What if: Goku met Bardock

Sun_Wukong · Post by **Sun_Wukong** » Fri May 14, 2004 10:40 am

Ever wonder what would happen if these two met? Considering the ammount of time Goku spent in the afterlife, I'm suprised Toriyama or Toei didnt mention something about it. Sure they unofficially met before Freeza blew up Vejiita-sei, but Bardock was half dead and hallucinating. Do you think Bardock would disown his son for not staying true to his Saiya-jiin roots?

Ben Plante · Post by **Ben Plante** » Fri May 14, 2004 11:10 am

Did Bardock get to keep his body, or did he become a white puffy thing?

tablet the eunuch · Post by **tablet the eunuch** » Fri May 14, 2004 11:49 am

I'd imagine white puffy cloud. I mean, the guy wasn't exactly a hero, he killed lots of people (despite it being his nature and at request of certian employer) and sure, he did throw himself on the line for a much greater purposes. He did save his son, but that's in no way heroic, I mean, it's natural to keep your offspring alive.

Meh

PsyLiam · Post by **PsyLiam** » Fri May 14, 2004 1:10 pm

Besides, if they met I imagine Goku would spend the entire time with his arm outstretched, trying to feel where the glass is.

Zackarotto · Post by **Zackarotto** » Fri May 14, 2004 1:45 pm

...? AHAHAHAHA. MIRROR. HAHAHA. I get it now.

We don't know for sure he'd be a cloud. Toriyama seems to just make it "If that character is important, they keep their body" even though he said otherwise.

Alias · Post by **Alias** » Fri May 14, 2004 1:45 pm

I don't think Bardock could give the kind of relationship Goku would be looking for. Bardock felt zero fatherly attachment to his offspring, he wasn't the sort to spar with them or go fishing. He had a rather cold personality on the surface, and seemed to lack a sense of humor. He was very different from Goku, both in morals and in thoughts. I think a meeting between him and Goku would be incredibly awkward. Bardock would be in shock at the contrast between his son's power and lifestyle, and Goku would be hesitant due to his knowledge of Saiya-jin ethics (his last family reunion didn't go so well), while hoping in vain to find some sort of connection. I think both would part disappointed in what they found. Though Goku became powerful, his personality and life are the polar opposites of Bardock's. And Goku would find confirmation that what he came from, though proud, isn't something he wants to be a part of.

Doujinshis tend to have many varying stories of Goku meeting Bardock, form the humorous to the dark. http://www.dragonball-doujinshi.com has some doujinshis with Bardock and Goku meeting, or having visions of one another.

James R. Cadwell · Post by **James R. Cadwell** » Fri May 14, 2004 2:17 pm

I think people tend to overestimate Goku's potential reaction to meeting his father. It'd probably go something like this:

Bardock: Goku, I am your father! A proud Saiya-jin warrior!

Goku: Oh, okay.

Bardock: Finally we meet! Hmph. So you are a Super Saiya-jin?

Goku: Yeah. So is everyone else. Come have dinner with me and my family some time.

Goku: Bye.

(Goku flies off.)

Alias · Post by **Alias** » Fri May 14, 2004 2:30 pm

I fully disagree. Look at Goku's reaction to meeting Raditz, he wasn't amblivilant about it in any way. He even took it as an insult when Raditz said they were brothers, angered by the idea that someone so foul would claim to be a family member of his. Later, he denied their relationship, saying: "You're no brother of mine!" Goku places a high importance on his family, he wouldn't just stand there like a fool and then fly off.

James R. Cadwell · Post by **James R. Cadwell** » Fri May 14, 2004 2:46 pm

Alias wrote:I fully disagree. Look at Goku's reaction to meeting Raditz, he wasn't amblivilant about it in any way. He even took it as an insult when Raditz said they were brothers, angered by the idea that someone so foul would claim to be a family member of his. Later, he denied their relationship, saying: "You're no brother of mine!" Goku places a high importance on his family, he wouldn't just stand there like a fool and then fly off.

That's younger Goku. After completing his training in the "Room of Spirit and Time" and spending the better part of a decade in the afterlife, Goku changed.

Piccolo: Buu killed Gohan.
Goku: Darn. Oh well.

Goku: Hmm, I suppose I could defeat Majin Buu. But no, I'll just let Goten and Trunks handle it. Good luck!

If Goku encountered Bardock at any point after the Cell Games, I doubt he'd go into a fit of angst and start reflecting on his history like many fan fiction writers like to portray. He'd probably just say hello, talk for a few minutes, and possibly warn him not to kill anyone.

Alias · Post by **Alias** » Fri May 14, 2004 3:55 pm

I don't think Goku would have a 'fit of angst,' since that's just not in him after the Freeza saga, but I also don't think the meeting would be meaningless either. His brother may have turned out to be a dissappointment, but he would likely have some hope that his father wouldn't be the same. Goku, even knowing what his father's 'job' was, still would have the belief that people can change. However, Bardock never showed any remorse for the things he did, and no speech or argument from Goku would change that. Not a bitter parting, but not a happy one either.

