossible to make it work, because having yet another saiyan lost in space is just too much, specially another LSS?

[JulieYBM]

Well first it feels like we need to establish what makes the Dragon Ball Z Broly spearate from the Dragon Ball Super Broly and Kale:

1. He hates Gokuu from birth.
2. He was is an evil psychopath with nothing established outside of his desire to battle and destroy.
3. He has a history of destroying planets.

The Saiyans are a people known for battling, so if a supposed 'Legendary Super Saiyan' is the epitome of this, it would tie in a lot with how Broly went around destroying planets and shit in that first movie.

Obviously, it would require that Dragon Ball Z Broly have a different backstory if he were to exist in Dragon Ball Super. One could make him a clone of the original Broly, but that kind of seems boring. If I was basically allowed to do whatever, I'd go with something a little Hellraiser-esque, since I just watched that for the first time on Halloween. The destruction of so many Saiyans at once feeds Broly's decaying corpse and revives him from his unceremonious grave on Planet Vegeta. Broly seeks more of the flesh of his fellow Saiyans, though, and seeks out the remaining pure-blooded Saiyans throughout the universe, eventually bringing him to Table and then through Table calling Vegeta for help, Gokuu and friends become involved. At first, Gokuu and friends mistake Dragon Ball Z Broly for being Dragon Ball Super Broly, but after their initial encounter, they bring the Broly that they know into the fold and learn that he they are separate people. Whis or Beerus hypothesize that this lookalike is actually an ancestor of the Broly that they know.

Gokuu, Vegeta and Super Broly face off with Z Broly. Because the difference between the two Broly characters is that the Dragon Ball Super Broly is kind, I would like for that to play a part in defeating Z Broly. Super Broly's ki is too unlike that of other Saiyans and instead of granting Z Broly strength, it actively poisons him and allows for Broly—achieving a new Super Saiyan form based on this kindness—to kill Z Broly.

[Grimlock]

Just have a character with the ability to open up portals that reach the movies dimension and pull Broly out of it.

Don't know why one would (want to) do that, I mean, it's Broly we are talking about. What could he possibly bring to the table and offer? One would just probably keep screaming "Kakarot" endlessly and the other would be silent, without understanding what's going on. I also have no interest in seeing them fighting each other.

But if we can have other, more interesting characters from the movies to appear in the "main" continuity, I would like that.

[JulieYBM]

The most interesting part is how Z Broly would interact with and be a sort of dark mirror for the Super Broly character. Of course, that means telling a story with deliberate character interior, but that's a good idea, so it should be done.

[Koitsukai]

I like the concept of Z Broly being some sort of ancestor of DBS Broly, being somehow brought back from the grave.

[nineko]

Given how much they like to recycle ideas and story lines, I can see them pulling something like this: once upon a time there was Broly Prime, he then decided to split into two halves, one good (Super) and one evil (Z).

... they can even recycle the reluctant eventual recombination, with the threat of Black Freeza in lieu of Cell.

[Kaboom]

Reintroduce the Real Broli from Z not as a separate character, but as sort of a suppressed split personality of nuBroli who emerges when he transforms. The Mr. Hyde to his Dr. Jekyll. The Green Goblin to his Willem Dafoe's Norman Osborn. The blonde-haired Lunch to his blue-haired Lunch. You get the idea.

Ostensibly the whole point of Broli from Z was to reinvigorate the idea of the "Legendary Super Saiyan" being a nigh-unstoppable avatar of destruction who reveled in violence and bloodshed, after we'd gotten four "regular" Super Saiyans in the main story, three of whom were actually pretty nice dudes. But then Broli was not only way stronger than all of them, but also evil to his core, and hellbent on destroying everything he came across. He needed to have his evil nature forcibly suppressed just so Paragus could keep him under control and of any use.

nuBroli lacks any of that "edge," for lack of a better word, and got softened much like nuBardock. The Broli of DBS is just an innocent gentle himbo who tends to lose control when he fights. Even after going Super Saiyan, any destruction he dished out seemed more accidental than anything, just a side-effect of his power level and lack of control.

But what if that first transformation and subsequent fight was just the tip of the iceberg? What if every time nuBroli transformed, he seemed to get a little more wild, a little more "careless," and eventually even seemed to enjoy dealing collateral damage? What if the longer he went on, the more he would start to laugh and act more blatantly sadistic against whoever was unlucky enough to be his target? And what if he just kept getting even worse from there?

Badabing, badaboom, Broli Classic is back. He was actually there the whole time, just waiting to be woken up.

[JulieYBM]

It's flat and regressive to reduce Super Broly to "always having been Z Broly all along." Tossing aside what makes Super Broly interesting both on his own and within a trio dynamic between Gokuu, Vegeta and he just to do something like that is, politely-speaking, stupidly antagonistic and kind of just shows creative bankruptcy, which is hilarious given there's no commercial factor motivating the decision.

I'm reminded a lot of how there was a Kamen Rider crossover film that tried to pit the Shouwa Riders against the Heisei Riders by having the former be very "kids these days" about a bunch of mostly 20-30 something year old heroes. Not only was that something that the actors hated for being out of character, it was based off of an artificial antagonism with a weak conclusion that had no built-in lasting character arc. It reduced someone like Hongou Takeshi to a weird, one-note character that lacked any empathy and served for a boring conflict.

Creative works that have multiple fandom generations crossing over shouldn’t be built around declaring one generation better than the other. It's weird and childish behavior from a bunch of men with weird insecurities and a lack of purpose in their lives, playing with their toys through the lens of a blockbuster Hollywood film and, frankly, embarrassing (this is me shitting on the Star Wars sequel trilogy).

These generations should be uplifting one another through their arcs, not about fans tearing one another down because Muh Toys.

[Kaboom]

Or maybe I simply decided for myself long ago that modern DB is soulless schlock that downgrades everything it touches and doesn't deserve my acceptance or deference over the classic material, subsequently offered my own solicited-by-the-topic idea about how to hypothetically mitigate one of those downgrades, and don't need someone trying to tell me that my doing so means I need therapy or something.

Maybe, while I still have some patience left, we can just leave it at that, and not continue with this same kind of asinine "oh you silly boys and your standards different from mine" nonsense every time I post something? That sound good?

[PhantomSaiyan]

Maybe, while I still have some patience left, we can just leave it at that, and not continue with this same kind of asinine "oh you silly boys and your standards different from mine" nonsense every time I post something? That sound good?

I think it's because you don't seem to entertain the idea that modern DB could even by accident do something at least half way decent, it's all just "garbage", which for me and many people isn't really a fair and balanced way to view things.

You're very biased, so of course that causes controversy, like all "black and white" takes do, because we live in a world of grey, of nuance.

It's obviously normal to have preferences, your preference isn't absurd or wrong.
It's just that it seems (from what I personally read at least) like you come into modern DB material already with the pre conceived notion that it's shit and that you will hate it, like you made up your mind before even engaging with it, like you've tribalistically chosen a side and you absolutely cannot even for a moment gaze upon the opposite one, the "you're either 100% with me or 100% against me" type of binary mentality.

Just my 2 cents on why people reply with "asinine nonsense" whenever you post something

[Zephyr]

I've been workshopping my own personal little retelling fixfic kinda thing, and in that I've been kicking around the idea of having both of them in the same continuity. It was easier and funnier to do than I thought.

Back on Planet Vegeta, there are twin brothers, Paragus and Sparagus, and they each have a son: Broli and Broly, respectively. King Vegeta is livid about both babies being so strong, so he orders the one executed and the other exiled. Then Freeza blows the planet up, and the two movies play out basically as is in the present, with the obligatory necessary fixes (Goku and Gohan being Super Saiyan at the beginning of Z Movie 8, characters remarking that Kale and Broly are just like Broli, etc.).

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Alternatively, I do also kinda like Kaboom's idea of having both versions of the character be retooled into different aspects of the same Brolee, but I'd do the opposite. It is common enough for an evil DB antagonist to calm down and soften up after they've gone through the enemy-to-family pipeline. Do that with Broli, and have Broly's smol bean shtick just be how he eventually is once he's far enough down that road. At least normally. Because I'd still keep "Broli" around even after this reforming has happened, the guy he becomes when his pupils disappear.