The Buu saga... While there are instances where Goku seems to be... lacking in response. There are points where he isn't. When he reported than Gohan and Vegeta were dead, he wasn't standing there with a blank expression and wondering why everyone was being so emotional. He was silent and angry. As for leaving Trunks and Goten to fight Buu... Technically, that was just Toriyama trying to extend the saga. Storywise, though, he may have felt that fusion would make it easy for them to win and not thought that there would be any risks involved. He, Vegeta, and Gohan had their share of victories, he may have wanted to two young boys to have something they had done as well.

Dai · Post by **Dai** » Fri May 14, 2004 5:05 pm

ARGH!

Why, is everybody looking so deeply into things that are so predictable? Bardock would no doubt be a lot like Vegeta; Sneering and all intact. He would be proud of his son for becoming so strong and defeating Freeza, and pissed for him being such a doofus.

Bardock is in no way a deep, well worked out character. The point of the entire Bardock special was to show him evolving from a bad person with no morals, to a good man with regrets, and bladibladibla. Typical formula..... Not to say I didn't enjoy it.

In other words, Bardock would just be like Vegeta, in many ways. Plenty of Saiya-jin pride to go along, but actually a good person who deep down cares.

Why people have this urge to go deeply explaining such characters while with Dragon Ball's pattern it's so predictabe, I'll never understand. Hell, I can practically see the scene of them meeting.

Ben Plante · Post by **Ben Plante** » Fri May 14, 2004 5:31 pm

Well, I don't have a totally logical reason for why we debate, Dai, other than this...

It's FUN!

B-kun · Post by **B-kun** » Fri May 14, 2004 5:40 pm

Exactly. That, and civilized debate keeps the people from wanting to kill each other.

Deus ex Machina · Post by **Deus ex Machina** » Fri May 14, 2004 5:51 pm

Although during the series I was hoping Bardock would pop up somewhere, I can't imagine it would be a very emotional meeting. Saiyans don't seem all that attached to their offspring, and after learning of Goku's initial powerlevel he wanted nothing to do with him.

At the same time, I don't think Goku would've been very inclined to meet his father even if he had the chance; Gohan was the one who raised him, and he's the only one he really considers family. After the Freeza saga he doesn't reject his Saiyan heritage anymore, but he wasn't interested in pursuing it either.

Epsilon Grey · Post by **Epsilon Grey** » Sat May 15, 2004 12:34 am

I think a few decades in the afterlife//hevean/otherworld would mellow Bardock out a little, don't you? I mean, once you're dead, with no chance to return, I'd think you'd sort of get over being a hardass.

Goku: Dad?

Bardock (in a thick hispanica accent): Get back before I cut you, you culo!

Goku: Hey, you're not my dad, just a thinly veiled sterotype!

Bardock: I bet you bleed good, boy!

Goku: Oh nos!!!111

I can't see things going down like that at all. Especially since Bardock has never been to the Americas. But, you know, Goku became a putz at the end of the show, a real deadbeat dad only interested in fighting, even thought he was the MOST POWERFUL BEING IN THE UNIVERSE. Goku, you're such a stooge. ^_^

--EG

Alias · Post by **Alias** » Sat May 15, 2004 2:39 am

Dai wrote:Bardock is in no way a deep, well worked out character. The point of the entire Bardock special was to show him evolving from a bad person with no morals, to a good man with regrets, and bladibladibla. Typical formula..... Not to say I didn't enjoy it.

When did he become a good man with regrets? The entire thing was about his struggle against a future he didn't have the power to change. I don't recall him having any revelations about the sins of his deeds. When he died, he died with a smile because he knew that Goku would defeat Freeza, not because he had calmed 'the evil in his spirit' or some other such tripe. Sure, he may have had the potential to become a good person, if Vegeta can change then anyone can, but he had no such chance or situation.

You must've seen the english version, which totally changed his personality.

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Sat May 15, 2004 8:30 am

I was going to write the same thing Alias just put. The dub does indeed change Bardock into a guilt-ridden, altruistic hero, but as Alias said, that's not the real version. He could care less about all the other races he helped wipe out, he just cared about saving his people and planet and making Freeza pay.

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Sat May 15, 2004 8:38 am

I like dub Bardock, much better IMO. Otherwise he's just another Vegeta.

Sun_Wukong · Post by **Sun_Wukong** » Sat May 15, 2004 3:48 pm

Yeah, the dub's Bardock was an emotional wreck. He seemed like he was going to have a nervous break down any minute.

Anyway. if they met mabey it would be like Goku's reaction to Freeza saying he reminded him of Bardock

Goku(dub): I don't care!

Ben Plante · Post by **Ben Plante** » Sat May 15, 2004 3:52 pm

Goku's not the sharpest knife in the drawer, and can picture that meeting.

Bardock: Son!
Goku: Yeah?
Bardock: You remember me!
Goku: ... No, you just called me by my surname.
Bardock: Kakarrot, you don't have a surname!
Goku: What'd you call me? A Cockerot!? KA... ME...
Bardock: Son, please! Listen! Freeza never told you what happened to your father!
Goku: He told me enough. You killed him.
Bardock: ... What? That doesn't make any sense in this context.

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