You can look at the resulting Broly and Broli aspects like Jekyll and Hyde, but I think it's much more interesting to look at them like Guts and the Beast of Darkness from Berserk. The Beast of Darkness is basically the internal manifestation of Guts' most violent and destructive urges, impulses, and desires, always whispering into his ear and egging him on to just let loose and lose control. Guts doesn't want to lose control, because when he does, he does not distinguish between friend or foe. Basically, I would turn Brolee into a sad seinen protagonist.

Honestly, they could actually just do this with the Broly we have in Super. But his only real past incident of violent and destructive loss of control was for a single fight in the movie. If you merge the two Brolees together, and have Z Broli as Super Broly's past, you've got a much longer pattern of destruction to have left scars in Broly's psyche. In other words, making this new Broly not the same guy as the old Broli actually denied the writers of the opportunity to give him more compelling character growth.

"But what about the plotholes that would result if they said DBZ Movie 8 happened in the main continuity?", you ask.
laughs in Dragon Ball

[Kaboom]

It's just that it seems (from what I personally read at least) like you come into modern DB material already with the pre conceived notion that it's shit and that you will hate it...

Well, that's where you'd be mistaken. My disdain for modern DB is anything but pre-conceived — it was steadily built up through the past 10+ years of me actually engaging with it.

I watched the Super anime, giving it tons of chances all the way up to the unforgiveable ending of the new Trunks arc. I still absorbed plenty of week-to-week secondhand information about the rest of the anime after that, and did the same with Daima later. I owned the English release of Jaco and read Minus at the end of it. I gave the DBS manga a second chance with the Moro arc. I saw the new Broli movie in the theater. I was similarly open to seeing the Super Hero movie until the moment that Gohan and Piccolo's half-baked new forms were leaked.

I'm not some blind hater who doesn't know what he's talking about. I've been more than generous with this stuff, and if my final, personal verdict is that on the whole it's horseshit with nothing to offer me, then that's that. Of course if I really pushed myself I could probably find some good things to say about some parts of it, but why should I go out of my way like that when I already know it won't change the big picture?

And of course if someone else actually enjoys most or all of this stuff then I don't begrudge them that one bit. But on the flipside I also don't need to have people — sometimes the same certain people over and over again — seem to magically pop up and make belittling "oh you're just so silly" comments every time I express my well-earned contempt for this material. Especially not in a topic like this one where I was also genuinely trying to contribute a creative idea.

[PhantomSaiyan]

Well, that's where you'd be mistaken. My disdain for modern DB is anything but pre-conceived — it was steadily built up through the past 10+ years of me actually engaging with it.

I'm sorry for wrongly assuming then, like I've said, my observation is only surface level from what little I've read from you.

And to be honest, even as someone who enjoys modern Dragon Ball overall, I do share a lot of the same grievances as you so I understand, I'm just a bit more forgiving I guess

[Grimlock]

Gonna share another wild opinion of mine, while being lucky that nobody comes at me for it.

I guess I'm in the minority with this as well, but I don't like how to add someone from another Universe (or dimension, in this case), people quickly resort to essentially rewriting that character. It hurts narrative and it hurts the character itself, they lose authenticity and integrity. The character no longer is what he was conceived to be, they are something else.

Neither Tobey Maguire nor Andrew Garfield became unrecognizable once they passed through a portal, they were still the Peter Parkers we knew from their movies. There's simply no reason Broly (or any other character, for that matter) to be rewritten just to fit in another Universe/dimension they are present.

Basically, most of the words that start with an "re" should be avoided. No rewriting, no reboot, no reimagination, no recreation. Keep the original as they are, as they came to be. You can do anything without having to rely on those actually silly methods. Trust in your creativity.

[Makaioshin]

DBS Broly uses the same technique God did and splits the evil from his body thus creating Z Broli.

I think really the only way to do it, if this had to occur, is just to go full Heroes and have a villain like Fu summon Broli from across the xenoverse. Otherwise, it isn't bringing back Z Broli but just creating a new, third (fourth? fifth?) Broli.

[MasenkoHA]

1. Kale comes out as a transgender male and gets on HRT and gender affirmation surgery changes name to Broli (tis a Saiyan name).


2. Alternate timeline. Z Broli comes from a timeline where Goku and Broli spent time in the same nursery

3. Z Broli is just another saiyan named Broli.

[danyq94]

I've been thinking about it for years, and the only thing I can think of that makes sense is: time travel.

Let me explain.
From what we know from the movies, Broly only starts to make a name for himself during the Cell arc, when Trunks from the future was in the “main” timeline.
Several things in Future Trunks' timeline went differently. What prevents us from thinking that Paragas and Broly, in their timeline, did not have different experiences from the Paragas and Broly from Super?

Obviously, you all may ask, “How is it possible that Broly and Paragas from Trunks' future arrived in the main timeline?”
The answer is as silly as it is simple: plot requirements. Trunks' time travel may have accidentally and mistakenly opened random time portals that allowed other people to be transported to a different reality.
Obviously, in this headcanon, I assume that neither BrolyZ nor ParagasZ know that they have traveled through space-time.

[PhantomSaiyan]

Let me explain.
From what we know from the movies, Broly only starts to make a name for himself during the Cell arc, when Trunks from the future was in the “main” timeline.
Several things in Future Trunks' timeline went differently. What prevents us from thinking that Paragas and Broly, in their timeline, did not have different experiences from the Paragas and Broly from Super?

Obviously, you all may ask, “How is it possible that Broly and Paragas from Trunks' future arrived in the main timeline?”
The answer is as silly as it is simple: plot requirements. Trunks' time travel may have accidentally and mistakenly opened random time portals that allowed other people to be transported to a different reality.
Obviously, in this headcanon, I assume that neither BrolyZ nor ParagasZ know that they have traveled through space-time.

Doesn't work because the only things that changed due to Trunks's actions, we're things DIRECTLY tied to said actions: The Androids.

Butterfly effect is real, but not real enough to have an effect on Broly and Paragus.

[Koitsukai]

Wait, time travel is not bad at all. Maybe Trunks being the cause is too far-fetched and already done with the whole Black arrival and all, but wasn't it said that there was another time traveller? It's been too long, but I think they were related to the other 6 universes erased. Whis, IIRC, brought up the other Time Traveller.

That other TT could be the one that set the wheels in motion to make Z Broly arrive post EoZ or something. In that case, Z Broly would be the LSS from a thousand years ago.

[goku the krump dancer]

Reintroduce the Real Broli from Z not as a separate character, but as sort of a suppressed split personality of nuBroli who emerges when he transforms. The Mr. Hyde to his Dr. Jekyll. The Green Goblin to his Willem Dafoe's Norman Osborn. The blonde-haired Lunch to his blue-haired Lunch. You get the idea.

Ostensibly the whole point of Broli from Z was to reinvigorate the idea of the "Legendary Super Saiyan" being a nigh-unstoppable avatar of destruction who reveled in violence and bloodshed, after we'd gotten four "regular" Super Saiyans in the main story, three of whom were actually pretty nice dudes. But then Broli was not only way stronger than all of them, but also evil to his core, and hellbent on destroying everything he came across. He needed to have his evil nature forcibly suppressed just so Paragus could keep him under control and of any use.

nuBroli lacks any of that "edge," for lack of a better word, and got softened much like nuBardock. The Broli of DBS is just an innocent gentle himbo who tends to lose control when he fights. Even after going Super Saiyan, any destruction he dished out seemed more accidental than anything, just a side-effect of his power level and lack of control.

But what if that first transformation and subsequent fight was just the tip of the iceberg? What if every time nuBroli transformed, he seemed to get a little more wild, a little more "careless," and eventually even seemed to enjoy dealing collateral damage? What if the longer he went on, the more he would start to laugh and act more blatantly sadistic against whoever was unlucky enough to be his target? And what if he just kept getting even worse from there?

Badabing, badaboom, Broli Classic is back. He was actually there the whole time, just waiting to be woken up.

Something similar to this would be the only reason why “bringing old Broly back” would even be necessary and you can even throw in the idea that New Broly has to merge his Jeklly and Hyde persona’s to truly master his unique version of LSS. So that way we get a mild manner Tarzan-like broly but who’s also with the shits and revels in the blood shed unlike Gohan who’s mild mannered and hates fighting but trains because he has too, so his personality would be cross between Gohan and Vegeta.